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Bernard John Duffy Australia (Verified User) Posts 8052 Dogs 28 / Races 8 11 Mar 2015 16:57
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Update :
WHAT VICTORIA'S RACING INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER WANTS REGARDING LIVE BAITING: * Increased powers for animal welfare staff. * Close loophole where suspended trainers transfer greyhounds to relative or another on their property. * Regulation of greyhound training. * Alternative methods for training, eg: "run on" and "hoop" lures. * GRV work closer with RSPCA. * Racing greyhounds on national register from breeding until retirement or death. * One independent integrity unit for all three racing codes (greyhounds, thoroughbred and harness). CHIEF VETERINARY OFFICER'S INQUIRY SHOWS: * Gaps in enforcement of animal welfare codes and standards. * Need for review of full life of greyhounds. GREYHOUND RACING VICTORIA'S NEW BOARD: * Chair Ray Gunston - former Essendon Football Club interim CEO, former Tatts Group chief financial officer * Ken Lay - former Victoria Police chief commissioner * Judith Bornstein - Melbourne barrister, former Industrial Relations Commission of Victoria commissioner.
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 12 Mar 2015 05:14
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I agree with most of the Commission's Terms of Reference but can someone tell me what's involved in a 'run on' or 'hoop' lure?
I hope the Commission realises that we are training racing greyhounds and not jack russels climbing stairs or running through plastic tunnels?
I certainly hope that the use of a 'carcass' on a lure does not remain on the no no list of things to do. Whatever the image they envisage for the sport, they have to be reminded that it is not illegal to use a dead rabbit on the arm
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1439 Dogs 24 / Races 126 12 Mar 2015 05:21
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Does anyone really truely think state racing bodies care if we have fast dogs chase dead rabbits or slow dogs chase plastic toys or vice versa ?
I think not. They just want dogs to race for punters to bet irrespective of quality or times.
Could be wrong just my thoughts during these testing times
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 12 Mar 2015 05:22
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Joe
The GRNSW put out a press release this week disallowing it
Only professionally tanned skins or hides can be used
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 12 Mar 2015 05:27
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Saw that Sandro. I think that it's about time we stood up as a collective and put it to GRNSW that the banning of a carcass is not negotiable. I for one will be at the Richmond Forum and intend to make it clear to him.
Hope you will join me there.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 12 Mar 2015 06:57
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I am unsure if any one else has posted this link but it is ... Worth watching ...
Hellen Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 3217 Dogs 6 / Races 26 12 Mar 2015 07:16
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And Back said it all really. If the footage was given to the relevant authorities, they could of acted a lot earlier. Thank you first mate, we have plugged the hole in the sinking ship. Full speed ahead. Cheers. ps you should note the majority of trainers caught are not your everyday T3 to grade 5 trainers and some very influential people have stated they knew nothing of this behavior in the ranks. I find that strange seeming it was from one end of the East Coast to the other that these events have been filmed.There is more than meets the eye, Moriarty!
Brad Napper Australia (Verified User) Posts 937 Dogs 1 / Races 2 12 Mar 2015 08:04
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Joe Baldacchino wrote:
I agree with most of the Commission's Terms of Reference but can someone tell me what's involved in a 'run on' or 'hoop' lure?
I hope the Commission realises that we are training racing greyhounds and not jack russels climbing stairs or running through plastic tunnels?
I certainly hope that the use of a 'carcass' on a lure does not remain on the no no list of things to do. Whatever the image they envisage for the sport, they have to be reminded that it is not illegal to use a dead rabbit on the arm
Joe i believe that its become a Ga rule and asxsuch all states are implementing the no carcass rule.
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 12 Mar 2015 08:29
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kevin wright wrote:
I am unsure if any one else has posted this link but it is ... Worth watching ...
Steve Bennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 697 Dogs 11 / Races 2 12 Mar 2015 10:14
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Here we go guys a p plate driver was spotted with a litter of pups near kurri kurri bashing them against a tree and the driver passing by rang the rspca, will tell you more as it comes to hand, but were is 4 stinking corners when you need them.NO GREYHOUNDS TO BE SEEN.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 12 Mar 2015 10:15
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A politician with common sense and good policy - I was begining to think they didn't exist. Does anyone know if this bill was passed.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 12 Mar 2015 10:36
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Anthony McVicker wrote:
Does anyone really truely think state racing bodies care if we have fast dogs chase dead rabbits or slow dogs chase plastic toys or vice versa ?
I think not. They just want dogs to race for punters to bet irrespective of quality or times.
Could be wrong just my thoughts during these testing times
in vicytoria there will not be dead rabits or gutter rabbits on any lure got it, if u wish to do it, be prepaired to have a life ban is this plain english or not,
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 12 Mar 2015 10:42
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And Mick we are allowed to use tanned skins professionly tanned but we could find a problem there also especially if they still use Arsenic...Gee they're shooting me down in flames I used to get a skin off my mate when he went roo shooting and I would salt it and tan it myself and make lures out of it ...
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 12 Mar 2015 11:09
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Anthony McVicker wrote:
Does anyone really truely think state racing bodies care if we have fast dogs chase dead rabbits or slow dogs chase plastic toys or vice versa ?
I think not. They just want dogs to race for punters to bet irrespective of quality or times.
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Absolutely - Totally Agree !!!! But isn't that their Job? They put on races and set the rules which try to create a reasonably equal playing field & try to provide a reasonably competitive outcome.
With this in mind, isn't it then the job of the participants is to get their dogs to go as fast as they can within the rules.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 12 Mar 2015 11:29
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Joe Baldacchino wrote:
Saw that Sandro. I think that it's about time we stood up as a collective and put it to GRNSW that the banning of a carcass is not negotiable. I for one will be at the Richmond Forum and intend to make it clear to him.
Hope you will join me there.
Joe you can make it clear as you like but I think you will be told to like it or lump it. The rules if ignored will lead to a life ban and more unwanted publicity. I think a better idea would be to get behind the FOL.
Casey Dargusch Australia (Verified User) Posts 348 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Mar 2015 11:49
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Qld rule is no animal or animal product to be used in the training of greyhounds. Ie skins of any kind. Only synthetic material. Boss of GA said that they plan to make this a national rule.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 12 Mar 2015 20:40
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casey dargusch wrote:
Qld rule is no animal or animal product to be used in the training of greyhounds. Ie skins of any kind. Only synthetic material. Boss of GA said that they plan to make this a national rule.
So it's a bit like marriage then Casey.
If it's furry.......Forget it.
Jeff Crawford Australia (Verified User) Posts 238 Dogs 12 / Races 0 12 Mar 2015 20:55
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casey dargusch wrote:
Qld rule is no animal or animal product to be used in the training of greyhounds. Ie skins of any kind. Only synthetic material. Boss of GA said that they plan to make this a national rule.
Would that then include not being able to tie a sausage or piece of steak to a lure on an arm, given these are animal products????
It's imperative that these pups/dogs are rewarded for their chase....why does a lion jump through a hoop on fire at a circus or a killer whale jump out of the water at a theme park......food reward....simple.
Steve Woods Australia (Verified User) Posts 784 Dogs 1 / Races 0 12 Mar 2015 21:14
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casey dargusch wrote:
Qld rule is no animal or animal product to be used in the training of greyhounds. Ie skins of any kind. Only synthetic material. Boss of GA said that they plan to make this a national rule.
Its a shame that when different states make local rules they can't confire with there counterparts in other states and come up with a rules wording that then could become a national rule easier.
In QLD the term for the lure construction is ARTIFICAL MATTER
In victoria the term used is SYNTHETIC MATERIAL
Now to look at them they are similar but there must be a difference that could be argued OTHERWISE USE THE SAME TERM GUYS
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 987 Dogs 16 / Races 44 12 Mar 2015 22:30
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
kevin wright wrote:
I am unsure if any one else has posted this link but it is ... Worth watching ...
If you have not watched this link I feel it is imperative that you do so. I believe personal should be brought to justice for failing to report criminal actions when it was first witnessed which allowed more animals to suffer. As the Senata Back said. It had little to do with the animals welfare. When it was reported it was stopped within hours. Those who failed to report the events are responsible for three months of cruelity being inflicted. They should be charged.
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