semen from classic producers right down to the unproven sires ,
prices sometimes well below , the sires advertised price ,

does all this mean people who had purchased this semen with the intention of breeding ,

have now just given up ? uncertainly does nothing for confidence thats for sure,

we have cut numbers by 50% until such times as we see some direction , i know in the big picture that means nothing ,,

It's like a GFC for the Australian Greyhound Industry

Consumer confidence is at an all time low. I'm expecting a rebound in the second half of 2015 but perhaps not in Qld depending on Logan.

As I have mentioned before I believe the most concerning issue for breeders is finding the right rearer who can do whats needed (with possibly price increases) and then finding a breaker who has the time/resources to give you dog the best chance

Still love the doggies just feel that it's a losing battle.

Thankyou to all the commies at ABC you unrepresentative swill.

Exactly.

Those that bought up big during the gfc are laughing now in the current boom, Doubt wheeler will be slowing down....

Grrrreeeatttttt .... just when we "enjoyed" a decent 6 months or so (after 3 - 4 years of "hard labour" with moving dogs at anything like reasonable prices), NOW we cop this latest debacle.

The market was already appearing somewhat "oversupplied", with as many as 136 "litters" (that I saw advertised) for sale here on Data in Australia alone. That was up near historical highs. There's 122 currently .... still comparatively on the high side.

I tipped 4 weeks ago that prices in many areas will come back 20 - 30% in the majority of (puppy) stock; and also, it will probably take longer to sell the ones you offer up for sale ... Hardly the climate a breeder who wants / needs to look to sell a few would want to be breeding with.

I am tipping breeding numbers will be decimated in this next 12 months. Hopefully reduced supply might help restore a more "normal" market, which is what I think Robert was suggesting in his earlier post.

Do you keep most of the pups you breed, Hellen?

can see the Bendigo concept being the way of the future, cutting out all the risk that is involved with rearing side of thing, and wait and see! little hobby breeder being thing of the past, let's face it with the cost of getting pups on the ground isn't cheap and risk of breeding and selling to cover cost isn't guaranteed for average punter, don't think people are prepared to take the risk like they have in the past jmo

I'll be still breeding my couple of litters each year & I may even pick up the collar & lead again.

We'll get over this speed bump & our sport will be big & better.

Mick......If the owners of those FS vial were serious about selling them, they'd be half price.

As of today's date, IMO there's no bargains to snapped up. Just a few rare sires at top dollar.

Hellen, I've been in dogs for 24 years. Started out by buying a Magic Gull puppy at a Capalaba Gymkhana where I was calling. A month or two later, I took a giveaway bitch called Bankette; she'd won 1 from 17 or thereabouts at the time. I ended up winning 5 with her over 630-732m, including a trophy race. She won her last ever race, but did a toe. She was 4 and a bit then, & she retired home with my family until she passed away at 10.

I got into breeding about 7 years ago; and have had some handy dogs come from our breeding efforts, including a couple of Group 1 finalists, a Group runner-up, a Track Record holder, and a Greyhound of the Year.

I generally keep 2 a litter, and look to sell anything above that.

I've seen good, average, and downright aweful selling conditions; and with most of my litters being bred out of Qld, we're at somewhat of a disadvantage compared to Vic & Nsw breeders (as that's where a majority of sales tend to come out of).

We were looking to scale back a lot this year anyway, due to some family issues with our eldest son; this latest 'kick in the guts' for the industry might mean more drastic action. I foresee major issues attracting new owners for the immediate future, and a few who recently came on board taking an interest in pups have expressed their reservations (one is a prominent sports journalist up here, & he'd wanted to get his fiance into one). Suffice to say that's well and truly being "reconsidered"; and frankly I can't entirely blame them for having doubts.

I genuinely feel we'll bounce back as an industry, but that'll take time. Whether it's months or years I'm not sure; but I do think our administration's actions NOW and how they decide to portray the sport - and its many INNOCENT, DECENT participants - will have a long-lasting effect, one way or another. That's one of the main reasons I've chosen to be so vocal about my experience as someone who's indirectly been brought into this saga ... albeit that I'm DIRECTLY being affected / penalised.

I do understand everyone in the industry is "copping it", due to public scorn & ridicule; reactive rule changes, and a general "pall" that's currently hanging over the lot of us. But owners like myself up here are 'suffering' quite differently.

In my own example, I've had over 30 dogs seized (MOST without legitimate reason; and we've been arguing that it was also done WITHOUT valid legal / legislative reason). Pups from 6 months of age; pregnant and other broods, heck they even snatched a 9yo pet and a stud dog!

The race dogs on the list have now been effectively out of work for a month, THEN some bright spark in the Deagon ivory towers comes up with the idea that forcing all of them to mandatorily do THREE Steward's trials before they can be nommed again.

Then I find out late today that 2 of the bitches we believed were pregnant when they were removed are now NOT pregnant. One's a 12 month bitch. So you could say we're none too pleased. Do I try to pursue damages and try to 'prove' RQ's actions could have caused the problems with those 2?

Then there's the 10 or so dogs that RQ claim are partly-owned with one of the currently disqualified former Trainers. There's talk those dogs (7 of them only being around 7-8 months of age; and 2 barely 13 months old) may NEVER be permitted to race. Who knows if any of the bitches will ever be permitted to be bred with? Quite possibly, going on recent 'form', I'm certainly worried that unless the disqualified person is successful in their appeals against the baiting charge, then there's at least some chance they'll not be allowed to be transferred to me or others. If so, that's another five figure sum kissed goodbye.

I'm not suggesting others aren't being inconvenienced, but I reckon I can confidently say there's not many out there going through what we are!

It's just "lucky" I'm an optimist ...