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James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 03 Dec 2014 05:01
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Is this going to affect the hobbyist or commercial breeder?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 03 Dec 2014 05:03
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Paul Horig wrote:
Industry statistics show most brood bitches have one to three litters in their lifetime. Only 13.5% of all bitches have a fourth litter and less than 6% have five or more litters.
Stat's show HUMANS have 2.5 children on average.....But no one is stopping them from r00ting like rabbits & having 6 if they CHOOSE.
It's up to the individual.
That stat doesn't hold a cup full of cat p1$$.
It means NOTHING.
Paul Horig Bahamas (Verified User) Posts 222 Dogs 10 / Races 0 03 Dec 2014 05:07
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"The establishment of a National Breeding Review Panel which will decide whether a brood bitch who has had three litters is allowed to be mated with for a fourth or subsequent time"
You wouldn't want to be offside with someone on the panel.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 03 Dec 2014 05:13
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Of course a panel should be allowed to go over your breedings i really dont see a problem.If you are breeding reasonable dogs you wont have a problem if you are breeding a bitch that isnt throwing winners than of course someone in the future may question the reasons why.Same as breaking in and rearing establishments some quality control is unavoidable.I wait to there last litter are ready to race to breed again even after they have shown something on a previous litter its just common sense.But i guess if you are selling pups of track performed bitches before there previous has hit the track than yeah this may be a pain..
Graham Sheather Australia (Verified User) Posts 4867 Dogs 2 / Races 3 03 Dec 2014 05:14
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Very few brood bitches whelp litters after the age of seven.
What a load of absolute rubbish. Looks like the overseas contingent will be rubbing their hands together they will be getting some very cheap stud dogs that are not getting bitches because there wont be enough bitches to go around. Thus said it will effect a lot of stud masters that will impinge on there livelihood so im tipping there will be a shit fight there. Good on you Greyhounds Australasia well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Graham Sheather Australia (Verified User) Posts 4867 Dogs 2 / Races 3 03 Dec 2014 05:15
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james saunders wrote:
Of course a panel should be allowed to go over your breedings i really dont see a problem.If you are breeding reasonable dogs you wont have a problem if you are breeding a bitch that isnt throwing winners than of course someone in the future may question the reasons why.Same as breaking in and rearing establishments some quality control is unavoidable.I wait to there last litter are ready to race to breed again even after they have shown something on a previous litter its just common sense.But i guess if you are selling pups of track performed bitches before there previous has hit the track than yeah this may be a pain..
Common sense isn't it????
Paul Horig Bahamas (Verified User) Posts 222 Dogs 10 / Races 0 03 Dec 2014 05:19
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The authorities should stick to what they are good at.
When someone works that out could they let them know.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 03 Dec 2014 05:20
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Don't get me wrong.
I happy to COMPLY with changes to improve the industry..... but ATTACKING the industry us brutal as what is being suggested is simply crazy.
I mean those breeders that have EXPERIENCE, can make their OWN RIGHTFUL DECISION without having some PEN PUSHER sticking their nose in.
Work in the edges of the industry & clean up those that are dragging the chain, before you go RIPPING the HEART & SOLE out of those that have CREDIBILITY.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 03 Dec 2014 05:24
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Paul Horig wrote:
"The establishment of a National Breeding Review Panel which will decide whether a brood bitch who has had three litters is allowed to be mated with for a fourth or subsequent time"
You wouldn't want to be offside with someone on the panel.
Thanks for the tip Paul..... But it's called constructive criticism. I'm sure their reading. They all do.
Adrian Dowdle Australia (Verified User) Posts 113 Dogs 7 / Races 9 03 Dec 2014 05:39
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Maybe there should also be some guidance on
1. The standard of male dogs that are allowed to be at Stud
2. Periodic examination of the stud's progeny's performance to assess whether the stud should be allowed to remain at stud. I don't see a point in restricting bitches, when there are also sires being marketed that can't throw a winner to save themselves.
3.Registration of Vets with GA
including some points like:
1. All Vets who provide breeding services for greyhounds to be registered with Greyhounds Australasia, be bound by their code of practice and pay a registration fee per annum and also provide evidence of CPD per annum to remain registered
2. Maximum amount a vet can charge for an Implant
3. Maximum amounts a vet can charge for progesterone test
4. Maximum amount a vet can charge for the whole service including boarding i.e. a package deal
4. Rights the bitch owner and the stud owner have when a bitch misses
5. A code of practice and rules that apply to all frozen semen sales from both stud masters and private third parties alike.
I am sure there are other points but these just off the top of my head
If its going to be heavily regulated it should apply to all parties involved in the process, not target the party that wears the highest costs i.e. broodbitch owners and breeders of greyhounds
EXACTLY great post.
There are some vets that just charge as they like, the variations on procedure's like caesarean for example can vary by 100% some charge 800 some charge 1800...its a joke.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 03 Dec 2014 05:51
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Its just further evidence of eventual regulation,something in most areas is overdue.Graham id be more concerned if i was you if they bought the duplicate regulations on stud dogs.lol
Paul Horig Bahamas (Verified User) Posts 222 Dogs 10 / Races 0 03 Dec 2014 05:54
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steven martin wrote:
Don't get me wrong.
I happy to COMPLY with changes to improve the industry..... but ATTACKING the industry us brutal as what is being suggested is simply crazy.
I mean those breeders that have EXPERIENCE, can make their OWN RIGHTFUL DECISION without having some PEN PUSHER sticking their nose in.
Work in the edges of the industry & clean up those that are dragging the chain, before you go RIPPING the HEART & SOLE out of those that have CREDIBILITY.
Spot on Steve. I doubt if they even know what the problem is.
Michael Eberand Australia (Verified User) Posts 845 Dogs 3 / Races 0 03 Dec 2014 06:17
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steven martin wrote:
Paul Horig wrote:
A new rule limiting the frequency of litters for an individual brood bitch to two litters in any 18 month period
I can see this rule upsetting the APPLE-CART in a big way. This would have to be the silliest rule EVER DISCUSSED by the table of white collars. They obviously have an agenda, & that's to reduces litter......& reduce litters IMMEDIATELY.
- took a bitch to Colyten today to check her over (i thought it the responsible thing to do) before mating . I said to Chris (vet) that this will be her third litter in succession , her eldest 16 months old and youngest 7 months . Chris knows her medical history.
Chris found her in good health.
Why shouldn't I breed with her ? Her first pups look good , she is fit and well , and if I wait 6 months who knows she could get bitten by a snake . She is a a uality bitch and I will breed . This is the bit I will be objecting too.. If there are concerns then it should be subject to vet examination, not prohibited.
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 03 Dec 2014 06:43
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Paul Horig wrote:
"The establishment of a National Breeding Review Panel which will decide whether a brood bitch who has had three litters is allowed to be mated with for a fourth or subsequent time"
You wouldn't want to be offside with someone on the panel.
Exactly my point
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 03 Dec 2014 07:06
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I called both GRNSW and Greyhounds Australasia for clarification on brood bitches.
1) a brood bitch that is 8 years and above the vet clearance is only to determine if she is physically able to have additional litters of pups e.g. able to stand etc.
2) the need for a vet clearance for a 4th litter will be health based (is she physically well enough to have more puppies) and the second part will be the amount of pups she has had and how many of them have made the track.
Now one question i put to them was if pups are injured in the paddock or injured when a pup is preparing to race is will these factors be taken into account and the response was yes (if there is records of pups retired or have passed due to injury or illness which have prevented them from making the track)
Every breeder now will be well advised to take care of who they sell pups to and keep records of what happens to those pups along the way, also immediately after sale of pups send in a notice of disposal to grnsw or grv.
I asked greyhounds Australasia if they are going to scrutinize over a stud dogs abilities to throw as well and they said they are not (i highlighted the flaw in not holding stud dogs accountable as well and they said its the responsibility of the breeders to know those before mating the litter.
I suggest if people want to supply their thoughts or feedabck tbey should do so formally i writing.
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 03 Dec 2014 07:14
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Every breeder now will be well advised to take care of who they sell pups to and keep records of what happens to those pups along the way
This is the crux of the problem & evident in society in general.
Why do I or anyone else have to take responsibility for someone else's actions???
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 03 Dec 2014 07:23
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Unfortunately glenn the buck stops with the breeder as far as governing bodies see it i guess, but at the very least the breeder is protecting their investment and covering their own backside by keeping such records and taking such care.
I refused the sale of two pups to a buyer because they were being reared by a particular person we all know. Even though i could have used the $3500 i put the welfare of pups first (didn't change the end result though)
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 03 Dec 2014 07:34
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As I said earlier Sean. This is the first step. Rearers will be next then trainers. Pushing out the part timers... Less participants, more big kennels/owners, less paperwork for bureaucrats.
Don't forget , this was the vision of the current CEO of Mexico when he was in NSW. Guess whose driving the changes & which state is the strictest of all when it comes to breeders & part timers??....pity they aren't real flash on nabbing the big boys for positives.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 03 Dec 2014 07:40
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The paperwork and the blueprint for licencing for rearers has been out for a while
That is one area that does need some regulation, but not that dumb rule where there are 2 dogs to a run that is big enough to house a herd of elephants
Vicki Prest Australia (Verified User) Posts 385 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Dec 2014 08:04
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I bred with a 10 year old but a healthy 10 year old,had 8,the stud master rang to tell me there would be no refund if she did not get in pup,because of her age,his stud dog was older than my girl.They are all going great.The only thing is the fee's,once you pay for the DNA,as far as I'm concerned that is registering a brood bitch.So are they going to double up.I think it is all about the money.The big kennels are probably the ones that should be looked into but we know that won't happen.If we all send feedback,I wonder if they will heed participants ideas or just go ahead with it,I will be giving them my thoughts,maybe a waste of time,though.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
