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David McGrath Ireland (Verified User) Posts 978 Dogs 47 / Races 4 27 Aug 2014 20:59
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Michael, Brett Lee had only three litters in Ireland in 2012
In one litter he has produced the top early paced dog in Ireland, Laughill Blake who is currently the favourite for the Irish Derby with three rounds to go, another dog Laughill Bolt who was 7/4 favourite for the biggest Unraced Stake Final of the year in Clonmel in January and who has run an AA0 this month for the 550 at Shelbourne.
Also in that litter he has a bitch who has won the last three of her only four races and a dog that has done an S0 time for the sprint.
In the second litter of mainly staying type dogs, he has produced a 28.38 AAO winner at Shelbourne in Slippery Fred and Fane Jaydeeque, a 28.81 first round winner of the Top Unraced Bitch Stake in the country where she sustained an injury and could not run in the second round.
His third litter was a one bitch pup litter and she has won two of her four races breaking 29 secs at Cork.
In 2011, from 5 litters, he produced Tasmanic Jaxx, the Newbridge Oaks Winner, Badminton Girl, runner up in the Irish Oaks and the fastest ever bitch for the Sprint at Newbridge as well as holding the two fastest ever sectionals for a bitch from trap 6 in a race at Shelbourne.
That litter also included the winner of the Northern Ireland Gold Cup Final Work me Lord and another dog Teutonic Jaxx who was as fast as any of them in a straight line but whose career was marred by a persistent shoulder injury.
Of the other 34 Brett Lee Pups born in 2011 who raced in Ireland 14 were AO /S0 or AAO/ SS0 and 8 were A1 class.
These are simply stunning figures and no other dog at stud today can come even close to these success rates.
As far as I know he has only one 2013 litter in Ireland, to Kildallon Maid.
He is not cheap, but with him, you certainly have a good chance of getting what you pay for.
Michael Smyth Ireland (Verified User) Posts 969 Dogs 20 / Races 0 27 Aug 2014 21:17
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GERARD ONEILL wrote:
TOP HONCHO FOR ME MICHAEL NOT A FAN OF REPEATS
Me either gerard,but Headbound would be an exception to that rule for me
Nathan Moore United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 253 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Aug 2014 21:58
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im a fan of both and don't think you could go to far wrong with either but also would consider going to a pure irish dog. as far as I can see she is mostly irish so personally I would go this wa EXTERNAL LINK than could try one of these 2 to her later or one of her daughters
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 27 Aug 2014 22:03
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David McGrath wrote:
Michael, Brett Lee had only three litters in Ireland in 2012
In one litter he has produced the top early paced dog in Ireland, Laughill Blake who is currently the favourite for the Irish Derby with three rounds to go, another dog Laughill Bolt who was 7/4 favourite for the biggest Unraced Stake Final of the year in Clonmel in January and who has run an AA0 this month for the 550 at Shelbourne.
Also in that litter he has a bitch who has won the last three of her only four races and a dog that has done an S0 time for the sprint.
In the second litter of mainly staying type dogs, he has produced a 28.38 AAO winner at Shelbourne in Slippery Fred and Fane Jaydeeque, a 28.81 first round winner of the Top Unraced Bitch Stake in the country where she sustained an injury and could not run in the second round.
His third litter was a one bitch pup litter and she has won two of her four races breaking 29 secs at Cork.
In 2011, from 5 litters, he produced Tasmanic Jaxx, the Newbridge Oaks Winner, Badminton Girl, runner up in the Irish Oaks and the fastest ever bitch for the Sprint at Newbridge as well as holding the two fastest ever sectionals for a bitch from trap 6 in a race at Shelbourne.
That litter also included the winner of the Northern Ireland Gold Cup Final Work me Lord and another dog Teutonic Jaxx who was as fast as any of them in a straight line but whose career was marred by a persistent shoulder injury.
Of the other 34 Brett Lee Pups born in 2011 who raced in Ireland 14 were AO /S0 or AAO/ SS0 and 8 were A1 class.
These are simply stunning figures and no other dog at stud today can come even close to these success rates.
As far as I know he has only one 2013 litter in Ireland, to Kildallon Maid.
He is not cheap, but with him, you certainly have a good chance of getting what you pay for.
...and that's why I love Brett Lee.
Dean Townsend United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 2104 Dogs 19 / Races 0 27 Aug 2014 22:55
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lynda bonner wrote:
David McGrath wrote:
Michael, Brett Lee had only three litters in Ireland in 2012
In one litter he has produced the top early paced dog in Ireland, Laughill Blake who is currently the favourite for the Irish Derby with three rounds to go, another dog Laughill Bolt who was 7/4 favourite for the biggest Unraced Stake Final of the year in Clonmel in January and who has run an AA0 this month for the 550 at Shelbourne.
Also in that litter he has a bitch who has won the last three of her only four races and a dog that has done an S0 time for the sprint.
In the second litter of mainly staying type dogs, he has produced a 28.38 AAO winner at Shelbourne in Slippery Fred and Fane Jaydeeque, a 28.81 first round winner of the Top Unraced Bitch Stake in the country where she sustained an injury and could not run in the second round.
His third litter was a one bitch pup litter and she has won two of her four races breaking 29 secs at Cork.
In 2011, from 5 litters, he produced Tasmanic Jaxx, the Newbridge Oaks Winner, Badminton Girl, runner up in the Irish Oaks and the fastest ever bitch for the Sprint at Newbridge as well as holding the two fastest ever sectionals for a bitch from trap 6 in a race at Shelbourne.
That litter also included the winner of the Northern Ireland Gold Cup Final Work me Lord and another dog Teutonic Jaxx who was as fast as any of them in a straight line but whose career was marred by a persistent shoulder injury.
Of the other 34 Brett Lee Pups born in 2011 who raced in Ireland 14 were AO /S0 or AAO/ SS0 and 8 were A1 class.
These are simply stunning figures and no other dog at stud today can come even close to these success rates.
As far as I know he has only one 2013 litter in Ireland, to Kildallon Maid.
He is not cheap, but with him, you certainly have a good chance of getting what you pay for.
...and that's why I love Brett Lee.
Stunning, a no brainer when u see them facts. Would love to be in the postion to use him.
Def out off a headbound, BL and TH litters if I had a choice of a pup it would be brett lee
Michael Smyth Ireland (Verified User) Posts 969 Dogs 20 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 04:07
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Nathan Moore wrote:
im a fan of both and don't think you could go to far wrong with either but also would consider going to a pure irish dog. as far as I can see she is mostly irish so personally I would go this wa EXTERNAL LINK than could try one of these 2 to her later or one of her daughters
I've looked at PF and the hawk Nathan for this reason. Cheers
Michael Smyth Ireland (Verified User) Posts 969 Dogs 20 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 04:09
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Cheers David RAFA does like FACTS. Can't argue with them stats mate!
Wayne Osullivan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2414 Dogs 3 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 05:26
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Brett Lee would be my choice even though Top Honcho is a better stud dog, the SS line suits your line imo. but keep in mind a certain brood (pearl) repeated matings with plenty of success. Head bound would be my choice of the "normal" priced stud dogs followed up next by Crash.
Michael Smyth Ireland (Verified User) Posts 969 Dogs 20 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 05:41
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wayne osullivan wrote:
Brett Lee would be my choice even though Top Honcho is a better stud dog, the SS line suits your line imo. but keep in mind a certain brood (pearl) repeated matings with plenty of success. Head bound would be my choice of the "normal" priced stud dogs followed up next by Crash.
Pearl went back to kinloch brae a few times I was told but just didn't take. I've five little pearls at home that in the future would match well with kinloch brae. Rafas wee pet has produced pups faster than herself already so I think she will throw to any dog like pearl did. Fingers crossed Wayne.
Wayne Osullivan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2414 Dogs 3 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 05:50
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Go for Brett lee, believe it or not you would sell a BL pup for 4 to 5k (if you needed to) quicker than you would sell a pup for 1k of a top ten stud dog quality always sells.
Michael Smyth Ireland (Verified User) Posts 969 Dogs 20 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 06:39
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wayne osullivan wrote:
Go for Brett lee, believe it or not you would sell a BL pup for 4 to 5k (if you needed to) quicker than you would sell a pup for 1k of a top ten stud dog quality always sells.
Selling won't be an issue wayne the only thing that would put me off an old straw is the quality and the number of pups she might have. Apart from that it's the dream cross imo.
Paul Dillon (Verified User) Posts 291 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 07:45
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With the arrival of the new CEO it may be prudent to make yourself familiar with the rules that apply regarding the use of semen from deceased dogs EXTERNAL LINK . The current board have shown total disregard for all regulations but this board will have been replaced by the time your pups are ready to race. It is most unlikely that any board in the future will act in such a lawless manner. . People can argue the merits of the rule if they wish but that will be irrelevant to any ruling. The fact of the matter is the rule is there and nobody has the authority to break it. The rule may be changed in the future but this will not absolve breeding done while the current rule is in place. . The legal advice and the rules are quite clear.
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 28 Aug 2014 07:58
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paul dillon wrote:
With the arrival of the new CEO it may be prudent to make yourself familiar with the rules that apply regarding the use of semen from deceased dogs EXTERNAL LINK . The current board have shown total disregard for all regulations but this board will have been replaced by the time your pups are ready to race. It is most unlikely that any board in the future will act in such a lawless manner. . People can argue the merits of the rule if they wish but that will be irrelevant to any ruling. The fact of the matter is the rule is there and nobody has the authority to break it. The rule may be changed in the future but this will not absolve breeding done while the current rule is in place. . The legal advice and the rules are quite clear.
Hi Paul, your comments are spot on. There is always a niggling doubt in the back of my mind that the rules could be enforced at any point. I would hope there would be a window period of approx 2 years to allow people to adjust from the current custom and practice and allow time for people to either register current matings or sell straws from long deceased dogs.
Michael Smyth Ireland (Verified User) Posts 969 Dogs 20 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 07:58
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paul dillon wrote:
With the arrival of the new CEO it may be prudent to make yourself familiar with the rules that apply regarding the use of semen from deceased dogs EXTERNAL LINK . The current board have shown total disregard for all regulations but this board will have been replaced by the time your pups are ready to race. It is most unlikely that any board in the future will act in such a lawless manner. . People can argue the merits of the rule if they wish but that will be irrelevant to any ruling. The fact of the matter is the rule is there and nobody has the authority to break it. The rule may be changed in the future but this will not absolve breeding done while the current rule is in place. . The legal advice and the rules are quite clear.
In other words take advantage of this now Paul...
Paul Dillon (Verified User) Posts 291 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 08:14
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Sorry Michael you have misunderstood what I said. . The rules are quite clear. The IGB is within their rights to enforce the rule today if it decides to do so. If it does enforce the rule there will be dogs taken out of the Derby as there is dogs in breach of the rules running in the Derby. . I will not advise you or anyone else what stud dog to choose but people in the game should understand the risk they take when they break any rule. .
Michael Smyth Ireland (Verified User) Posts 969 Dogs 20 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 11:17
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paul dillon wrote:
Sorry Michael you have misunderstood what I said. . The rules are quite clear. The IGB is within their rights to enforce the rule today if it decides to do so. If it does enforce the rule there will be dogs taken out of the Derby as there is dogs in breach of the rules running in the Derby. . I will not advise you or anyone else what stud dog to choose but people in the game should understand the risk they take when they break any rule. .
Understand Paul. I remember coming across the issue years ago breeding greatdanes. Is it only in Ireland or can the UK that this rule can be enforced?
Paul Dillon (Verified User) Posts 291 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 14:18
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The IGB can only apply this rule to dogs racing in Ireland. It does not matter if they were born in the UK, the rule still applies.
. Like the stanozolol, there will be no change while the 5 gombeens still sit on the Board.
Michael Smyth Ireland (Verified User) Posts 969 Dogs 20 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 18:39
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paul dillon wrote:
The IGB can only apply this rule to dogs racing in Ireland. It does not matter if they were born in the UK, the rule still applies.
. Like the stanozolol, there will be no change while the 5 gombeens still sit on the Board.
So we can win an English derby ok but not an Irish derby.. Joking aside there is a cut off point that they've turned a blind eye to.
Paul Dillon (Verified User) Posts 291 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Aug 2014 19:39
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The "cut off point" that you mention will be when the 5 gombeens are gone. .
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
