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Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 22 May 2016 09:06
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This is the issue that I find difficult to understand. Pentobarbital/procaine are banned drugs. It has been made clear that testing positive for them through the food chain is not an acceptable excuse, therefore, shouldn't authorities deal with positive tests in the same manner as any other positive test even if the defence is that the dogs acquired the drugs through the food chain?
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 22 May 2016 09:20
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lynda bonner wrote:
This is the issue that I find difficult to understand. Pentobarbital/procaine are banned drugs. It has been made clear that testing positive for them through the food chain is not an acceptable excuse, therefore, shouldn't authorities deal with positive tests in the same manner as any other positive test even if the defence is that the dogs acquired the drugs through the food chain?
Yes that is exactly what should happen & we were told on the 6th November 2015 by the IGB that's what would happen. "Feeding of such contaminated products will not serve as a defence but rather as an aggravating factor to the detection of an adverse analytical finding in any proceedings brought under the Greyhound Industry Act 1958, and in particular at hearings before the independent Control Committee. i.e. contaminated meats are not considered normal or ordinary feeding within the IGB definition of a prohibited substance under the 2007 Racing Regulations. "
So no wonder people are unhappy that that has not been followed through in an equitable manner. We thought we had change, but we seem to be back to square one again. WHY?
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 22 May 2016 09:26
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Chris thanks for printing the rules. When the rules are not acted upon then there is understandably a widespread feeling of injustice.
Or to be fair Alison maybe the 'little' dog man couldn't afford a Legal Firm defence?
You can defend yourself, but you do need to turn up.
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 22 May 2016 09:33
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Alison Coxon wrote:
You can defend yourself, but you do need to turn up.
Alison,iv'e a very simple question for ya.. Do you think it's ok for anyone to escape punishment for breaking the rules of this or any other sport?? A simple yes or no would suffice..
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 22 May 2016 09:41
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Heard a good one during the week(although the man says it's really true).. A trainer was in front of the control committee for caffine positive,he said that apparently it came from the beef,beef was from a pet cow and the farmers wife gave it 2 daily cups of strong tea,might even have specified it was tetleys...
Kevin Lindsay United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1420 Dogs 10 / Races 7 22 May 2016 09:46
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michael de ward wrote:
Heard a good one during the week(although the man says it's really true).. A trainer was in front of the control committee for caffine positive,he said that apparently it came from the beef,beef was from a pet cow and the farmers wife gave it 2 daily cups of strong tea,might even have specified it was tetleys...
Michael it was even worse as apparently the milk in the tea came from the same cow before it died.
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 22 May 2016 09:47
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Was told that also Kevin but thought that wee bit far fetched... LOL
Henning Olesen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 252 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 May 2016 10:30
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Guideline when taken with positive drug test:
Hire good solicitor
Claim its the meat
Claim the drug came into the greyhound beyond your control
Good chance you wont have to pay fine and keep your price money.
No charge, feel free to use anytime:))))
John Hayes Ireland (Verified User) Posts 217 Dogs 5 / Races 0 22 May 2016 10:37
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does mr x pay these legal fees himself.or does the owners of dogs hes training pay his fees
So now what happens to the positive test the trainer had in Dec 15, after this one where he was let off Scott free?????
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 22 May 2016 11:30
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Geoff Bateman wrote:
So now what happens to the positive test the trainer had in Dec 15, after this one where he was let off Scott free?????
Also,what happens to his previous procaine positives?? From memory i think he got fined 100euro,the procaine came from the beef also so that fine may be overturned and positive test quashed?????
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 22 May 2016 12:08
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I believe the focus of fault should be placed at the feet of those who apply the rules in an inconsistent and apparent unjust manner to those who have breached the rules and presented a dog with a positive test for a banned substance.
By setting such an example it appears they are sending out messages that integrity in our sport is lacking and that it's ok to break the rules as long as you can present a plausible excuse even if that excuse breaches the rules.
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 22 May 2016 12:13
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What we can read on Data is only the tip of the iceberg. There is immense dissatisfaction all over social media on how the issue of positive tests for banned substances is being handled.
We need our governing body to show leadership and send out clear messages on their stance on issues re integrity.
Declan Power Ireland (Verified User) Posts 342 Dogs 13 / Races 0 22 May 2016 15:59
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It would only happen in Ireland....tis a great little country...no wonder outside business people come here...make as much money as they please,fantastic tax incentives and if it all goes tits up sure the joe soap will pay for it. ..Ireland has to be one of the worst run countries in Europe. ..we are a joke. ..im sure everyone is having some laugh at us..
Anthony Walsh (Verified User) Posts 146 Dogs 1 / Races 0 22 May 2016 16:55
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Paul Moran wrote:
Alison Coxon wrote:
michael de ward wrote:
Alison Coxon wrote:
Anthony, the quality or meat vs contamination was discussed many months ago, the meat is not rotten as you say and the 150c meat is nothing but fat and gristle. No one can 100% guarantee what they are eating let alone feeding to their dogs.
Let it be noted that the bitch ran 28 races last year from January through to Dec, she was tested on many occasions as she reached many big finals ( this is the norm in big races and she was not singled out ) On one occasion in the whole year she was fed meat that had traces of a substance used to euthanize the animal.She tested clear on every occasion afterwards. If the trainer at the time believed that the meat he was feeding was clear and found out later that it was not, then its too late to go back. I'm sure after finding out the meat was contaminated that the trainer did change his food, but he can't go back in time to change what has already happened unfortunately.The nature of the drug detected does not improve performance, it does not mask detection of other drugs and it would not be intentionally administered to a animal unless with the intention of euthanasia.
Alison,he must have kept a bag or 2 of the "bad beef" for 5 or 6 weeks as had another positive at Tralee 22nd Dec... IMO Owners giving their backing,and not removing dogs from trainers with multiple positive tests against them are doing as much damage as the trainers who are at it.. Whether people like it or not and rightly or wrongly any and all dogs reputations (that are under such trainers care) are tainted.....
Re : 22nd Dec positive, this was before the first positives were revealed on February 8th, therefore the trainer saw no reason to change his meat before this time.
The Committee was satisfied that Mr "X" had taken steps to change the feeding regime of his racing greyhounds at the earliest opportunity when he became aware of the advisory notice issued by the Board on the 6th November, 2015. The Committee was conscious of the fact that on the 10th November, 2015 Mr. "X" took steps to source Category 3 meat following the publication of the Advisory Notice.
I see some conflicting dates here..!!!!
The disgraceful decisions of the so called independent committee has just made up my mind whether I should stay breeding greyhounds or not.... I've just cancelled a booking I had made to have my bitch mated tomorrow as a result of the recent enquiries and until this control committee, the chairman and most of his board are removed I won't be breeding anymore greyhounds, and I would advise every small breeder to do the same. And when the four big studs have no customers coming through the gate, and their money supply drying up they might make a few phone calls to help get this disgraceful carry on cleaned up.
Michael de Ward Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2191 Dogs 4 / Races 1 22 May 2016 17:07
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Are some historical positive tests affecting recent decisions being taken by gb and control committee???
Joe Mc Gorrey United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1292 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 May 2016 18:04
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all this outfit are doing is destroying the sale of the irish dogs destroying the breeding etc i dont blame people for quiting dog racing cause the whole thing is a shambles due to this so call board they would need to be tramp into a rocket and sent to the moon for along vacation
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 22 May 2016 18:46
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Anthony I must agree with you. I have a bitch I am waiting to break but now I will not be mating her, I won't spay her yet just in case miracles happen & the sport gets cleaned up.
Johnny Burke Ireland (Verified User) Posts 53 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 May 2016 20:08
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Alison Coxon wrote:
Kevin Lindsay wrote:
Or to be fair Alison maybe the 'little' dog man couldn't afford a Legal Firm defence?
You can defend yourself, but you do need to turn up.
Most farmers whos cattle have to be pts call the knacker yard who come out and shoot them .most do not get injected if any
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