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Francis Walsh Ireland (Verified User) Posts 390 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Nov 2017 20:16
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
ENTRIES REQUIRED URGENTLY FOR COMERFORD CAKES OPEN Entries are urgently require for the Comerford Cakes 525 which is due to start on Saturday night at Shelbourne.
The event was advertised for 72 dogs whelped in September 15 or later and with a winners prize of 15,000. However, this morning there were only twelve names in the book and entries close tomorrow.
Owners and trainers are urged to submit their entries as soon as possible.
How much longer do we have left?. With breeding numbers well down and the lack of paying guests at tracks owners walking away Because they feel they cannot compete any more is a very worrying sign, the warning signs have been flashing for a while with little or no interest shown from the Ministers in charge, But the most worrying part of all this is when you speak to genuine greyhound people and they tell you that drugs are going to kill the sport unless something is done to get rid of the drugs and the people using them, this thread was started due to the amount of drugs being used at the time and the lack of published information, 4 years further down the road and still the lack of unpublished information regarding Drug findings, with little or no punishment for the chosen few and an industry that has achieved a rotten to the core status is something that needs to be taken seriously by all stakeholders IMHO if this industry is to survive.
72 dog event and only got 24,damage already done.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Nov 2017 17:38
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July 22nd was the positive for Cocaine followed by August with no Analytical Findings,September 4th one positive for Flunixin, October no Analytical Findings, November up to 27th no Analytical Findings,Are people beginning to get the message that Drugs are not welcome in greyhound racing? or is there something more sinister going on at base, if we had a more serious approach to our testing procedure with more serious sanctions handed out and more transparency from the IGB one might believe things are changing, I personally have not seen any sanctions handed down to Justify not using drugs again, sad but true JMO.
Brian Walsh (Verified User) Posts 104 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Nov 2017 18:16
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
July 22nd was the positive for Cocaine followed by August with no Analytical Findings,September 4th one positive for Flunixin, October no Analytical Findings, November up to 27th no Analytical Findings,Are people beginning to get the message that Drugs are not welcome in greyhound racing? or is there something more sinister going on at base, if we had a more serious approach to our testing procedure with more serious sanctions handed out and more transparency from the IGB one might believe things are changing, I personally have not seen any sanctions handed down to Justify not using drugs again, sad but true JMO.
Excluding Dec '16, for which there is no data available; there has been at least one adverse analytical finding every month from Oct '15 (this being the first month for which adverse analytical findings were published) to July '17, inclusive. This is excluding findings for procaine and pentobarbital, for which I believe there are now thresholds I believe the Clonbrien Hero positives were published 'around' the second week in September and the final of the laurels was on 22nd July. This would lead one to presume that there is an approx. lead time of 6 weeks from sample being collected to publishing of any adverse finding. Thus, I'd expect there to have been no positives for Dec '16, Aug '17 and the first 2 weeks of Oct '17. On the other hand, Francis Fitzgerald said in May '16 that she had no knowledge of the Garda Commissioner's legal strategy at the O'Higgins Commission when she was Minister for Justice.........So, I'd be very understanding if some were to be some what sceptical of the totality of the published adverse analytical findings. But, one can only work with the data they have before them and hope that it is true and accurate.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Nov 2017 19:50
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It took the IGB only 4 days to publish the Test Results from dogs who took part in the St Ledger. ALL ST LEGER SAMPLES TEST NEGATIVE All 114 samples taken from the 60 competing greyhounds throughout the six rounds of the Irish St. Leger at Limerick Stadium have returned negative for prohibited substances. 10 days have passed and no publication from the IGB regarding Night of Stars Test results why the delay??????????.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Dec 2017 21:17
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A few lines taken from the Morris report says it all.
The review found: Longstanding and significant deficiencies in policies, processes, and [IGB] implementation that have been undermining the integrity and reputation of greyhound racing in Ireland; Improvements being conducted by IGB are being disrupted by the legacy of mistrust and lack of communication; The Morris Report is consistent with previous reports (Dalton, Indecon, Strategic Review, C&AG, Information Commissioner, Agriculture Committee etc). Professor Morris says IGB is not an educated customer(page 71). He goes on to describe the dearth of available expertise in anti-doping and medication control (page 10) . Morris confirms that public concerns regarding the inability of IGB to deal with illegal drugs, particularly anabolic steroids, are justified (page 70; 20.4.3.1.3) and even goes so far as to state that the Greyhound Board of Great Britain have A high degree of mistrust in the IGB, its Board and processes (page 50). Morris also raising concerns regarding interference in the the process (page 10) There is not enough independence in the planning of a sampling strategy [19.3.5], the management and oversight of the laboratory [20.4.1.1] and the management of adverse analytical findings [21.3.3]. Morris highlights IGBs failure to have a consolidated rule book and states that notices are fragmented, incomplete and confusing (page 40). Morris is at a loss to understand how IGB sets screening limits and thresholds and states that IGB appear to confuse the two (page 63; 18.6.4.2.1) . Morris says that IGB have failed to take scientific advice when setting limits but rather have set the level at their analytical instruments limit of detection (page 63, 18.6.4.2.2).
On page 69 ; 20.4.2.1. The potential issues with the sample collection bottles that might potentially allow tampering with bottles used by the IGB were known to the laboratory staff. There is not much detail here but only the very nave would believe that there was not a motive for using bottles that could be tampered with. Morris also has concerns with lack of focus and/or lack of expertise by the IGB Regulation Department.
Professor Morris was no fool when he published this damming report on the IGB he knew exactly who/what he was dealing with when he carried out his report. Minister Doyle/Creed must now see that Our regulation Department is not fit for purpose only a disgrace to our industry, with more high court visits and further damage to our industry over cocaine positives that were kept quite until someone blew the whistle spells disaster, now the shit will hit the fan and some home truths will be revealed.
Dave , fair play to you for digging out the above info and pointing out the obvious failings of this reckless idea of a board. One particular point is something I for one had missed. The point in question being that Morris pointed out that the bottles used for sampling could be tampered with. This is a point that anyone with a positive could produce in court and have their case thrown out at once. This is something that could have been easily rectified and once again shows the inept attitude of the current regime.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Dec 2017 08:27
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When the run of play starts to unfold for certain trainers its hard to find a way back, more people begin to doubt your achievements some will even BOO when you cross the line in front, this is a clear sign that people are sick of watching cheats reaping the rewards that belong to honest greyhound men/woman who love their dogs and give it their all to support this industry and not Just their pockets, our industry is in a very bad place with more unwanted high court appearances looming for the IGB, you can be certain that more home truths will be revealed and the Regulation Dpt will have serious questions to answer, when you read the quote below it tells us that there is more corruption in this sport than greyhounds, its going to get interesting from here on in so lets hope that the board are left in their positions to face the music, as the other man says its easy to walk away.
Quote Holland was out of the country and unavailable for comment. On his kennels website, he addressed the positive findings, saying he had been picked on for drug testing at Shelbourne Park and that he knew of one well-known trainer with seven positives pending, and another has nine, though nothing has been made public.
Regulation Dpt should publish all their findings before the final whistle blows, JMO.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Dec 2017 08:39
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liam riley wrote:
Dave , fair play to you for digging out the above info and pointing out the obvious failings of this reckless idea of a board. One particular point is something I for one had missed. The point in question being that Morris pointed out that the bottles used for sampling could be tampered with. This is a point that anyone with a positive could produce in court and have their case thrown out at once. This is something that could have been easily rectified and once again shows the inept attitude of the current regime.
Liam, Members of the federation were shown the new tamper proof sample bottles which were introduced by the Irish Coursing Club,I personally thought they were of top quality with no chance of leaking or being tampered with but the IGB declined to use them and stuck with their own cheap farcical bottles,the question is WHY did the regulation Dpt not insist on using this new tamper proof system? total madness IMO.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Dec 2017 17:25
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Sunday Times today Owner of drugged greyhound muzzles hearing
Graham Holland, whose champion greyhound Clonbrien Hero tested positive for traces of cocaine earlier this year, has secured a temporary injunction preventing the control committee of the Irish Greyhound Board (IGB) from holding a hearing.
On Thursday, Holland was granted an ex parte injunction, in which only one side is represented, to prevent the hearing into Clonbrien Hero. The dog has continued to race since traces of the drug were discovered in its system on three occasions in June and July at the Curraheen Park greyhound stadium in Cork.
The hearing of the IGBs control committee was due to take place on Friday. Judge Donald Binchy granted Holland permission to prevent the inquiry from proceeding, on the grounds that the owner had not been given details of all charges against his dog. A day later, the court was told by the IGB that the planned hearing would not proceed, with the case adjourned until January.
Holland, who declined to comment yesterday, on legal advice, has claimed that traces of benzoylecgonine, which is metabolised from cocaine, may have entered the dogs system when it licked peoples hands as they stroked its head after a race.
Since cocaine was found in his system, Clonbrien Hero has won several races including the 25,000 Irish St Leger at Limerick last month, one of the sports most prestigious races, although the prize money has been frozen pending the control committee hearing.
Wouldn't it be in the trainers own best interest to have this shambolic affair put right one way or the other, Guilty or not Guilty, it is dragging our entire sport down while it continues,JMO.
Sunday Times today Owner of drugged greyhound muzzles hearing
Graham Holland, whose champion greyhound Clonbrien Hero tested positive for traces of cocaine earlier this year, has secured a temporary injunction preventing the control committee of the Irish Greyhound Board (IGB) from holding a hearing.
On Thursday, Holland was granted an ex parte injunction, in which only one side is represented, to prevent the hearing into Clonbrien Hero. The dog has continued to race since traces of the drug were discovered in its system on three occasions in June and July at the Curraheen Park greyhound stadium in Cork.
The hearing of the IGBs control committee was due to take place on Friday. Judge Donald Binchy granted Holland permission to prevent the inquiry from proceeding, on the grounds that the owner had not been given details of all charges against his dog. A day later, the court was told by the IGB that the planned hearing would not proceed, with the case adjourned until January.
Holland, who declined to comment yesterday, on legal advice, has claimed that traces of benzoylecgonine, which is metabolised from cocaine, may have entered the dogs system when it licked peoples hands as they stroked its head after a race.
Since cocaine was found in his system, Clonbrien Hero has won several races including the 25,000 Irish St Leger at Limerick last month, one of the sports most prestigious races, although the prize money has been frozen pending the control committee hearing.
Wouldn't it be in the trainers own best interest to have this shambolic affair put right one way or the other, Guilty or not Guilty, it is dragging our entire sport down while it continues,JMO.
I'm sure the owners and GH know it would be in their and every ones best interest to have this shambolic affair dealt with and put right one way or another, But the IGB made sure that this could not be the case when they withheld the sample results of the Laurels heats from the whole world. Now the whole world is looking on and laughing. When is someone going to take this board to court for wasting public funds and have them removed. The bad decisions they are making time and time again are beyond belief.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Dec 2017 06:22
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Quote When is someone going to take this board to court for wasting public funds and have them removed. The bad decisions they are making time and time again are beyond belief.
Liam, Have a listen to Ray Butler condemning IGB salaries, its old news but it goes to show that nothing has been done and nothing will be done going by Minister Doyle's feeble response.
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Tom Caffrey Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1488 Dogs 5 / Races 0 06 Dec 2017 08:19
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EXTERNAL LINK In a report by the control committee, which was published yesterday, it noted that because of the "estimated screening levels detected in the sample in question", it was satisfied that "this was not a food-contamination issue".
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 06 Dec 2017 17:20
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A fine of 2500 for one person found guilty of using Cocaine and a lesser fine of 2000 for another person using Cocaine was his Cocaine not as good as the first mans Cocaine? There should should be a set fine for anyone found with a positive for Cocaine 5000 would make them think twice about using this gear i cant understand how one man is fined 2500 and the other fined 2000 both samples showed up Cocaine so the same fine should be applied followed by a ban immaterial of quantity's found JMHO.
David McGrath Ireland (Verified User) Posts 978 Dogs 47 / Races 4 06 Dec 2017 17:24
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Looks like the lesser fine may have been because the person turned up to answer the charge Dave
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 06 Dec 2017 19:17
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David McGrath wrote:
Looks like the lesser fine may have been because the person turned up to answer the charge Dave
That seems right, a lesser fine for someone who turned up for due process & a greater fine to those that don't. So I'd hope that punishment would be even greater for anyone that didn't turn up, but also took the legal route to stop proceedings happening.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 06 Dec 2017 19:31
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So you get fined an extra 500 for not turning up, it will be interesting to see what you will get when you turn up with a Barrister.
Stephen Fishwick Ireland (Verified User) Posts 122 Dogs 0 / Races 0 06 Dec 2017 20:26
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Stephen fishwick wrote:
Probably depends on the level of drug detected, a figure that is never revealed but is a huge factor in the outcome of the hearing.
In European court unless you turn up for the hearing you are automatically guilty, regardless of whether you are guilty or not you have to turn up to defend yourself or you are deemed guilty , so its in your best interest to turn up to the hearing, yes this is not the European court but you need to turn up, don't shit on people who turn up.
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Dec 2017 19:15
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Jumeirah Lolls has been disqualified from this evenings Oaks final at Belle Vue under rule 173(ii) of GBGB Rules of Racing following a positive analysis of a sample taken from this greyhound on 2nd December (2nd Round). Jumeirah Lolls tested positive for the metabolites of pentobarbital.
The IGB claim they are/were working closely with GBGB, if this is the case WHY are greyhounds Disqualified in the UK for testing positive for metabolites of Pentobarbital and here in Ireland there is NOW no case to answer,or is it simply a case of forget what the professor said we can do as we wish, the whole industry is a complete shambles beyond belief IMHO.
Brian Walsh (Verified User) Posts 104 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Dec 2017 22:48
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
Jumeirah Lolls has been disqualified from this evenings Oaks final at Belle Vue under rule 173(ii) of GBGB Rules of Racing following a positive analysis of a sample taken from this greyhound on 2nd December (2nd Round). Jumeirah Lolls tested positive for the metabolites of pentobarbital.
The IGB claim they are/were working closely with GBGB, if this is the case WHY are greyhounds Disqualified in the UK for testing positive for metabolites of Pentobarbital and here in Ireland there is NOW no case to answer,or is it simply a case of forget what the professor said we can do as we wish, the whole industry is a complete shambles beyond belief IMHO.
As far as I am aware (open to correction); The IGB Scientific Committee advised that there shall be no adverse analytical finding/Positive for metabolites of Pentobarbital/Pentobarbitone but there would be an adverse analytical finding for the presence of the parent drug, i.e. Pentobarbital. The GBGB set a screening limit for metabolites of Pentobarbital. Presumably, the dog in question, returned a finding above the screening limit and so there would be an automatic positive. However, for all we know, this positive could be a minute amount over the screening limit (possibly
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