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IF.... this rule comes in, of course the rehoming centres will be regulated. Otherwise what's the point, every big owner will just register 2 rehoming centres and say 'nah, sorry they were both full'
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 29 Apr 2016 21:46
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These are the topics that need mass input not which flavour of the month sire should I take my bitch to this time. Answer s must be found. Stop complaining it's only wasting time.
What about keeping a record of those that bred pups and how many of them do not reach the track or win a race. Some people wouldn't look so good or as good as they want people to believe, doesnt the word accountability mean anything anymore? I thought that is somthing we taught our kids.
Troy Scott Australia (Verified User) Posts 1573 Dogs 19 / Races 36 29 Apr 2016 23:19
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John McAlister wrote:
Troy talk about the pot calling the kettle black Christ almighty you better read what I wrote I said if I had an option I would prefer the 2nd one to me it's my opinion.Tell me when did you turn over your new leaf if I remember rightly you had a litter at 1 stage that weren't up to scratch by BDC what did you do with them when they were at the end of their days I suppose you were turned by then and you found a new home for all of them.It was only last week where it was stated that since the Gaps inception they have found 6k homes for the greyhounds well what about all the other dogs in that period that never found homes.Like let's get fair dinkum here Troy Boy it's people like you that are the cause of this mess breeding with inferior bitches that couldn't run out of sight on a dark night if they wanted I get sick of people like you that think they have some standing in the game and that know everything there is to know about what is going on.If I am entitled to put my Blue GHeeler down then I should also be entitled to have my greyhound put down and the right place to have it done is thru the Council.The owners of other racing animals from the other 2 codes are free to do that with no kickback with getting them cleared by vets.You have always had a problem with me when it comes to these types of matters but writing on here telling people that I am bad for the Industry is about your go how about you Troy are you good for the Industry how is your Union going maybe this is where your lot should chip in and do a bit anyone can sit on these media shuffle and make themselves out holier than thou but don't put others down and don't go telling me what this and other racing games are about I think I know a sight more than you will ever know there sport and as far as Animal Husbandry and Welfare goes you and your like would finish a very poor second in them stakes
Troy boy???... really mature John... you just confirmed why you need to leave the sport, your time has expired.
And actually yes I rehomed the two I owned, thanks for asking.
And I don't have a Union, again you're age is getting the better of you.
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Troy Scott Australia (Verified User) Posts 1573 Dogs 19 / Races 36 29 Apr 2016 23:52
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And John I don't have a problem with you, I don't know you, and I have little time these days to be arguing on any social media platforms, I totally understand that you're from a different era, but what you wrote is typical of how we are seen by outsiders, my point was clear, putting down healthy dogs, especially shooting them is disgusting, our industry MUST modernize or it'll be gone within 5-10 years.
We have many areas to improve on, and this is only one of them, our rehoming rate is deplorable, too many lazy owners that take the easy option, and so many don't want to pay a couple of hundred to put them through GAP.
I have NEVER PTS a healthy dog, and never will, it's just not right. Maybe I've been lucky all these years, or maybe it's because I'm happy to keep retired dogs until I find a home. But at the same time I understand that not everyone has the space to do what I do, and that not all dogs are suited as a pets, but our industry MUST be seen to making genuine efforts to find a home for the dogs we're happy to make money off, but will ditch them as soon as they become too much of a cost, that's how we're perceived, we need to change that ASAP.
And don't compare to other breeds or animal sports, this is about greyhound racing, the spotlight is on us and we must evolve into a more sustainable industry, and we must pull ourselves into this decade, in fact we should be looking ahead to the next decade... I could rattle off many stats like the RSPCA kill 26% of dogs, 60,000 cattle dogs are killed each year blah blah blah, but this is about our industry.
This forum is way too small to discuss all the elements that need addressing, along with suggestions to solve each problem, but a quick fix for our "kill rate" is simple, put the onus on the owners, and don't PTS dogs at tracks unless it's clear the dog can't be saved and the humane option is the kindest.
I think it's pretty easy to both want many more greyhounds rehomed and be strongly opposed to these specific regulations. Greyhounds have an economic value beyond racing, their blood is a valuable product for instance, and rehoming centres will have their own financial pressures that are obscure to most, but would hardly appreciate GRNSW taking over their turf. If anything it reads as though GRNSW are lacking the courage and conviction to compete, rather than actually doing what's best for the greyhounds. That's why governing bodies that are successful take a hands-on approach to rehoming, either doing it themselves or taking on much administration and regulation, rather than ask people to fill in a form and hope for the best.
I agree with you Scott put the responsibility of dog ownership on the owner. Like I said accountability.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Apr 2016 01:06
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My earlier comment was probably not worded very well, of course I would like to see all greyhounds with a home on retirement. My issue is with the inequity of the situation. Greyhounds are being held to much higher standards than any other industry. When looked at in context or comparison the greyhound industry is being regulated out of existence. I want all dogs humanely treated but I am realistic in the knowledge a greyhound is Bred first and foremost as racing stock, then if they can be found homes on retirement then all the better but don't loose sight that this is a racing industry not a pet producing industry.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Apr 2016 01:18
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Maybe it's time to bring rules in that starts with the breeder for it's the breeder that is the original owner maybe it's time for any prospective buyer to be notified by GRNSW of their duties and responsibilities of owning a racing dog and then their obligations of the after race life
It is blatant discrimination,greyhound administrators are now captives of the animal liberation lobby,there are NO state restrictions on the working dog or pet breeders or owners,and until there is, we need our representatives to stand up to these dictators.
but don't loose sight that this is a racing industry not a pet producing industry.
Jack
That's the crux of the welfare argument
Greyhounds 'shouldn't' be bred to be racing livestock, they 'should' be bred to be pets, like all other dogs
And then there are Working Dogs LOL
Where does the Greyhound sit in the spectrum?
Are they Racing Livestock or are they Working Dogs or are they pets or are they a bit of both?
It seems that they really can't decide, so our people are seemingly creating a standard or a category that relates solely to Greyhounds.
The Greyhound that is bred under the regulations of THE GREYHOUND RACING INDUSTRY is bred solely for the purpose of RACING and for the BREEDING ON of such. If the Greyhound is not considered suitable for EITHER aspect then hard decisions have to be made -- If somebody wishes to BREED PETS then there are other forms of BREEDING INDUSTRY,S that may be suitable for them.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Apr 2016 03:04
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mick mellington wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
but don't loose sight that this is a racing industry not a pet producing industry.
Jack
That's the crux of the welfare argument
Greyhounds 'shouldn't' be bred to be racing livestock, they 'should' be bred to be pets, like all other dogs
And then there are Working Dogs LOL
Where does the Greyhound sit in the spectrum?
Are they Racing Livestock or are they Working Dogs or are they pets or are they a bit of both?
It seems that they really can't decide, so our people are seemingly creating a standard or a category that relates solely to Greyhounds.
The Greyhound that is bred under the regulations of THE GREYHOUND RACING INDUSTRY is bred solely for the purpose of RACING and for the BREEDING ON of such. If the Greyhound is not considered suitable for EITHER aspect then hard decisions have to be made -- If somebody wishes to BREED PETS then there are other forms of BREEDING INDUSTRY,S that may be suitable for them.
Mick - I think you nailed the wording there. Only change I'd make would be. If the greyhound is not considered suitable for racing or breeding then all reasonable efforts will be made to rehome the dog.
The problem I see Mick is that hard decisions aren't made but the easy out is. A hard decision is made when all other avenues are explored. This doesn't mean call GAP they say no then you ring the vet or in a lot of cases just say 'it's no good' then ring the vet. I ask this simple question: How many so called great breeders have a strike rate above the exceptable levels to not call there dogs wastage? PW has a great strike rate per pups born so he's not a escaped goat. I mean people like ones I see pumped up on places like GData? I know one guy who told me 'it's a numbers game' keep breeding numbers lol. I see people on here kissin' his well uno. These people aren't helping and then there over all strike rates are very poor but get a good one and there the guru of breeding.
The Racing Industry { all codes } is a very tough thing to be involved in. You get " Glory Boys " those that believe " In Fairy,s " plus " W-----S " and you have those that have done the " Hard Yards ". If you can,t handle " Tough Decisions " just get out. The " New Era " of Administration that know " F---K ALL " about what is required will find out in the coming period of time.-- It is " THEIR JOBS " that are on the line and unless they retract some of their " HARD LINE " { Artificial Regime in particular } decisions, they can start looking for another job.
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 30 Apr 2016 08:17
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For my part, I would like to see us on a similar playing field to the Thoroughbreds and Standardbred Codes. I wouldn't mind so much if both of those Codes were held to similar draconian standards but that's the rub with me. We are being held to higher standards than them despite the knowledge that they cull similar numbers to those in this Industry.
As for my personal circumstance, I hate putting them to sleep but I also realise that you can't keep them all. I have 2 old dogs, one just starting her career and one in the wings. There's no way I'm going to be able to keep 4 dogs and we all know how hard it is to find them a suitable home. So at some point, 1 mayhave to go and I will not put them in the hands of someone whose character I don't know.
Just as a matter of interest, what happens to a dog owned by a Syndicate?
Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 30 Apr 2016 09:12
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Joe Baldacchino wrote:
For my part, I would like to see us on a similar playing field to the Thoroughbreds and Standardbred Codes. I wouldn't mind so much if both of those Codes were held to similar draconian standards but that's the rub with me. We are being held to higher standards than them despite the knowledge that they cull similar numbers to those in this Industry.
As for my personal circumstance, I hate putting them to sleep but I also realise that you can't keep them all. I have 2 old dogs, one just starting her career and one in the wings. There's no way I'm going to be able to keep 4 dogs and we all know how hard it is to find them a suitable home. So at some point, 1 mayhave to go and I will not put them in the hands of someone whose character I don't know.
Just as a matter of interest, what happens to a dog owned by a Syndicate?
Hi Joe. 100% agree. Why is the Greyhound held to higher standards than society in general? Whose holding to account the puppy farmers and backyard domestic breeders? We all know many more domestic animals are "disposed" of than Greyhounds. Smacks of hypocrisy in my opinion.
Because sheep dogs and domestic pets cant win $400k in 29 seconds.
Richard Gray Australia (Verified User) Posts 2231 Dogs 11 / Races 9 30 Apr 2016 11:00
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I am only a little fish in a big pond, but feel compelled to throw in my two bobs worth (for what it is worth) (Firstly) I sat here today reading a thread on a popular greyhound Face-Book page about a woman whom has chosen to breed a litter of greyhounds from two give away retired racers advertised on GUMTREE. She was giving away a litter of greyhound pups (at cost), of which the sire and dam were saved from death. She is an ANTI Yet how can an ANTI expect us in the industry, to find homes for our retired racers, when they home them, and then decide to breed with them and then put them on the market as greyhound puppy pets? (Which could never be registered as racers) Knowing that this may upset a few big fish in the game, I will get to my point If I breed ONE litter per year, of say, 7-9 pups,,,,, over the next 3-4 years, I would be confident that I could find a home for them in retirement (including the next 7-9 the following year) If I were to breed, say, 10-20 litters per year (or more) of 7-9 pups. Then here is an issue that would raise its head! I would struggle to find homes for 70 180 dogs per year and this is when the PTS situation is inevitable. WELFAIR is the current biggest issue in the game which is our (the stakeholders) biggest threat. If you choose to breed 70 180 dogs a year and NOT show a clear attempt to re-home them or at least a good % of re-homing.. Then YOU should be taxed.. Sadly, the little bloke is the one that is forced out of the game in this current environment, even though it is the little bloke whom is in a position to increase re-homing I would be interested to see the stats from GAP on just WHERE the dogs they have re-homed have come from The commercial or hobby breeder %? I have a feeling I already know the answer Take away the hobby trainer and welfare will only become worse.
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