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Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 02 Jul 2014 08:47
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There are numerous fee's that go with owning greyhounds, or any dog for that matter. One lot of fee's I would hope to hear a response to is those incurred on us by councils, but its not just fee's its by-laws also. Each day more and more people are becoming aware of just what has been going on and I will take you back to the late 80's when a referendum was held and the legislative proposal was, and this is taken from a copy of the original letter from Attorney General The Hon Robert McClelland.
119A. Each State shall provide for the establishment & continuance of a system of local government, with local government bodies elected in accordance with the laws of the State & empowered to administer, and to make bylaws, for their respective areas in accordance with the laws of the state.
The Constitution did not and still does not recognise Local Government. Even the Attorney General agrees with this fact.. quoting the Constitution does not currently recognise local government. Since the constitution is the basis of the laws and it does not recognise local government, it means that no local council anywhere in Australia has legal standing! It logically follows that they operate outside the law!!!! Therefore what the law does not allow is then considered criminal. It is that simple! The result of the Referendum was that over 87% of the people of Australia and the states of WA, SA, TAS, NSW and QLD voted NO. It is clear that no system of local government may be lawfully established or continued with the Commonwealth of Australia, or within any of the various states. The Constitutional decision made by the people in 1988 implied, All councils now operate with no Head of Power. A Head of Power is the authority to act. No state can legislate to dignify councils with no Head of Power. All Council officers are now personally liable for prosecution for using any private form of litigation. Therefore no council laws or by laws can be used lawfully against any individual. Furthermore, the very fact that there is a move to have Councils recognised is PROOF that they are NOT recognised.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 02 Jul 2014 08:58
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So why have so many lost to the council/s in the courts...surely someones solicitor would bring up your points 'in law' to win for their client...???
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 02 Jul 2014 09:26
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Grant I think it would be similar to an Incorporated Association, The Office of Fair Trading will not get involved and leave it up to club members to sort out. When you have the Australian Parliament, which was brought about via Whitlam with no referendum, State governments and the Judiciary all working for the same cause(corporation), it has to come down to the constituents.
Are you one of those sheep too Grant.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 02 Jul 2014 19:37
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grant thomas wrote:
So why have so many lost to the council/s in the courts...surely someones solicitor would bring up your points 'in law' to win for their client...???
Lawyers/Solicitors won't jeopardise their careers
Graham Sheather Australia (Verified User) Posts 4867 Dogs 2 / Races 3 03 Jul 2014 00:36
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Dan Hollywood wrote:
There are numerous fee's that go with owning greyhounds, or any dog for that matter. One lot of fee's I would hope to hear a response to is those incurred on us by councils, but its not just fee's its by-laws also. Each day more and more people are becoming aware of just what has been going on and I will take you back to the late 80's when a referendum was held and the legislative proposal was, and this is taken from a copy of the original letter from Attorney General The Hon Robert McClelland.
119A. Each State shall provide for the establishment & continuance of a system of local government, with local government bodies elected in accordance with the laws of the State & empowered to administer, and to make bylaws, for their respective areas in accordance with the laws of the state.
The Constitution did not and still does not recognise Local Government. Even the Attorney General agrees with this fact.. quoting the Constitution does not currently recognise local government. Since the constitution is the basis of the laws and it does not recognise local government, it means that no local council anywhere in Australia has legal standing! It logically follows that they operate outside the law!!!! Therefore what the law does not allow is then considered criminal. It is that simple! The result of the Referendum was that over 87% of the people of Australia and the states of WA, SA, TAS, NSW and QLD voted NO. It is clear that no system of local government may be lawfully established or continued with the Commonwealth of Australia, or within any of the various states. The Constitutional decision made by the people in 1988 implied, All councils now operate with no Head of Power. A Head of Power is the authority to act. No state can legislate to dignify councils with no Head of Power. All Council officers are now personally liable for prosecution for using any private form of litigation. Therefore no council laws or by laws can be used lawfully against any individual. Furthermore, the very fact that there is a move to have Councils recognised is PROOF that they are NOT recognised.
Where did you find this Dan? I am fighting council atm and im very interested in your findng.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 03 Jul 2014 03:07
Steve Woods Australia (Verified User) Posts 784 Dogs 1 / Races 0 03 Jul 2014 03:31
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Dan Hope your not quoting out of context. The law as you know can swing on the very words that are before to or after a statement and sometime we lay persons don't take in the whole substance of a statement or stated fact. My God if your right between the old Buedesert council and the Logan council if I can get back what I've paid them over the years "I am a millionaire"
Mmmmmm won't hold my breath though lol
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 03 Jul 2014 03:46
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Its all fact Steve.
Steve Woods Australia (Verified User) Posts 784 Dogs 1 / Races 0 03 Jul 2014 06:09
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I did here many years ago that a bushel of wheat and three corn cobs could pay your land tax, but don't think anyone in last hundred years has tried it.
Seriously dan if that where the case one of the legal sharks would have formed a class action with a few hundred THOUSAND ratepayers and challenged council !
I can see the movie now
John Travolta as the star assisted by Julia Roberts and in the red corner Mr Newman and councils
I know the Bundaberg city council sent out letters to some greyhound participants last month with threats of a $ 183 000 dollar fine for breaches of the local development planning act.
Most of these letters were sent to persons you would call greyhound hobby enthusiasts though the council seems to want to class them as commercial trainers, breeders or at least are being asked to prove otherwise .
I know some of these people that made contact with council have been told to have any more than three racing greyhounds on there property it will be classed as Intensive animal use and will be required to apply for a Material change of use for there land and will incur a $6700 application fee ,running adds in the local classifieds and have a development application sign positioned on the front of there property and not to forget the associated costs of an impact assessment including environmental, water and waste management.
So basically what council is asking is that someone that wants to have four or five greyhounds will have to complete the same application as you would for a piggery or poultry farm.
Deadlines given by council were the end of June so hopefully with the assistance of local members and also state minister for local councils that a common-sense approach will prevail and a more realistic agreement can be put in place.
I think the concerning thing is the inconsistency between councils and the opportunity for a council employee to be a driving force in pushing a personal agenda.
Steve Woods Australia (Verified User) Posts 784 Dogs 1 / Races 0 03 Jul 2014 06:37
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Hi Nathan did you put to many zeros on that fine.
Years ago when the Buedesert shire existed and there's was no town plan regards to the keeping of dogs and they decided to bring in a dog kennles scheme,we'll those that had pre existing kennles had what was called VETTED RIGHTS which they had to establish with council but you ,by law ,where allowed to keep what ever they had prior to the town plan. I don't know if anything like that exist still or might effect what you guys are going through with councils up there. We didn't need to apply for kennles ,it was just proof of what we hadbefore the plan
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 03 Jul 2014 07:11
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Local Council are not identified in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900. Local Council are not identified in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act Proclaimed & Gazetted 1st January 1901. Local Council wish to gain constitutional recognition. Yet Local Council clearly operate in a manner that is contrary to both the intent and the actual rules of the Constitution and under treaties and statutory legislation that holds no Head of Power in the Peoples Constitutional contract and have not been approved by the People. A living, natural man or woman, who raises their hand to take a role in Local Council, is voted into that role to act on behalf of the other men and women contract-holders of the Commonwealth of Australia and inside the Charter / Constitution of the People. In that role, it is encumbent on each of those men and women to clearly understand the rules under which they will vote on issues. However, as Local Council is NOT a corporation formed through the Peoples rules, both the voters and those elected are being defrauded. Why then does local council want or even seek constitutional recognition considering they are acting already with the power they tell us they are seeking? In 1999 at referendum, the People of Australia, despite a republican push since 1972, refused to step out of their constitutional contract, refused to abandon their Charter / Constitution, and refused to become a republic. The people were not aware that the Australian Government were already preparing to operate under American civil law, a republican structure. Or that the states had already legislated republican agreement Bills in preparation for a Yes vote In effect, the People were not aware that what they assumed was their Parliament (their committee) had, without any discussion with the people, who were the share-holders and held a contract with them, created the form of government that the heads of government wanted for this country which is clearly in opposition to the rights of the People, or it would not have been created in deception. Our Committee, using a form of insider trading, created their own personal corporation and used our money to fund it. As it is very clear the People can not agree to the Federal Parliament or the State Parliaments being recognized constitutionally because obviously they are supposed to be already constitutional so the only corporate body left is Local Council. As the People have not been part of the formation of this Republican structure in any way, it cannot reflect the wishes of the People. You and I have no contract with this US registered corporation and its Intergovernmental bodies. No act is signed or sealed to our rules-book, no court order is signed by a commissioned under seal judge. Our jurisdiction is common law theirs is civil law bound to a republican country. Request. Show me your authority under the manner and form of the Peoples contract. Show me the individual wet-ink contract I signed with your corporation to form an individual contract I am bound by. After all, in the action of voting WITH and working for the Australian Parliament registered with the US Securities & Exchange Commission, the State Parliaments and Local Council, you are removing your civil and political rights and rights of equity too. And certainly those of your children. In simple terms either the Federal and State governments operate under the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution contract or they dont. If they dont they require individual, personalized contracts in order to enforce their legislation over the men and women.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 03 Jul 2014 07:17
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Dan Hollywood wrote:
grant thomas wrote:
So why have so many lost to the council/s in the courts...surely someones solicitor would bring up your points 'in law' to win for their client...???
Lawyers/Solicitors won't jeopardise their careers
Asheep thanks...I pay my rates etc, JUST LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHERS...and I get verballed...Thanks...
" Lawyers/Solicitors won't jeopardise their careers "...???
How would using the Laws of the Land to win...jeopardise them...???..if what your posting is 100% correct in law...
What are you actually saying...for ALL us sheep and laymen...???
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 03 Jul 2014 07:24
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Dan Hollywood wrote:
Local Council are not identified in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900. Local Council are not identified in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act Proclaimed & Gazetted 1st January 1901. Local Council wish to gain constitutional recognition. Yet Local Council clearly operate in a manner that is contrary to both the intent and the actual rules of the Constitution and under treaties and statutory legislation that holds no Head of Power in the Peoples Constitutional contract and have not been approved by the People. A living, natural man or woman, who raises their hand to take a role in Local Council, is voted into that role to act on behalf of the other men and women contract-holders of the Commonwealth of Australia and inside the Charter / Constitution of the People. In that role, it is encumbent on each of those men and women to clearly understand the rules under which they will vote on issues. However, as Local Council is NOT a corporation formed through the Peoples rules, both the voters and those elected are being defrauded. Why then does local council want or even seek constitutional recognition considering they are acting already with the power they tell us they are seeking? In 1999 at referendum, the People of Australia, despite a republican push since 1972, refused to step out of their constitutional contract, refused to abandon their Charter / Constitution, and refused to become a republic. The people were not aware that the Australian Government were already preparing to operate under American civil law, a republican structure. Or that the states had already legislated republican agreement Bills in preparation for a Yes vote In effect, the People were not aware that what they assumed was their Parliament (their committee) had, without any discussion with the people, who were the share-holders and held a contract with them, created the form of government that the heads of government wanted for this country which is clearly in opposition to the rights of the People, or it would not have been created in deception. Our Committee, using a form of insider trading, created their own personal corporation and used our money to fund it. As it is very clear the People can not agree to the Federal Parliament or the State Parliaments being recognized constitutionally because obviously they are supposed to be already constitutional so the only corporate body left is Local Council. As the People have not been part of the formation of this Republican structure in any way, it cannot reflect the wishes of the People. You and I have no contract with this US registered corporation and its Intergovernmental bodies. No act is signed or sealed to our rules-book, no court order is signed by a commissioned under seal judge. Our jurisdiction is common law theirs is civil law bound to a republican country. Request. Show me your authority under the manner and form of the Peoples contract. Show me the individual wet-ink contract I signed with your corporation to form an individual contract I am bound by. After all, in the action of voting WITH and working for the Australian Parliament registered with the US Securities & Exchange Commission, the State Parliaments and Local Council, you are removing your civil and political rights and rights of equity too. And certainly those of your children. In simple terms either the Federal and State governments operate under the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution contract or they dont. If they dont they require individual, personalized contracts in order to enforce their legislation over the men and women.
Dan are these words yours or hav eyou copied them...??
For me and dare I say MANY others...
" You and I have no contract with this US registered corporation and its Intergovernmental bodies. No act is signed or sealed to our rules-book, no court order is signed by a commissioned under seal judge. Our jurisdiction is common law theirs is civil law bound to a republican country. Request. Show me your authority under the manner and form of the Peoples contract. Show me the individual wet-ink contract I signed with your corporation to form an individual contract I am bound by. After all, in the action of voting WITH and working for the Australian Parliament registered with the US Securities & Exchange Commission, the State Parliaments and Local Council, you are removing your civil and political rights and rights of equity too "
That is just talking riddles...(Sorry I don't understand it)
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 03 Jul 2014 07:26
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Do you(Dan) pay ANY coucil fees and charges...Dump, rates, etc...
Steve Woods Australia (Verified User) Posts 784 Dogs 1 / Races 0 03 Jul 2014 07:34
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grant thomas wrote:
Dan Hollywood wrote:
Local Council are not identified in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900. Local Council are not identified in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act Proclaimed & Gazetted 1st January 1901. Local Council wish to gain constitutional recognition. Yet Local Council clearly operate in a manner that is contrary to both the intent and the actual rules of the Constitution and under treaties and statutory legislation that holds no Head of Power in the Peoples Constitutional contract and have not been approved by the People. A living, natural man or woman, who raises their hand to take a role in Local Council, is voted into that role to act on behalf of the other men and women contract-holders of the Commonwealth of Australia and inside the Charter / Constitution of the People. In that role, it is encumbent on each of those men and women to clearly understand the rules under which they will vote on issues. However, as Local Council is NOT a corporation formed through the Peoples rules, both the voters and those elected are being defrauded. Why then does local council want or even seek constitutional recognition considering they are acting already with the power they tell us they are seeking? In 1999 at referendum, the People of Australia, despite a republican push since 1972, refused to step out of their constitutional contract, refused to abandon their Charter / Constitution, and refused to become a republic. The people were not aware that the Australian Government were already preparing to operate under American civil law, a republican structure. Or that the states had already legislated republican agreement Bills in preparation for a Yes vote In effect, the People were not aware that what they assumed was their Parliament (their committee) had, without any discussion with the people, who were the share-holders and held a contract with them, created the form of government that the heads of government wanted for this country which is clearly in opposition to the rights of the People, or it would not have been created in deception. Our Committee, using a form of insider trading, created their own personal corporation and used our money to fund it. As it is very clear the People can not agree to the Federal Parliament or the State Parliaments being recognized constitutionally because obviously they are supposed to be already constitutional so the only corporate body left is Local Council. As the People have not been part of the formation of this Republican structure in any way, it cannot reflect the wishes of the People. You and I have no contract with this US registered corporation and its Intergovernmental bodies. No act is signed or sealed to our rules-book, no court order is signed by a commissioned under seal judge. Our jurisdiction is common law theirs is civil law bound to a republican country. Request. Show me your authority under the manner and form of the Peoples contract. Show me the individual wet-ink contract I signed with your corporation to form an individual contract I am bound by. After all, in the action of voting WITH and working for the Australian Parliament registered with the US Securities & Exchange Commission, the State Parliaments and Local Council, you are removing your civil and political rights and rights of equity too. And certainly those of your children. In simple terms either the Federal and State governments operate under the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution contract or they dont. If they dont they require individual, personalized contracts in order to enforce their legislation over the men and women.
Dan are these words yours or hav eyou copied them...??
For me and dare I say MANY others...
" You and I have no contract with this US registered corporation and its Intergovernmental bodies. No act is signed or sealed to our rules-book, no court order is signed by a commissioned under seal judge. Our jurisdiction is common law theirs is civil law bound to a republican country. Request. Show me your authority under the manner and form of the Peoples contract. Show me the individual wet-ink contract I signed with your corporation to form an individual contract I am bound by. After all, in the action of voting WITH and working for the Australian Parliament registered with the US Securities & Exchange Commission, the State Parliaments and Local Council, you are removing your civil and political rights and rights of equity too "
That is just talking riddles...(Sorry I don't understand it)
That all seems pretty clear to me Grant Ha ha ha ha ha like f###
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 03 Jul 2014 08:06
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Grant why not get yourself a copy of the Australian Constitution, that is from where our laws are made, every household should have one. Grant did you vote in favour of councils seeking constitutional recognition back in the late eighties, because if you did you may remember that your vote was defeated by all states and a majority of constituents in every state voting in the negative. Do you understand what that means, it means councils DO not have authority as defined in the constitute
Grant these are the referendums decided by the people of the commonwealth. The constitution recognises two forms of government who have the authority to make laws in good governance to set taxes, fee's and fines etc. Im afraid Council are not included and are fraudulently taking everyone for a ride.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
