No offense taken Jamie.
All of us in NSW appreciate the support we have received since July and intend to reciprocate if the need arises for our interstate colleagues.
Kevin, I'm not trying to cause friction as some of the points you raise are on the money. My only concern is that you are advising what our game plan should be in NSW and SA and that the 80% should divide from the 20% but you have not told us if you are driving this approach in your own state and what the outcome has been thus far. Are you getting support, what are the obstacles you are encountering, is GRV supportive of this approach?
We can only learn from the feedback you give us so we can all head in the same direction.

Yes we want to roll this out AUSTRALIA wide .

Yes we have Ambassadors a Director and the Committee that will be elect by the people for the people and they will have each there own SUB Committees.

We have a full Constitution prepared .

Yes we will be a Federal .

Now about support ..

The GRV along with every STATE control Boards and all Entities currently in place will replaced as we see it today ..

NO we have no other support and NO we have not got any of the present people on board and many will not know the new Director or the Committee because we will elect this from our own Members and we will be not working with any other Groups or Club Committees because we will form our OWN
This will be the Club for us the 80% ...

I don't need praise or support but i do need people to take this on and direct OUR FUTURE not the FUTURE of the COMMERCIAL operations and i truly want to rid the INDUSTRY of the PRO'S ...

The COMMERCIAL PLAYER has no place in our Future so why do people still feel the need to blow smoke up where the sun don't shines still baffles me ..

They are all making their game plays as we speak and trust me they do not and they will not support the 80% Club and we don't want them and we don't need them to make our sport once again PROSPER and GROW ..

I want you guys to get pissed and i want to see you GUYS take this on and run with it ..

I am truly not the person who will be representing this Group and i will play no role on any Board or Committee but i will help the Sub Committees in what they need out there and we have very TROUBLING TIMES AHEAD if we don't act now ...

If any 80% Club Member would like a copy of the Constitution then feel free to message me .

If any person has some IDEA'S who would like to take on a role or help in some way then I suggest getting the smartest people you know and getting them on Board as well to represent us .

We have some the of the smartest minds in our Industry and we must ensure we get these people into powers of position and we must be 100% transparent all the way ..

I see many are now starting to speak out on Social Media and that is what we all now need to do and create DEBATE CONJECTURE ....

Put it out to people you speak with at the track and ask them to come on board and join not only a Group but a Revolution in the way the GREYHOUND INDUSTRY WILL BE RAN IN THE FUTURE ..

If we let things roll along then within 12 months to 2 years 3 years you will see a huge swing around and the USA model is what they will use

Make no mistake about it.... it will HAPPEN and all those people sitting at the top who have sat there for a very very very long time must now step aside and let the people take back something that WAS ALWAYS OURS TO START WITH ..

COMMERCIALISATION HAS NO PLACE IN OUR FUTURE....

CUT out the wastage and stop people controlling and ruling over our sport OUR HOBBY ..

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TONY friction is great and there is no need to apologize for debating me Mate and at times we can all take some words and put our own interpretation on it...

I just want you and the people you know to understand the situation now ..before we lose it to these major players ..

If you or anyone knows of smart business people who would like to part of a new Federally recognized Greyhound group and the NAME IS NOT THE 80% CLUB ...thats just my spin on it ..

Have i upset many people and i say i have released the cat amongst the pigeons for a very very simple reason ..

I CARE about my fellow small time Owner Trainer Breeder the guts of us all and today the major players and the PTB are working together on many things for the future and we must stop it..

Love it or hate it ....Lets first see if we can gather large NUMBERS and i feel this could keep people informed and up to date with everything ....

We can achieve Great things if we all TRY and WORK together and i can throw away past hates to welcome anyone who wants to be part of something that could be bigger than we have seen before but we all MUST TALK and encourage others to understand we are GREYHOUND and the people who support us are the 80% CLUB

No Government or Control Board CAN SILENCE US ..

We are the INDUSTRY so lets try to take it back and lets start with the SILENT ones the people who have been keeped in the DARK and the LIES that have so far been told tell us all that when you smell a RAT they is always a RAT .,.

You may want to start a topic just for the 80% club.
Can you give us a little more information regarding the structure.
Who are the representatives for NSW? How do we get on board?

You along with others have Read my stuff and you have Read Charlie's ..

Lets all remember it was Charlie who was attacked for trying to help and it was by himself that the alliance listened after many weeks and emails and that's is the root of the problem right there and it's slapping you all in the face ..

The SAME people remember who are running things today are the same people we have been STEERING THE SHIP for years so if you all want to FOLLOW LIKE SHEEP THESE PEOPLE again THEN GO FOR IT i don't mind or care and you will see in time what i say is TRUE...

Commercial breeders must be SEPARATED into their own INDUSTRY and they can be accountable for all of their waste THEMSELVES WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM US ....

We Do not need GAP in any State and we have many Groups and organisations who need support and at present all that the PTB are offering to these groups is a GREEN COLOR for free ..

No Vet fee's no food costs just a Green Collar with a PASS on a bit of paper and many of these GROUPS SPEND MONTHS trying to help Greyhound adjust to normal life and they go well over and above in many instances and today we are all about ANIMAL WELFARE but the PTB do not SUPPORT the GROUPS who do the hard work ...

All of these GROUPS have a no kill POLICY REGARDLESS ......

lETS NOW LOOK AT THE RECORD OF GAP and Question why they have such HIGH kill rates and where do the dogs that Fail GAP go after they die ..

Are they DRAINED OF BLOOD and resold to the many VETS around Australia and do those Greyhounds go as MEDICAL research for Schools for Teaching

REMEMBER 100% TRANSPARENCY MUST APPLY ACROSS THE WHOLE BOARD ...

This applies to GAP.....as well

Don't every Group that helps rehome our wastage deserve some financial support and these groups are now trying to work with GAP but GAP now are running their own agenda's direct by the PTB and this also has to change ...

REMEMBER always ... we must have 100% TRANSPARENCY

You know what the problem is in this industry (and the country in general)?

Envy......aka tall poppy syndrome!

People see other people having success and decide that those people must have achieved their success at the expense of someone else. The insinuation being that no-one can rightfully earn that success without cheating somehow......without breaking the rules.
It's the classic class warfare mantra of the loser!

At a time when the industry (ALL OF THE INDUSTRY) should be uniting.....here come the calls to specifically divide the industry. To separate it into "us versus them".

I have no problem expecting that ALL participants abide by the same rules and follow the same standards and code of conduct, but as soon as you start talking about shutting people out or closing them down.....then you have crossed the line into fascism and you have lost me!

This is a FREE country (for the moment anyway), and I will be damned if I will ever try to shut down people or businesses that I don't like or that I may disagree with!

I'll leave that to the Greens and the ANTI's.

Why is it, that our assets are being sold off to the highest bidder for those businesses to make a massive profit in due time, when the Gov't should be holding onto them and re-directing those profits to other areas. Why is it that the Big End of Town doesn't appear to be paying their fare share of taxes ?
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Life is not fair, but it should be competitive.

You took your bat and ball and walked away from the Industry Mark ..or am i mistaken ...

You make your assumptions based on what ..

You make excuses for the Breeders that over breed to satisfy there hunger for more and we reward it .....

Today we have the eXact same people in power that drove us to this BATTLE .
WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TO LATE ...

We either DIVIDE from the COMMERCIAL operations and let them do there own thing or we FACE TOTAL CONTROL ....

Who owns all of the GROUP BITCHES AND city winning Bitches so then tell me MARK what right should they take over your DAMLINE that you have had for many years and just because the bitch did not race does not disqualify her as a breeding FEMALE ..

Who has the right to say O buddy your DAMLINE is no good to breed from because your Damline did not produce a City winner in it's last breeding cycle and who cares how slow they are because in the future SPEED will not determine the life cycle of any future Greyhound that are presently in our INDUSTRY ....

If we allow CLASS to be the determining factor if you can breed or not then OUR INDUSTRY WILL BE STUFFED in 5 years time because the select FEW will have all of the rights and power to just keep on BREEDING ....

Check out the GAPS in every STATE and find out the names of the dogs on the list and then tell me i am full of sh1t ....

Why should we clean up other peoples mess when they have been allowed to take as much as they can from our Industry and now they clog up many GAPs in every state ....

Tracks that are facing Closure in NSW should be Strengthened in force and you all need to keep the track and facilities viable and things will swing back around for us all but we must Educate and show the General Public that we want change and we want 100% full TRANSPARENCY at all times ....

Regardless we must first protect those assets that are Owned and we need to ensure every Track stays open for business as i said even for other Canine events and this can be achieved and we can then start to rebuild from within with US the MEMBERS the 80% Club running things ...

All what i have said is part of Something BIGGER and you either join on up or you sit and battle the same wars with the same people and this MUST CHANGE we need Pull down before we can truly move on and this is something both Government and the Anti's and the General Population need and expect us to do or we will be in the exact same position in 12 months time ..

WE MUST EVOLVE .....or we Die it's not up to me it's up to you so you Either want real CHANGE or you sit back Hoping things will be ok ....and if we do not act then I can walk away saying i tried so thats it we either do this or we WAIT not knowing who or what is next ...

I am standing on the soap box for one simple reason ....

I love Greyhounds ...and i love training one or two dogs regardless of ability and that feeling i get must be enjoyed for the future and everyone should experience Breeding Owning and Training a Greyhound and there is truly nothing more exiting to me then to watch and feel my dogs race regardless if it's tier3 or trial i still get that electric charge every time so until that spark deminisses i will fight hard for what i believe will be our Future.

All bull sh1t aside this is life and Death for many people so we fight and we fight hard and we EDUCATE and we EVOLVE into our next stage all Together as Equals AND WE MUST ALLOW NEW PEOPLE INTO OUR industry so they can make us prosper for all the right reasons...

Where did I make excuses for people that "over breed", as you charge??? Firstly, I specifically said that ALL participants should operate under the same set of rules and codes. Secondly, what is your definition of "over breeding"?
See, I don't give a flying jump if someone wants to breed 1 litter or 100. If their animal husbandry practices mean that the majority of those dogs will make it to the track and the remaining dogs are adequately looked after.....then good luck to them.

I do still have an interest in the sport FWIW. That includes some broodies and pups on the ground. I fail to see what relevance that has to any of my points? Maybe try to present your arguments without needing to use ad hominem attacks?

I have NEVER supported a cap on breeding numbers and whilst I support SOME of the breeding restrictions put in place by GRV in Vic (particularly those which seek to limit breeding by perpetual failures who consistently breed dogs that don't make it to the track at all), they do NOT include some of the litter performance requirements which are grossly unrealistic. Personally, I have NEVER bred/reared a dog that didn't successfully break in. Some were too slow....but they were all able to race.
To me, the "over breeders" are the people that only get 1 or 2 dogs in a litter of 8 to the track and "dispose" of the rest. That is possibly some "commercial" breeders (though they wouldn't be very successful commercially would they?)....but mostly it is the small, backyard breeders that try to breed from under performed bitches (when there are SO MANY proven or well performed bitches available).....to no-name sires.....cutting corners/costs for rearing etc, etc.......and then complain that it is the commercial breeders and big trainers that "own all the Group bitches".
Just more of that envy and blaming others for their own lack of success.

As for GAP, I can only speak for the Victorian GAP which has taken all of my suitable retired dogs.
Last time I checked, they only accept Vic bred dogs.....but other than that, anyone can take a dog there to be assessed and if successful, the dog is accepted into the program. The longest I have ever had to wait was 3 months for a vacancy to get a dog in (if an owner can't afford to feed and house a dog for that long, then perhaps they shouldn't be in this industry). There was dogs from a broad spectrum of owners/breeders there....from the big boys to the little guys. Would you prefer that big breeders just take their dogs to the vet instead? Or, would you prefer to just shut them out of the industry altogether? One minute people are bitching that big breeders are responsible for all the wastage (despite their far better strike rates getting pups to the track)....but then complaining that they are re-homing them????
Even when they are doing the right thing it seems you aren't happy.

You keep ranting about who's in "control" and how I should wake up.
I'm pretty sure I have specifically, and on numerous occasions attacked the people that have sold this industry short....that have capitulated and appeased....that undermine us from within....that make ridiculous and unfair rules.....so what do I need to wake up to exactly?

Our "representatives" have largely thrown us under the bus, but I fail to see how commercial breeders are responsible for that? I blame the feckless "leaders" that made the crappy decisions and support those that have stood up for the industry (the whole industry). I don't care how many dogs someone has or how much money they do or don't make.
I don't support people with narrow self-interests and personal agendas.

You better sit down and watch the movie the castle mate

So goodbye to the kids that take a family trip out to NAN and POPS in the bush each school holidays to run and play with the litter they may breed once a year,the kids from the City just love it,as they grow older they may end up getting a dog or two JUST LIKE NAN AND POP had,if things keep going the way they are it wont be there for future generations,ALL people deserve a fair go no matter what And just for the record the big players ARE the ones creating ALL the wastage NOT NAN AND POP

This is just unacceptable imo.

If that is the case, you would at least put her into a PT when you have her ready

At least if she publicly runs a slashing time in an official trial before any misfortune, there may be some leeway to breed with such a bitch

Otherwise we are still being victimized unfairly and we shouldn't cop it. Its as simple as that if you ask me.

At the risk of repeatedly blowing my own trumpet (yeah ok, somewhat guilty of that) allow me to use my broodie as an example of why no-one should ever be given a position where they can say yay or nay to a broodie.

Rustic Reeta's fastest ever time at Horsham was 24.38 in a solo trial. She had 3 other solo trials at Horsham.

Her son Bear's Gold trialled 23.26
Her first litter have won 50 races and are not yet 28 months old.
4 of them have won in Victoria.

The ONLY person who should decide whether or not to breed with a bitch is the owner of the bitch. And anyone who sits on a panel and gets to judge who breeds and who doesn't breed, MUST have their credentials listed publicly. How many whelped, how many winners AND how many euthanized.
Right now, my stats are 100% winners 0% euthanized. Therefore I should be one of the first picked to be on the panel.