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Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 23 Jun 2015 22:36
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Lol Kev - don't know how that song didn't make # 1 on the hit parade.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Jun 2015 08:21
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This is a highly debatable subject where there is really no right or wrong depending on which person you may discuss this with. I am a firm believer in the "old school" pure natural mating as God had intended. I like 2 see a stud K9 eagerly keen on a bitch that he has been presented with in the "sex yard" where he sniffs her freshly emptied urine on the grass near him. Then mounts & knots up into her like a old pro + I've witnessed a few "romantic" sires in my day that licks the bitch's ears while doing the business ! Ha Ha Ha. TRUE ! From our families experiences with breeding most of the natural services on our various broodies usually produced a fairly even litters allround & most of the progeny inherited most of the desired requirements all breeders aim 4 : ability , keenness , temperament etc etc on quite a few occasions + inherited a fair % of the broodies "genetics" which plays a major part as I believe a broodie throws around 70% of "herself" into her pups which is why being selective about what bitch 2 breed with is paramount as rarely have I seen superstars or champions stem from inferior bloodlines that only throw a hot K9 or 2 every 3 or so generations. So having a PROVEN , CONSISTENT , HIGH QUALITY producing maternal female trace heir line over many generations DEFINATELY helps 2 consistently breed & produce better quality K9's in the long term in my opinion + also keeps up the "faith" 2 continue spending BIG $'S on breeding , rearing & keeping 90% of your own stock like we do/ have done in the past. As we all know breeding is a VERY EXPENSIVE hobby indeed especially if you retain nearly all your pups, so a TOP SHELF broodline IS MANDATORY 2 achieve success in my book. As 4 "genetics" , this is a 6yr University degree course 2 learn 2 understand & grasp ALL the MILLIONS of topics involved in this highly skilled field 2 master , so no offence 2 anybody , I DON'T see any PHD'S in genetics under the names of ANY K9 trainer or breeder in this country , just K9 people who have a interest in the subject but only really have a very basic understanding of all the various complexities at work involved in this field of expertise. So I personally try 2 avoid AI , Frozen , Implants & stick 2 a pure natural mating if possible or dangle a juicy extra carrot in front of a studmaster 2 let the sire serve my bitch as God intended. I have a bitch due on in 2 mths that I have spent f-cking hours upon hours of pedigree "homework" 2 select who I 100% believe is the BEST sire 4 her but he is only advertised as having frozen only , but he hasn't served many bitch's so far & is well priced , so I will dangle a very juicy extra carrot 2 its studmaster so I can get the sire 2 serve her pure & natural. I totally understand all the major benefits 2 the entire breeding industry as a whole 2 have AI , FSI etc etc & stats are stats but THEY ARE NEVER INFALLIBLE but its just not 4 me but 4 others they don't have a problem with it & that's cool with me. Each 2 their own. Just my own opinions which plenty may find highly debatable in their eyes. Fond Regards & All the best 2 Everybody who breeds cos its a tough gig !
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 24 Jun 2015 10:47
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Steve just have a good read of Phil Pryors post .
You have your opinion and that's ok but the benefits achieved by using Frozen is far better for the whole of the Greyhound breed Worldwide.
We have the very best sires today from around the world and this is achieved through Frozen semen so to me it's a no brainer ...Frozen is the the only way ...
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Jun 2015 11:23
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kevin wright wrote:
Steve just have a good read of Phil Pryors post .
You have your opinion and that's ok but the benefits achieved by using Frozen is far better for the whole of the Greyhound breed Worldwide.
We have the very best sires today from around the world and this is achieved through Frozen semen so to me it's a no brainer ...Frozen is the the only way ...
I'm NOT here 2 argue with u or anybody else on this topic m8. If you read my post fully you will read that I 100% understand ALL the great benefits frozen etc etc provides 2 the breeding industry. I just prefer all pure & natural champ. Regards m8.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 24 Jun 2015 11:38
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Steve I am in agreeance with you. I prefer natural or fresh AI.
Yes you, I and others have a right to this opinion and the people whom prefer to promote frozen because it's easier and more profitable well that's their voice as well.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Jun 2015 11:41
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Hi Steve how's it with you well debate debate debate the breeder wants natural the sires owners want to let you buy 1/4 off or 1/5th of but never the lot it is much easier for the Guy that is handling the sire because says that they have the best system what an understatement when someone comes along and says we have the best sires in the world today from frozen semen of course we must have the best of because they won'nt and can't be bothered giving the breeder fresh semen.Someone put an external link up on here yesterday and of the millions of sperm that kicks off the journey very few make it to the destination it is aimed for.I will bet you from when this Frozen business kicked off there was no practical work done none at all there would have been no delving into the pitfalls the negatives into what the breed could and would eventually lose.We get 1 decent dog and weeeeee we have a champion a frozen champion another wrote where Space Star would make a great sire well there is a few genes there that one wouldn't want to get into their breed Gosford last nite a group1 winner in Chica Destacada against Ellas Got Class over 600m 2 different grades of dog 2 lots of genes 1 great race with the middle distance dog won the day over its pet dictance we use to get that type of race all the time before frozen came on board.Like I said and will always say it may alright to breed toy dogs etc but when you rely on genes to try to produce what you breed for leave it to mother nature she has and will always do a great job science may win the day occassionly but nature will eventually win the day not only that she has to fix sciences stuff ups when she is needed
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 24 Jun 2015 11:54
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John McAlister wrote:
Hi Steve how's it with you well debate debate debate the breeder wants natural the sires owners want to let you buy 1/4 off or 1/5th of but never the lot it is much easier for the Guy that is handling the sire because says that they have the best system what an understatement when someone comes along and says we have the best sires in the world today from frozen semen of course we must have the best of because they won'nt and can't be bothered giving the breeder fresh semen.Someone put an external link up on here yesterday and of the millions of sperm that kicks off the journey very few make it to the destination it is aimed for.I will bet you from when this Frozen business kicked off there was no practical work done none at all there would have been no delving into the pitfalls the negatives into what the breed could and would eventually lose.We get 1 decent dog and weeeeee we have a champion a frozen champion another wrote where Space Star would make a great sire well there is a few genes there that one wouldn't want to get into their breed Gosford last nite a group1 winner in Chica Destacada against Ellas Got Class over 600m 2 different grades of dog 2 lots of genes 1 great race with the middle distance dog won the day over its pet dictance we use to get that type of race all the time before frozen came on board.Like I said and will always say it may alright to breed toy dogs etc but when you rely on genes to try to produce what you breed for leave it to mother nature she has and will always do a great job science may win the day occassionly but nature will eventually win the day not only that she has to fix sciences stuff ups when she is needed
" We get 1 decent dog and weeeeee we have a champion a frozen champion "...
Which dog's that John...???
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Jun 2015 12:13
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John McAlister wrote:
Hi Steve how's it with you well debate debate debate the breeder wants natural the sires owners want to let you buy 1/4 off or 1/5th of but never the lot it is much easier for the Guy that is handling the sire because says that they have the best system what an understatement when someone comes along and says we have the best sires in the world today from frozen semen of course we must have the best of because they won'nt and can't be bothered giving the breeder fresh semen.Someone put an external link up on here yesterday and of the millions of sperm that kicks off the journey very few make it to the destination it is aimed for.I will bet you from when this Frozen business kicked off there was no practical work done none at all there would have been no delving into the pitfalls the negatives into what the breed could and would eventually lose.We get 1 decent dog and weeeeee we have a champion a frozen champion another wrote where Space Star would make a great sire well there is a few genes there that one wouldn't want to get into their breed Gosford last nite a group1 winner in Chica Destacada against Ellas Got Class over 600m 2 different grades of dog 2 lots of genes 1 great race with the middle distance dog won the day over its pet dictance we use to get that type of race all the time before frozen came on board.Like I said and will always say it may alright to breed toy dogs etc but when you rely on genes to try to produce what you breed for leave it to mother nature she has and will always do a great job science may win the day occassionly but nature will eventually win the day not only that she has to fix sciences stuff ups when she is needed
Hey Soss ! U know me. My comments & beliefs etc etc always seem 2 LIGHT OF FIRE under some people sometimes ! Ha Ha Ha. I just base EVERYTHING I post on my/families own personal experiences that's all & u would well know that eh m8. I have & always will say that EVERYBODY is certainly entitled 2 their own opinions. I DON'T twist anybodys arm in regards as 2 what 2 do cos they can please themselves in my book & so will I. At the end of the day its each individuals $'s being spent & I will spend my $ my way & anybody who tells me what 2 do can get f-cked ! Ha Ha Ha. I'll come out 2 your place 2morr about 1pm ok & check those lovely My Signature pups out again. SEE YAH !
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 24 Jun 2015 12:39
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John McAlister wrote:
Hi Steve how's it with you well debate debate debate the breeder wants natural the sires owners want to let you buy 1/4 off or 1/5th of but never the lot it is much easier for the Guy that is handling the sire because says that they have the best system what an understatement when someone comes along and says we have the best sires in the world today from frozen semen of course we must have the best of because they won'nt and can't be bothered giving the breeder fresh semen.Someone put an external link up on here yesterday and of the millions of sperm that kicks off the journey very few make it to the destination it is aimed for.I will bet you from when this Frozen business kicked off there was no practical work done none at all there would have been no delving into the pitfalls the negatives into what the breed could and would eventually lose.We get 1 decent dog and weeeeee we have a champion a frozen champion another wrote where Space Star would make a great sire well there is a few genes there that one wouldn't want to get into their breed Gosford last nite a group1 winner in Chica Destacada against Ellas Got Class over 600m 2 different grades of dog 2 lots of genes 1 great race with the middle distance dog won the day over its pet dictance we use to get that type of race all the time before frozen came on board.Like I said and will always say it may alright to breed toy dogs etc but when you rely on genes to try to produce what you breed for leave it to mother nature she has and will always do a great job science may win the day occassionly but nature will eventually win the day not only that she has to fix sciences stuff ups when she is needed
" another wrote where Space Star would make a great sire well there is a few genes there that one wouldn't want to get into their breed "
Prey tell John...which dog or bitch in say first 3 lines you talking about...???
Didn't we just learn you don't know what genes you are going to get...
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Jun 2015 13:32
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I'll let you work that out Grant you don't have to go back 3 generations that's for sure...don't get me wrong I do like watching him
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 24 Jun 2015 22:23
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Out of 100 Million sperm, you were the fastest
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 25 Jun 2015 01:09
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kevin wright wrote:
Out of 100 Million sperm, you were the fastest
AND....
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 25 Jun 2015 05:11
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steven martin wrote:
kevin wright wrote:
Out of 100 Million sperm, you were the fastest
AND....
I am sorry you did not get it Steve but it will Come to you shortly ..LOL
David Stojanov Australia (Verified User) Posts 195 Dogs 11 / Races 1 10 Aug 2020 06:20
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hi just checking on peoples thoughts on the smaller litters and misses of some studs out there, is there a way of getting the frozen tested before u buy , vets or stud masters please? who polices this dose a flag pop up to the authority saying there has been more then 10% or so misses or with lower then average litter sizes?
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 10 Aug 2020 08:59
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Not that it changes much once a straw is thawed because it's gonna be used anyway, but I'm pretty sure Sires on Ice and Colyton have a look under the microscope before inseminating.
And when a straw is drawn they have to look at it under the microscope before freezing to more or less see how many straws they can split the draw into to maximise profits because it cost the same vet fees for the studmaster whether a straw can be split into 2 or 8, the vet just charges a flat fee for their time and services
I was actually reading about this a little while ago, there's a loophole regarding the amount of swimmers pre thaw and post thaw. There's definitely some sires with worse names than other. It comes down to a number of factors including how greedy studmasters are regarding the amount of splits, age of sire, age of broodie, vet drawing straws, vet inseminating straws, handling transporting straws, person looking after the broodie while pregnant even
David Stojanov Australia (Verified User) Posts 195 Dogs 11 / Races 1 10 Aug 2020 09:56
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thanks matt what in your option rate as best stud master and vet for insemination, cause just looking at some litter stats there are a lot of smaller and non litters at a higher rate , so is it up to the vets to tell the authorities if the sperm is not upto the numbers required? or greyhound Australasia do there owe random inspections , my thing is if i buy a straw from a third party can i get it tested for potency before i buy?
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 10 Aug 2020 10:27
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I swear by Sires On Ice for inseminations but they can only work with the straws provided if it isn't from one of their stud dogs I think that's the biggest problem, I don't think there really is any regulations and you've just got to trust the studmasters and vets drawing straws are doing the right thing I don't think there is any way of checking the quality of a straw without thawing first
I really don't have any concrete ideas on who the best studmasters or vets are. Only advise I can give is look up a sires litter stats and ask the studmaster questions if there has been above average misses as to why
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
