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Jim Meletios Australia (Verified User) Posts 592 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Dec 2016 08:52
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What is going on with the pups section for sale? Full of skunks, not up to owners standards ,too many dogs. They're not pups get rid of em . Here's one example
Nitro Burst x Hanify's Heroine show pedigree Date of birth Jan 2015 Price 0 Comment We have a dog un named as a giveaway, and also a bitch that has raced 2-3 times, owners looking for a trainer for her, was trialling 17.60 at Sale short, but got put into rail during a race, lacking a bit of confidence, needs one on one attention Contact Steven Trotman Address Australia , 3851 sale
Email contact now! And another Spring Gun x Chrystal's Jett show pedigree Date of birth March 2015 Price Giveaway Comment Un named. 20month old ,28kg black bitch. Great kennel dog. Good chaser. Can run, but plays up in boxes. Located central coast
Contact Luke Crawford Address Australia , Central coast nsw
Email contact now! (ad posted 26-Dec-16) May well be time for a giveaway section for those inclined.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 26 Dec 2016 09:08
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its high time the classifieds were a paid section ,,
i cant believe how some people rort a free add . and they do it day in day out ,,
the classifieds dont seem to be monitored any more , you can put what you like there ,, adds no prices etc
Hi Guys, The classifieds are monitored daily. Any named adult dogs found in the pups section will be removed and asked to re post in the dogs section, unfortunately there isn't much we can do if the dogs are unnamed. All ads with no prices are removed but there are no rules against giveaways.
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 26 Dec 2016 17:56
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your right jim even in the dogs for sale section there are more give aways than for sales. its starting to resemble a gap list not a classified section
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 26 Dec 2016 19:18
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Tissue anyone
Joe Mc Gorrey United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1292 Dogs 2 / Races 0 26 Dec 2016 20:54
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Dan Hollywood wrote:
Tissue anyone
lol
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 26 Dec 2016 21:29
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The core problem is not someone wanting to "give away" dogs but the Welfare rules implemented. When the slow dogs were exported there was a local market for the Country class dogs. Now you can't export a dog - you struggle to euthanize a dog - GAP is over run and by and large most trainers are not interested in Tier 3 Country class dogs. Hence people are simply trying to cut their losses and give dogs away to those hobby/owner trainers happy to race in the Country or Tier 3 - trouble is there is simple too many now and the market is flooded. This issue has only just begun to take shape.It is a reflection "again" of poor policy implementation - the problem was in the Industry 12 months ago.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 26 Dec 2016 21:44
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Jim Meletios wrote:
What is going on with the pups section for sale? Full of skunks, not up to owners standards ,too many dogs. They're not pups get rid of em . Here's one example
Nitro Burst x Hanify's Heroine show pedigree Date of birth Jan 2015 Price 0 Comment We have a dog un named as a giveaway, and also a bitch that has raced 2-3 times, owners looking for a trainer for her, was trialling 17.60 at Sale short, but got put into rail during a race, lacking a bit of confidence, needs one on one attention Contact Steven Trotman Address Australia , 3851 sale
Phone 0439373201 Email contact now! And another Spring Gun x Chrystal's Jett show pedigree Date of birth March 2015 Price Giveaway Comment Un named. 20month old ,28kg black bitch. Great kennel dog. Good chaser. Can run, but plays up in boxes. Located central coast
Contact Luke Crawford Address Australia , Central coast nsw
Phone 0407014166 Email contact now! (ad posted 26-Dec-16) May well be time for a giveaway section for those inclined.
Jim what's the problem with this???
woukd you prefer they just knock these dogs off??
W all can't have grp dogs in our kennels. I'm sure there are a few trainers that are prepared to give these dogs a go.
Good on the owner or trainers who try to give them away. Rather than to take the easy option of just putting them down.
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 26 Dec 2016 22:57
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in vic at least you arnt permitted to " put them down" you are required to take responsibility for the welfare of your dog and get it gap ready
Rob Wall Australia (Verified User) Posts 151 Dogs 6 / Races 0 26 Dec 2016 23:31
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alison what about named dogs in the private adds you let some go
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 27 Dec 2016 00:42
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hayden gilders wrote:
in vic at least you arnt permitted to " put them down" you are required to take responsibility for the welfare of your dog and get it gap ready
And GAP has a long waiting list, and even then they won't always take them. They may even suggest re-testing in a few months time.
It's not hard to see why people are now offering money for somebody to take their give-aways. $200 seems to be the going rate.
Strange that nobody quizzes the big breeders/owners as to the whereabouts of the hundreds (or thousands ) of their dogs when they finish racing each year ??
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 27 Dec 2016 02:32
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Regardless of who breeds, it affects all of us so careful what we say. By the way I'm not a breeder yet.Cheers
Gordon Herbert Australia (Verified User) Posts 480 Dogs 45 / Races 73 27 Dec 2016 02:54
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Darren Langley wrote:
Jim Meletios wrote:
What is going on with the pups section for sale? Full of skunks, not up to owners standards ,too many dogs. They're not pups get rid of em . Here's one example
Nitro Burst x Hanify's Heroine show pedigree Date of birth Jan 2015 Price 0 Comment We have a dog un named as a giveaway, and also a bitch that has raced 2-3 times, owners looking for a trainer for her, was trialling 17.60 at Sale short, but got put into rail during a race, lacking a bit of confidence, needs one on one attention Contact Steven Trotman Address Australia , 3851 sale
Phone 0439373201 Email contact now! And another Spring Gun x Chrystal's Jett show pedigree Date of birth March 2015 Price Giveaway Comment Un named. 20month old ,28kg black bitch. Great kennel dog. Good chaser. Can run, but plays up in boxes. Located central coast
Contact Luke Crawford Address Australia , Central coast nsw
Phone 0407014166 Email contact now! (ad posted 26-Dec-16) May well be time for a giveaway section for those inclined.
Jim what's the problem with this???
woukd you prefer they just knock these dogs off??
W all can't have grp dogs in our kennels. I'm sure there are a few trainers that are prepared to give these dogs a go.
Good on the owner or trainers who try to give them away. Rather than to take the easy option of just putting them down.
Well said Darren! My wife and I take the odd giveaway and have some fun with most of them. When they finish racing we adopt them out.
Andrew Varasdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 1287 Dogs 2 / Races 11 27 Dec 2016 03:31
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I think it is brilliant people can offer dogs through greyhound data free of charge.
There are so many people who race at various levels and every dog has the chance to find the right home and place through this service.
If you really want to be a stickler then maybe create a breakins and unraced dogs for sale section.
Persoanlly I give every dog who breaks in in 19.50 or over at mannings away and I use this service for that. Hope it never changes.
Michaele Alderdice Australia (Verified User) Posts 569 Dogs 0 / Races 1 27 Dec 2016 04:57
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I know that Spring gun bitch goes alright and will win races .
Luke Crawford Australia (Verified User) Posts 55 Dogs 6 / Races 3 27 Dec 2016 07:02
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I don't see the problem Jim. I'm giving the bitch away because I have too many good dogs coming through and can afford to be selective. She will win races just a bad box dog like the ad says. I'm not interested in putting her on for money because I'd have to wait a month to move her on. Keep your opinions to yourself buddy
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 27 Dec 2016 08:54
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Nicholas Arena wrote:
The core problem is not someone wanting to "give away" dogs but the Welfare rules implemented. When the slow dogs were exported there was a local market for the Country class dogs. Now you can't export a dog - you struggle to euthanize a dog - GAP is over run and by and large most trainers are not interested in Tier 3 Country class dogs. Hence people are simply trying to cut their losses and give dogs away to those hobby/owner trainers happy to race in the Country or Tier 3 - trouble is there is simple too many now and the market is flooded. This issue has only just begun to take shape.It is a reflection "again" of poor policy implementation - the problem was in the Industry 12 months ago.
Bingo...Nic Even share of Stake money over all grades would alleviate this problem reinvent the grading system to cater for slower class dogs..
PROBLEM SOLVED .....No more GIVEAWAYS and flooding of slower dogs in the Classifieds .
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 27 Dec 2016 20:40
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Nicholas Arena wrote:
The core problem is not someone wanting to "give away" dogs but the Welfare rules implemented. When the slow dogs were exported there was a local market for the Country class dogs. Now you can't export a dog - you struggle to euthanize a dog - GAP is over run and by and large most trainers are not interested in Tier 3 Country class dogs. Hence people are simply trying to cut their losses and give dogs away to those hobby/owner trainers happy to race in the Country or Tier 3 - trouble is there is simple too many now and the market is flooded. This issue has only just begun to take shape.It is a reflection "again" of poor policy implementation - the problem was in the Industry 12 months ago.
Bingo...Nic Even share of Stake money over all grades would alleviate this problem reinvent the grading system to cater for slower class dogs..
PROBLEM SOLVED .....No more GIVEAWAYS and flooding of slower dogs in the Classifieds .
Hi Kev I've been saying for years the prize money split is all wrong.
Even more so now th gap is just way to big between city 5k plus country $1300 plus and tier 3 $660.
Take Healesville they race for pittance it's full TAB meeting then they have there cup and I think it's worth over 50k.
If we want these slow dogs to race till there 3-4 years old we must accommodate them. Most hobby trainers can't survive on tier 3 prize money.
IMO very TAB meeting ( Tier 3 ) should be at least 1k with second and third prize money more even.
$1000 for first $500 for second $250 for third.
I think you would find a lot more trainers would hold onto these slow dogs.
How can a city race ( TAB meeting ) be worth over 5k when Healesville ( TAB meeting ) be worth $660.
To put it into context you would have to win half the race card at Healesville to equal 1 race in the city.
Time for the powers to be to wake up...................
Even the prize money split and you will be well on your way to having dogs race for a lot longer.
As for these commercial breeders make then be accountable for there wastage
OK guys we hear you. Well any idea's what we do about giveaways in classified's, if we ban them then we would only get people advertising dogs for 10 quid. Give me your idea's and i will put them forward.
Malcolm Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 12802 Dogs 19 / Races 34 27 Dec 2016 21:56
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settle down people, jim was only suggesting a separate entity for giveaways, I too am sick of looking through the adds for sale and seeing broodies , thats another that needs a separate column ...
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