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Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 20 Jun 2014 09:01
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Steve Byrnes wrote:
Gents Just so I can get things in perspective, who is Australia busiest sire?
Possibly Magic Sprite
Dennis McKeon (Verified User) Posts 355 Dogs 0 / Races 0 20 Jun 2014 10:52
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julie-anne hopper wrote:
Hi Dennis ,your post make good reading and are interesting ,as we will be searching for a sire for our girl soon CLICK HERE . We think the line would need some pace and hard chasing injected into it do you think the gable dodge line would suit or is there other US sires capable of injecting such. Cheers.
Hi Julie-anne, it seems that the Gable Dodge line sires like Dodgem By Design, KC and All and Lonesome Cry tend to throw early pace. I would not say to the extent that some of the Brett Lee line sires do, however. At the risk of being presumptuous, I'd offer the following for you to consider.
Given the group of American sires at your disposal (if that is your inkling), and I hope I'm not overlooking anyone, and the pedigree of your girl there, you might want to look at Blazin Wildfire, who sets up on paper almost perfectly with her, imho. And of all the US sires, none were any more pacey, tenacious or hell-bent-for-leather than he was. I've never seen a harder trying dog.
Steve Byrnes Australia (Verified User) Posts 35 Dogs 4 / Races 0 20 Jun 2014 14:00
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darren langley wrote:
kevin wright wrote:
glenn hatton wrote:
It would be interesting to me & others to get the thoughts of Geoff & kevin as to when they believe breeders should introduce their broodbitch to an American sire. Personally I'd like to know if they think it's ideal for Australian racing conditions to introduce an American damline/Aussie sireline bitch to an American sire or is the land of standing irrelevant as long as you get what your bitch is lacking?
I asked Paul Horig for his opinion & he says Gable Dodge sire line is for early pace. Is there any other sires apart from Lonesome Cry that fit into this category?
Glen it depends on what trait you wanted to introduce to your Dam line .. I believe people today have the greatest choice of sire's from the USA and there is none better than the ones both Geoff and myself are promoting .
One thing I can say is this' being competitive with Geoff on the USA sires has been fantastic for the breeders of Australia and with the internet today ever breeder can get the true facts not some fabricated truth's .
Kevin Djays served 237 last year based on Paul's comments how many did your bloke serve?
Your spot on with your comments it's great we have the Internet so breeders can see true facts and not fabricated facts that some seem to use.
Darren looking at the nga web site I think KMM served around 160 bitches last year, maybe Paul can tell us if this is correct. I also think his off spring had around 540 Top Grade wins for the year. His overall position was third on the sires list KST was number 1 but has twice the amount of off spring as Kiowa Mon Manny.
Julie-anne Hopper Australia (Verified User) Posts 75 Dogs 8 / Races 0 21 Jun 2014 08:12
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Hi Dennis Thanks for your input we have had Blazin Wildfire and Lonesome Cry in our minds but were not sure what they would bring ,pace strength chase ect, do you know if Blazin Wildfire has any winners as yet.
Dennis McKeon (Verified User) Posts 355 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Jun 2014 11:34
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Julie-anne, Blazin Wildfire's first track ready litter are just about to begin their careers, after several won races at the National meet in Abilene. I think they are being spelled briefly, to rest up a bit after all that stress. His littermate, Blazin Spitfire, has a litter by Paddy Whacker, and the girl who won yesterday at Bluffs Run (a top tier venue), in her first race, looks to be something very special. greyhound #1
Paul Horig Bahamas (Verified User) Posts 222 Dogs 10 / Races 0 23 Jun 2014 10:03
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darren langley wrote:
Graeme Beasley wrote:
Johnathon campbell wrote:
How many stud dogs in Australia over the years were supported with large numbers even after they had a few promising dogs?
My guess is that there has been a few and some stood up and others faded away.
Let's let the dogs do the talking and in time he maybe a top sire but judging a sires ability by the number of bitches he's served is counting your chickens before they've hatched.
I know he's serving a lot of bitches, is he a leading sire no but one day we will find that out.
"Let the dogs do the talking". Thanks for the laugh Johnathon.
Lol I think the breeders are doing the talking aswell since he the busiest sire in the US.
He seems to be doing well on the sires top 20 list and I'm sue he will climb to the top pretty quick.
Darren,
FYI the mating figures of some of the younger brigade dogs I was interested in for the same period.
FLYING COAL CITY - 136 KC AND ALL - 121 BD'S GRAYSON - 87 BELLA INFRARED - 83
Johnathon Campbell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4635 Dogs 5 / Races 2 23 Jun 2014 10:11
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Steve Byrnes wrote:
darren langley wrote:
kevin wright wrote:
glenn hatton wrote:
It would be interesting to me & others to get the thoughts of Geoff & kevin as to when they believe breeders should introduce their broodbitch to an American sire. Personally I'd like to know if they think it's ideal for Australian racing conditions to introduce an American damline/Aussie sireline bitch to an American sire or is the land of standing irrelevant as long as you get what your bitch is lacking?
I asked Paul Horig for his opinion & he says Gable Dodge sire line is for early pace. Is there any other sires apart from Lonesome Cry that fit into this category?
Glen it depends on what trait you wanted to introduce to your Dam line .. I believe people today have the greatest choice of sire's from the USA and there is none better than the ones both Geoff and myself are promoting .
One thing I can say is this' being competitive with Geoff on the USA sires has been fantastic for the breeders of Australia and with the internet today ever breeder can get the true facts not some fabricated truth's .
Kevin Djays served 237 last year based on Paul's comments how many did your bloke serve?
Your spot on with your comments it's great we have the Internet so breeders can see true facts and not fabricated facts that some seem to use.
Darren looking at the nga web site I think KMM served around 160 bitches last year, maybe Paul can tell us if this is correct. I also think his off spring had around 540 Top Grade wins for the year. His overall position was third on the sires list KST was number 1 but has twice the amount of off spring as Kiowa Mon Manny.
Paul Horig Bahamas (Verified User) Posts 222 Dogs 10 / Races 0 23 Jun 2014 10:19
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glenn hatton wrote:
It would be interesting to me & others to get the thoughts of Geoff & kevin as to when they believe breeders should introduce their broodbitch to an American sire. Personally I'd like to know if they think it's ideal for Australian racing conditions to introduce an American damline/Aussie sireline bitch to an American sire or is the land of standing irrelevant as long as you get what your bitch is lacking?
I asked Paul Horig for his opinion & he says Gable Dodge sire line is for early pace. Is there any other sires apart from Lonesome Cry that fit into this category?
Glenn,
KC and All looks to another son of Gable Dodge that is producing dogs with early speed. His son Hilco KC Kidd won the 2014 Bluffs Run Juvenile on the weekend.
Dennis McKeon (Verified User) Posts 355 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Jun 2014 10:56
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Kiowa Mon Manny, Kiowa Sweet Trey and Blazin Wildfire all had blistering early pace, right from the traps. Blazin Wildfire was a dual distance winner, also able to stay 660 yards in open stakes competition, our highest level.
I would say that in the case of Lonesome Cry, whose best offspring are disproportionately from Molotov maternal or paternal grand daughters, you might be overlooking Molotov's effect upon the equation. In the case of the Gable Dodge line itself, it might be wise to also consider the effect that HBs Commander himself---the sire of Molotov and Oswald Cobblepot---had upon that equation.
Graeme Beasley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3265 Dogs 27 / Races 5 23 Jun 2014 12:17
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Dennis McKeon wrote:
Kiowa Mon Manny, Kiowa Sweet Trey and Blazin Wildfire all had blistering early pace, right from the traps. Blazin Wildfire was a dual distance winner, also able to stay 660 yards in open stakes competition, our highest level.
I would say that in the case of Lonesome Cry, whose best offspring are disproportionately from Molotov maternal or paternal grand daughters, you might be overlooking Molotov's effect upon the equation. In the case of the Gable Dodge line itself, it might be wise to also consider the effect that HBs Commander himself---the sire of Molotov and Oswald Cobblepot---had upon that equation.
Best advice would be to look at every male and female in the previous few generations, instead of just the males.
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 09 Oct 2014 21:28
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The 11 busiest sires in America for the latest two month period (Sept-Oct).. with DJO tripling the number of services by the next busiest sire KC And All ..
Djays Octane - 59 KC And All - 19 Kiowa Mon Manny - 12 Flying Coal City - 11 Kiowa Sweet Trey - 11 Pat C Clement - 11 BD's Grayson - 10 Tyrur Alex - 10 Barcelona Boss - 9 Aerial Battle - 8 Lonesome Cry - 8
Martin Roper USA (Team Member) Posts 1593 Dogs 7212 / Races 10370 09 Oct 2014 21:57
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Geoff Collins wrote:
The 11 busiest sires in America for the latest two month period (Sept-Oct).. with DJO tripling the number of services by the next busiest sire KC And All ..
Djays Octane - 59 KC And All - 19 Kiowa Mon Manny - 12 Flying Coal City - 11 Kiowa Sweet Trey - 11 Pat C Clement - 11 BD's Grayson - 10 Tyrur Alex - 10 Barcelona Boss - 9 Aerial Battle - 8 Lonesome Cry - 8
This is the Southland effect at work. Djays Octane was a standout at Southland and has a good number of pups who run well there. He's a fine sire, but if I had only one female to breed to any sire with the hope to run at any track I'd breed her to KC and All or Kiowa Mon Manny depending on her breeding.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 09 Oct 2014 22:08
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Great result for DJ and it goes without question he throws a super strong run on style dog that suits the tough US style of track .....Southland .
His trait that he throws is hard chase with great run on ability and his lack of early pace should suit our quick box dogs in Australia .
If we take a look at some our great run on sires in the past Like Bombastic Shiraz we can see that you don't need to be a sire of quick box dogs to be a success at Stud .
No other time in Australian racing have we had such a huge influx of USA raced sires and these top Sires in the USA are just that the very best .
We also have to consider this . The US way of breeding is to FLOOD sires with their own broods and other peoples broods who have close relationships to the track kennels and there is no interest from these big breeders to support any other Sire other than their own .
Here in Australia the little breeder can reach the top of the tree but when a US Sire has two litters on the ground the big boys in the US have 300 litters on the ground then the sire standings will never change because of the total dominance of the big Kennels and breeders.
% per winners produced and raced is the only way to see the true figures with any Sire in the USA .
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 09 Oct 2014 22:14
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Martin Roper wrote:
Geoff Collins wrote:
The 11 busiest sires in America for the latest two month period (Sept-Oct).. with DJO tripling the number of services by the next busiest sire KC And All ..
Djays Octane - 59 KC And All - 19 Kiowa Mon Manny - 12 Flying Coal City - 11 Kiowa Sweet Trey - 11 Pat C Clement - 11 BD's Grayson - 10 Tyrur Alex - 10 Barcelona Boss - 9 Aerial Battle - 8 Lonesome Cry - 8
This is the Southland effect at work. Djays Octane was a standout at Southland and has a good number of pups who run well there. He's a fine sire, but if I had only one female to breed to any sire with the hope to run at any track I'd breed her to KC and All or Kiowa Mon Manny depending on her breeding.
I agree Martin KC and All is a great Sire who throws some very fast box dogs with great run on power and I would definitely use him because of these factors he throws into his broods and he traits he throws into his pups is second to none ...
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 09 Oct 2014 22:14
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Busiest US sires in July and August Djays Octane - 62 KC And All - 32 BD's Grayson - 16 Flying Coal City - 16 Pat C Clement - 13 Tyrur Alex - 13 Defrim Bale - 12 Flying Hydrogen - 12 Kiowa Mon Manny - 10 Kiowa Sweet Trey - 10 Trent Lee - 10
Combined service figures for 4 month period from July to September Djays Octane - 121 KC And All - 51 Flying Coal City - 27 BD's Grayson - 26 Pat C Clement - 24 Tyrur Alex 23 Kiowa Mon Manny - 22 Kiowa Sweet Trey 21
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 09 Oct 2014 22:19
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Geoff Collins wrote:
Busiest US sires in July and August Djays Octane - 62 KC And All - 32 BD's Grayson - 16 Flying Coal City - 16 Pat C Clement - 13 Tyrur Alex - 13 Defrim Bale - 12 Flying Hydrogen - 12 Kiowa Mon Manny - 10 Kiowa Sweet Trey - 10 Trent Lee - 10
Combined service figures for 4 month period from July to September Djays Octane - 121 KC And All - 51 Flying Coal City - 27 BD's Grayson - 26 Pat C Clement - 24 Tyrur Alex 23 Kiowa Mon Manny - 22 Kiowa Sweet Trey 21
Thats great Geoff and it is great to see the way the each sire has his run of Bitches .
Geoff are you planning on bringing out semen for BD's Grayson or did you already get a shipment.
Maybe you and me can bring it out together just to show there is plenty of love going on here.
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 09 Oct 2014 22:20
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Greyhound Data's points per runners US sires .... EXTERNAL LINK
Vincent J Lund United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 600 Dogs 23 / Races 0 18 Oct 2014 15:38
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Pj Ez Pass, sold for $78,000.
Just tried to post his breeding but I still have not got the hang of the click thing.
Dick Ciampa USA (Team Member) Posts 798 Dogs 15458 / Races 3395 18 Oct 2014 16:00
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
