The Greyhound-Data Forum has been created to act as a platform for greyhound enthusiasts to share information on this magnificent animal called a greyhound.
Greyhound-Data reserve the right to remove any post that is off topic, advertisements or opinions they consider to be offensive.
If you answer then please try to stay on topic. It's absolutely okay to answer in a broader scope but don't hijack posts by switching to something off topic.
In case you see an insulting post: DO NOT REPLY TO IT!
Use the report button to inform the moderators so that we can delete it.
In choosing a stud dog, it always makes sense to look at his offspring. Using GD, we can do this using the "Offspring" and "Top Offspring" links for each dog. However, if one looks at this closely, you will see that many dogs have top offspring, but which are obviously not top rated. For example, many dogs have top offspring with GD ratings of just 44 or less (or not much more). I am not sure how a dog becomes a member of the "Top Offspring" cohot of his/her sire, but it appears to be flawed to me. The important point here is that when looking at potential stud dogs to use,do not confuse "Top Offspring" with "Top Rated" as they are clearly different in this case
Chris Houlding United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 929 Dogs 10 / Races 3 30 Sep 2014 15:43
(0)
(0)
This site is not up to date, so you have to do your own homework when making assessments of stud dogs, or indeed race dogs, by looking for up to date info on the IGB site. How so called top offspring can have been awarded 'points'when they are sometimes quite clearly average graders is ridiculous. Where the site is still very good is enabling testmatings to be created and viewed at the click of a mouse. Unfortunately until the race results are automatically updated again the rest of the info is unreliable and can only be taken as a very rough guide.
I use the site all of the time and I agree that it offers much to greyhound enthusiasts. The site is not up to date, and I understand why there are lags. However, not being up to date has noting to do with average dogs being deemed "top offspring". They may well become "top dogs", but average dogs are assigned the title of "top offspring" which is clearly misleading. There should be a minimum criteria for promotion to "Top Offspring", say for example 3 runs with a GD rating of 100 or more. This is just a suggestion as there are potentially an infinite amount of ways to assign such dogs
I should also state that I am involved with dogs that are rated "Top Offspring" but are very average dogs.
Chris Houlding United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 929 Dogs 10 / Races 3 30 Sep 2014 16:03
(0)
(0)
I understand what you are saying and it works the other way as well with dogs who are Open Class not appearing on the top offspring because they haven't been awarded any points. An example would be for the stud dog Archaton Pine. Town Clock has been AO and has done 28.62 at Shelbourne but has no 'points' and therefore doesn't feature or contribute to the figures of Archaton Pine. Derryhogan Blue, a current A4 grader, had 2 points awarded for coming second in an A6 at Monmore so is classed as the 26th best offspring of Archaton Pine. Completely crazy situation but has been like this for ages. I must also state that I have no connection with any of the dogs mentioned and picked them entirely at random to make my case.
I totally agree. It is a ridiculous situation. Also, while rating the best dogs from a certain stud dog is in part subjective, there are many instances in which top dogs, derby winners, are rated much lower than dogs that many of us would agree were inferior (yet still very good dogs that I would love to have myself).
Chris Houlding United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 929 Dogs 10 / Races 3 30 Sep 2014 19:49
(0)
(0)
Came across another dog Japs Dilemma Tullymurry Act x Beaming Olive who did 28.42 end of Aug at Shelbourne and has had 2 races but as far as I can see doesn't even exist on Data. If I was going to use Tullymurry Act (which I am thinking of doing) this is the sort of info re top offspring that I want to know about.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 19 Oct 2018 08:33
(0)
(0)
Looking at stud dogs and clicking "top second offspring" you get his second offspring on his female line eg his daughters offspring,Is there a way of doing the same with his sons offspring without having to do individually? Cheers
Kevin Lindsay United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1420 Dogs 10 / Races 7 19 Oct 2018 15:24
(0)
(0)
Thomas O'Connor wrote:
Chris,
I use the site all of the time and I agree that it offers much to greyhound enthusiasts. The site is not up to date, and I understand why there are lags. However, not being up to date has noting to do with average dogs being deemed "top offspring". They may well become "top dogs", but average dogs are assigned the title of "top offspring" which is clearly misleading. There should be a minimum criteria for promotion to "Top Offspring", say for example 3 runs with a GD rating of 100 or more. This is just a suggestion as there are potentially an infinite amount of ways to assign such dogs
Totally agree with this. There must be a better way of defining Top Offspring. The idea of using 3 runs with a GD rating of 100 or more is a good one - providing the Sheffield ratings are either not counted or recalibrated.
Malcolm Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 12802 Dogs 19 / Races 34 22 Oct 2018 09:30
(1)
(1)
its flawed, I have a dog won 3 at wentworth park , not rated, but his brother who won Taree, Kempsey, muswellbrook and gunadah is rated in there...
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 15 Nov 2018 08:00
(0)
(0)
Simon Milgate wrote:
Looking at stud dogs and clicking "top second offspring" you get his second offspring on his female line eg his daughters offspring,Is there a way of doing the same with his sons offspring without having to do individually? Cheers
Is this a possibility? Question for site admins don't know how hard it would be to do.Thanks
Rod Hampton Australia Posts 1627 Dogs 2993 / Races 11820 15 Nov 2018 10:12
(0)
(0)
The basic problem is GD don't have the money to update their software
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5918 Dogs 12958 / Races 40209 15 Nov 2018 20:06
(7)
(0)
Hi Rod, you were correct but due to the support of our members this has now changed.
Greyhound-Data was built in an old version of php and this creates a lot of problems when we try to do anything as the site falls over. We have pumped a lot of funds into keeping it running and there has been many I.T. people who have tried to fix a lot of the issues and yes we have now a website that stays online and doesn't crash anywhere near as often as it did. We have been advised that if we just update the website it will go offline and probably will stay offline. Another big issue we have had is that several companies we have employed to build a test area have not been able to deliver the goods. They tells us it is due to all the hidden calculations and the way it has been programmed i.e. things just added on as needed without a back end or a 3 tier structure.
The good news is we have now found a specialist in php who we have employed from the 1st January 2019 on an 18 month contract who will be able to set up a test area and update the website step by step. He will also attack all the improvements our members as well as myself have been wanting for years. It should also be noted that without the help of team member Chris Molnar and his guidance in what should be done the website would not be here.
My apologies if what I have said is not technically correct as I am not a programmer and have just stated what I had been told.
I would like to thank all our members for their patience and for their support which has helped us reach this point.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 23 Dec 2021 08:34
(0)
(0)
Seasons greetings to all on GData and thanks for another year, is it possible to get dogs listed on rating rather than alphabetical order when clicking on top offspring/land? Thanks and wishing everyone a safe and happy festive season.
Do you have questions how to use the Greyhound-Data website?
