No one in this country breeds 1000 greyhounds pups or more a year that is absolute trash !

No one washes semen over eggs that is trash as well !

Everything else you are saying is rubbish as well ,there has always been litters with one stand out dog well before the introduction of frozen semen .

Who are the leading people in the field of breeding you claim are saying Frozen is no good ?
Because I here the exact opposite .

If you cannot breed a good dog don't blame Frozen , That is a load of crap !

Paw

perhaps if it wasnt so successful you may have a point ,, but with conception rates in the 90% range , that will never happen with natural matings,

we are very small breeders 2 litters a year perhaps 3 ,, all our mating are from frozen semen regardless whether the sire is local or import,

the good thing about frozen it allows planning in advance we buy semen that we know may not be required for years to come , but when that time arrives we are ready , its a painless effort , a couple of blood tests done in the lead up to implant, its done bitch home same day ,

our average has been around 6/7 pups per mating our most recent 8 pups ,

im also not sure about your claim that it produces/or can produce one good dog per litter while the rest is useless,

to me it seems quite hard to get a litter where all are equal in race performance, there always seems to be a star , or at least better than the others ,

its the way of the future JOHN you will just have to embrace it,

but id say if you ever bred a potential stud dog , you would be fiddling a different TUNE lol,
anyway keep up the good work john you are always controversial lol

That is my point if you don't like FAI don't use it , it is that simple.
We to have had good and bad pups from natural and frozen over the years , but I now find to many advantages in using frozen.

But for someone like John to come on here and quote absolute rubbish is just not on in my opinion

John a bit of advice ,get your facts wright before you go public trying to ram your silly ideas down peoples throats.

One fact is we breed about 300 pups a year and I am sure no one else breeds more than that in Aus .
We also have the highest % of pups whelped that get named and get to the track annually in this country and these figure were compiled by GRNSW around 90 % plus.

Paw

And this is because You have evolved and invested and have other stipulations which you follow, where as some others are still stuck in the 60's. I cant believe people come on this site and just bash.

Frozen has allowed so much more access to sires nationally and internationally and it is the biggest plus to breeding since AI.

Come on people evolve and if you cant afford it don't breed.

I must say that between 5 naturals and 6 frozens the main difference I have seen if there is any were that the naturals and fresh AI pups were more out going and keen from day dot, now this may be coincidental but no litter has been above 8 and the smallest was 2 pups and all pups were decent sized across the board, once again could be coincidental!

The frozens have all produced varying sizes of litters from 12-4 pups and were less impressive as pups but here is another interesting stat!

Out of all the litters where I cared for the bitches before and while in pup 4 of the 11 were some of the best looking litters and another 2 of the 11 were Whelped and the bitch cared for by non commercial Whelpers so at home like me the pups also looked the better of the 11 litters.

I could not make a determination of if frozen is more successful than natural or fresh AI, is more successful in producing genetically gifted pups beyond another, but for vitality of pups I see little differences but that may be because I out in more energy than someone that is doing it for a job!

Rearing is where it is vital and now I have a rearer that actually feeds as he says he does and you pay them to do well my pups look better than all other pups I've had reared else where and the success will eventually come at a greater level!

Good luck in your ventures. We can all HAPPILY move forward now......thank you.

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Good evening.

How many of our say top 20 money earners( could look at ALL other countries too) were from frozen...???

Natural services were easy, however, having a bitch going bonkers while the dog was "tied" did have its disadvantages. Some natural mating saw the dog "tied" inside the bitch for anytime from 10, 15, 20 minutes or longer. Some bitches just didn't want to be mated. We can relate to the then Studmasters that had their valuable stud dog out of action for up to six weeks all due to a maiden bitch that went berko. It didn't help that a lot of the then breeders were adverse to paying to have their bitched swabbed, & if necessary, paying for antibiotics to fix the problem.

In those days the timing of the mating were done by looking at the colour of the blood. Didn't miss too many but it wasn't exactly scientific. It got better as the ovulation of the bitch was assessed by observing the blood under the microscope and following the progress towards ovulation. Coupled with this was the introduction by Studmasters of natural AI. (Not recognised legally by the then authorities, but they had to change their opinion when good studs were achieving 98 % conception rate. )

This rate, or close to it, was obtained by multiple inseminations. This invariably consisted of a "heart starter", usually approx half to three quarters mil of fresh semen, followed by the main serve of anywhere from 2 mil to 4 mil 2 days later on the main day, followed by a top-up of half a ml 2 days after if the bitch hadn't gone off. It became apparent that anything over 3 mil on the main day was a waste. The down side of this was the; extremely distressed bitches that arrived by transport on over 40 degree days, and were ready to be served on arrival. What were her chances of conceiving? The bitches that arrived in poor condition, had open wounds, literally crawling with flees, or had gone off because they were sent too late. If you think that having up to 28 bitches in season in the kennels was good fun, you should try it sometime. AI was the perfect solution for Studmasters, and for those that didn't adhere to the " no swab-no service" regimen that came in. Then we, I believe, progressed.

When frozen semen was first heralded, & the trials undertaken at Sandown, it became apparent what the benefits were going to be. Breeders were going to be spoiled for choice of some of the worlds best bloodlines to strengthen their lines. It eliminated the need for their valuable broods to travel vast distances, including interstate, to obtain the sire of their choice. It virtually reduced missing out on your preferred sire as his semen would be available in most states as Facilities came on line. It appeared to be a win-win for everyone, or so I thought.

In the early days, several of the Studmasters & Breeders, wanting to learn more about this new system & the technology behind it, travelled to USA and undertook courses being run by Richy & Sharyn Conole of Camelot Farms. I was fortunate to have dinner with Richy & one the worlds most foremost authority on animal breeding, who worked out of A&M Univerity in Texas, and who had assisted the Canoles in perfecting their FS Extender. Several items were of interest. The Professor stated that because greyhound semen had a different ph to ordinary canine semen, difficulty was initially experienced in getting everything spot on. Also, that "bad" semen cannot fertilise an egg, and that there is no difference between frozen & fresh semen as far as results went. I took this world renown geneticist and animal reproduction expert at his word. Also explains why some in the early days tried to circumvent the system by using ordinary canine FS extender, however, the results made the authorities make the Camelot Farms system the one to use.

Ran into PAW & his brother at LA International while there, and had just missed Geof Collins, all who had been to Camelot Farms. Personally, having worked at the coal face for some time, I believe that his would be a boon for the industry. Many opposed it, including some Studmasters until they saw the benefits.

I think the initial drawbacks were the expense involved, however this has reduced with more vets & Facilities coming online. The Implant is a very easy procedure, with little stress being placed on the bitch. (Good facilities keep them under just enough to do the implant & they're usually coming out of it as they are removed from the table. Shortly afterwards they are up & wagging their tails). Like everyone says, it's a personal choice to use it or not, but, it's never going to go away & is already becoming the norm. I'm old fashioned & from a bygone era, but I can see the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Having seen Fernando strut his stuff, we're coming out of retirement and into the breeding again. (Using FS of course).

For those that don't know or didn't realize, Phil along with his wife Barbara owned & stood the greyhound legend "Head Honcho".

Much appreciated Phil, & thanks for posting your experiences from the other side of the fence.

Here is 'the list'...

SO...how many were from a 'natural' mating compared to frozen or frozen thawed and A.I.'d or fresh A.I.'d...???

I'm going to say...majority frozen or fresh A.I.'d...natural being the least used method...

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Jack that's a stat that anyone could have if they want to name them all maybe he names them all for taxation reasons.

Just the type of comment I would expect from an idiot !

Paw