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James Weise
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Hi all, just noticed today approx 6 Queensland trainers were charged, fined or reprimanded for transferring greyhounds to Duabi or China over the past few years without animal passports. Is this always been a rule and why do you need an animal passport? Have you always had to inform your racing board if
Your dogs are sent overseas? Cheers.



Jack Gatty
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23 Nov 2015 06:07


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I don't know but think they should be tapping into China as a potential huge opportunity to rehomed greyhounds as pets. China has become full of middle and upper class families and with clever marketing could be a great place for GAP dogs.


Anthony Jeffress
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23 Nov 2015 07:50


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If chasing up these sort of matters from 1-2 years ago is the biggest thing the Authorities have on their plates to "bust" a few people for, then we're probably tracking a lot better than a few have thought!

Interesting to see if GrNsw or Grv decides (or bothers) to try to follow suit, as word was going around the traps a while back suggesting that there was plenty of "international business" coming out of a couple of high profile, major kennels, and which would make Qld look like a blip on the radar.

And I wonder how many prominent sires widely known to have exited our shores had all their passports / paperwork in order? I'd be betting that PLENTY might have "slipped through the net".

But like I said, does / should anyone really care in any event? Weren't the "Doggy Passports" mostly a flagrant revenue raiser anyway?


James Weise
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23 Nov 2015 08:15


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Anthony Jeffress wrote:

If chasing up these sort of matters from 1-2 years ago is the biggest thing the Authorities have on their plates to "bust" a few people for, then we're probably tracking a lot better than a few have thought!

Interesting to see if GrNsw or Grv decides (or bothers) to try to follow suit, as word was going around the traps a while back suggesting that there was plenty of "international business" coming out of a couple of high profile, major kennels, and which would make Qld look like a blip on the radar.

And I wonder how many prominent sires widely known to have exited our shores had all their passports / paperwork in order? I'd be betting that PLENTY might have "slipped through the net".

But like I said, does / should anyone really care in any event? Weren't the "Doggy Passports" mostly a flagrant revenue raiser anyway?

Exactly what I was thinking. Are they just a revenue raiser?




Calum Andersen
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I think its a bit rough that all the people get repremandad except 1 and travis gets a $600 fine


Chris van Vegchel
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23 Nov 2015 18:49


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More red tape and authorities clutching at straws trying to exert their authority.
With the new free trade agreements with China I doubt they have a leg to stand on IMO.


Charles W Mizzi
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23 Nov 2015 20:27


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Jack Gatty wrote:

I don't know but think they should be tapping into China as a potential huge opportunity to rehomed greyhounds as pets. China has become full of middle and upper class families and with clever marketing could be a great place for GAP dogs.

Jack, thinking positive. Couple of things................1.the Asian Culture and way of thinking is totally different to ours and 2. they eat dogs in China.

I was there living the culture for three months in the middle nineties and even though times have changed culture always remains constant.

I would love to see photo's of the studs and other dogs that have been sent there for profit to see there living conditions. We have lost some really top class breeding stock.



Geoff Collins
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23 Nov 2015 21:08


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charles w mizzi wrote:

Jack, thinking positive. Couple of things................1.the Asian Culture and way of thinking is totally different to ours and 2. they eat dogs in China.

Charlie ... a couple of friends of mine have just come back from China and said that the VAST majority of Chinese don't eat dog and the small MINORITY that do, eat a dog bred specifically for that purpose ... they don't just go out into the street and nab the neighbour's pooch .. which seems to be the image conjured up when mentioning 'eating dogs'


Charles W Mizzi
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Thanks Geoff.....not wanting to conjure up anything. I experienced it first hand and many other things that concerned animals while I was there with a group of Aussie teens on a 2 month exchange.

Those teens are now in their thirties and still remember how the kangaroo's and other aussie animals were poorly treated so much so that they wrote to the consulate for action.

Just Googled "dog eating in China" Yuk Mid 2015 is when things might have slowed down or stopped. They had a dog eating festival!

And I am not saying our greys are being eaten......just that I hope they are living how we would keep ours here. Cheers



Jack Gatty
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Charles, China has become very rich very fast and there are alot of families that never had dogs in the past paying ridiculous prices for pet dogs. It has become a status symbol there and if marketed correctly we could fill a niche in the market in China for pet dogs.


Madeleine Ellis
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These comments leave me shaking my head in absolute disbelief that anyone can honestly contemplate rehoming greyhounds to China. Not only do the Chinese have human rights issues they absolutely without any doubt whatsoever have animal welfare issues. The disgusting, barbaric Yulin Dog Eating Festival is an annual event wherein thousands of dogs are tortured to death. Oh and try telling ordinary Chinese people that their missing pet dogs havent been snatched by the unscrupulous organisers of the Yulin Festival because it does happen and is well documented.

The passport to export registered greyhounds (note the word registered) to certain countries i.e. those countries that do not have animal welfare strategies in place, was instigated to try and stop our greyhounds being exported into an unknown future however, the passport ruling has failed 100%. The passports gaping loophole can only be eradicated by a Federal Government ruling which will not be happening any time soon




Jack Gatty
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23 Nov 2015 23:49


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Madeleine- your talking old China - there are hundreds of thousands of very rich Chinese paying really big bucks for pet dogs. They are not eating them. I agree China has human rights issue's but the neuvea rich would be paying a full-time keeper to dote on their pet. It has become a huge status symbol to Own a pet dog - not to eat them.


Madeleine Ellis
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Jack, I am not talking "old China". I am talking about current issues in China at the present time. The facts are plain, clear and simple. China has human rights issues. China has animal welfare issues. The Yulin Dog Eating Festival is an annual event. Dogs are tortured to death (and yes, some of the dogs stolen are greyhounds).

How very sad that all that can been seen when discussing the rehoming of greyhounds is the $ sign.


Geoff Collins
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To suggest that the Yulin Lychee and Dog Festival is an accurate reflection of todays China is ridiculous this from the International Business Times

Yulin Dog Meat Festival 2015: Chinese Increasingly Disinterested In Controversial Event by Michelle FlorCruz

Chinas annual dog meat festival, held every June, has drawn international criticism of the event, where thousands of dogs and cats are killed and eaten. The Yulin Dog Meat Festival, a summer solstice celebration held in southwest Chinas Guangxi province, though criticized most heavily by the West, has become less popular among Chinese as well.

Eating dog meat has never been a widespread tradition in China, limited almost strictly to a few cities in southern China. Still, for those who celebrate, holding the annual festival is an important enough tradition that organizers continue to hold the event despite calls from animal rights activists and even local governments that place restrictions on the event.

On Twitter, several celebrities and animal rights groups joined in using the hashtag #StopYulin2015 to send around a petition on Change.org calling for the governor of Guangxi province to stop this year's events. The Chinese social media platform Weibo found that the Chinese general public was also on the same page. A report by the Chinas official Communist Party newspaper, the Peoples Daily, found that #YulinDogMeatFestival was trending on Weibo, with more than 350,000 posts opposing the event, in addition to #SayNoToYulinDogMeatFestival.

Data provided by Chinas biggest search engine, Baidu, shows that interest in the festival has declined over the years. Searches for dog meat on the search engine have declined during the seven-day period preceding the annual event by 38 percent year on year. Similarly, searches for dog meat festival declined by 57 percent year on year, and other terms also associated with the event, like "how to cook it" and "when is the festival," have also declined.

Despite a general distaste for the festival, hundreds of traders gathered this past Sunday for the annual feast, where dog meat is still served traditionally with lychee fruit. Animal rights activists picketed the event and did their best to block streets, raid slaughterhouses and buy dogs that were still alive in an attempt to save them.

Though the slaughter and consumption of dog meat is not illegal in China, the decreased interest likely has to do with a couple factors: increased pet ownership and health officials speaking more outwardly of the health risks associated with consumption. A pet ownership boom in China has given way to an estimated 30 million households keeping dogs as pets, likely contributing to the festival's diminishing popularity. Rights groups say that the government has an obligation to step in and stop the festival on the grounds of health-related issues. Adam Parascandola, the director of animal cruelty issues at the Humane Society of the U.S., said in a statement that the festival is a total breach of Chinas very clear laws on animals for human consumption, adding that ignoring them is a form of flouting national laws.

The festival in Yulin began in 2009 among the citys dog traders. Similar events in other cities, like Jinhua, located in east Chinas Zhejiang province, cancelled their 600-year-old dog meat festival in 2011 after widespread criticism.




Anthony Jeffress
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So after reading through the Inquiry summaries, it appears as if 6 Qld participants have now been investigated; 2 of them for 'facilitating' an export to China; 2 of them to Macau; and then 2 to Dubai.

2 of the above have been issued monetary fines (Why? What's the real difference?); while the other 4 have in effect been let off with a warning / caution against further, similar 'breaches'.

And to 'correct' an earlier post, I note that some of these alleged 'breaches' "suddenly deemed as important" are stated to have occurred (wait for it!) "between 2007 - 2009"!!!

Yep, good to see our Integrity monies are being prudently spent (not!!!) .... and that the team sure was on the ball!

And therefore it begs the question: WHAT took so long to detect these alleged 'breaches'; and HOW (or from WHO) did the information suddenly become available?

Also, can anyone enlighten me: When were "Passports" first introduced; when were the "rules" updated making it an 'offence' to export without a Passport; and what other 'changes' in policy have since occurred? It might be very interesting to get a handle on these latter points.

The mind boggles ....




James Weise
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Anthony, my first thought was when they came around and did there kennel checks they asked the trainers in question; "where dog Miss Cody?" And Travis someone in question responded - sent to Dubai. That's how they found out if assume. Comes back to staying on trainers and owners informing the right authorities as soon as a dog has been rehomed, put down or transferred to new kennels/ overseas.



Howard Moshinsky
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KOREA IS KNOWN FOR THIS CUISINE ATROCITY

POSH IN TANG


James Weise
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Hi all. I'm more curious to why RQ weren't more on the ball with getting trainers, breeders and owners to inform the right authorities on their dogs where abouts as the dogs sent to Duabi and China we sold overseas for breeding not for someone's dinner. So could we stick to more on the reasoning for Raw fining people 3-8 years after the fact and it happening. Cheers James.


Mick Mellington
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James Weise wrote:

Hi all. I'm more curious to why RQ weren't more on the ball with getting trainers, breeders and owners to inform the right authorities on their dogs where abouts as the dogs sent to Duabi and China we sold overseas for breeding not for someone's dinner. So could we stick to more on the reasoning for Raw fining people 3-8 years after the fact and it happening. Cheers James.

JAMES. -- Your point is valid, however with all your good intentions of selling overseas for breeding the fact remains China and other Asian countries eat " dog " as part of their customary diet. Have done from " A " and will continue to do so until " Z ". That is just a " FACT THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED " In the FOOD CHAIN nothing is wasted in those Countries, so any animal that has it,s " USE BY DATE " up goes in " THE POT ".



Julie Edmondson
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Your right Chris there and nobody new of passports for dogs not written anywhere I saw ask Sam Cauchi he sell lots there for about last 7 yrs he would b the best to ask

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