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Hayden Goody Australia (Verified User) Posts 209 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Nov 2016 09:54
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Hasn't the theme since the whole live baiting debacle been using sires who are going to throw natural chase into their offspring, and then with the whole wastage situation with too many pups not making it to the track, why would you even risk breeding with a sire that literally has 3 tickets?
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 24 Nov 2016 10:48
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Spoken to the trainer, she is hoping to have him racing again in the near future. Brilliant dog so will be good to see him return
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 24 Nov 2016 10:58
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Q. Is there a fine line between 'chase' & 'aggression'?
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 24 Nov 2016 19:03
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Rob Horne wrote:
Q. Is there a fine line between 'chase' & 'aggression'?
Depends what the dog minds on...... bunny or another dog.
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 24 Nov 2016 20:19
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Have they tried blinkers?
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 1896 Dogs 22 / Races 1 24 Nov 2016 20:49
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Terry Jordan wrote:
Paul Jennings wrote:
If a dog like this was at stud in Ireland he wouldn't get any bitches even if he was free. Breeding dogs like this is what leads to Melbourne Cup finals with only 3 dogs actually chasing.
Paul: So dogs don't Mar (fight) in Ireland? you can breed it out of them? WoW
Terry that's not what Paul said mate. I think he was suggesting that breeding with dogs that mar or fight gives you a greater chance of producing more dogs that mar or fight. People used Surgeon as well overlooking his chase issues and he was disappointing regardless of his undoubted speed. This fellas got a nice pedigree for mine but I'll do the same as I did with Surgeon and watch his results before I would think of using him. I knows there's others that will be happy to give him a try though.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Nov 2016 22:24
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Doug Taylor wrote:
Terry Jordan wrote:
Paul Jennings wrote:
If a dog like this was at stud in Ireland he wouldn't get any bitches even if he was free. Breeding dogs like this is what leads to Melbourne Cup finals with only 3 dogs actually chasing.
Paul: So dogs don't Mar (fight) in Ireland? you can breed it out of them? WoW
Terry that's not what Paul said mate. I think he was suggesting that breeding with dogs that mar or fight gives you a greater chance of producing more dogs that mar or fight. People used Surgeon as well overlooking his chase issues and he was disappointing regardless of his undoubted speed. This fellas got a nice pedigree for mine but I'll do the same as I did with Surgeon and watch his results before I would think of using him. I knows there's others that will be happy to give him a try though.
Doug: The sad fact is we have so many Group races back to back to back, these top trainers rarely own these dogs, and try and maximise there earnings. With very few let up's hence the tired sore dogs on Friday. Nothing to do with what Paul was inferring. I don't think fighting is an inherited gene! BTW Fear Zafonic has his share of fighters in Oz
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 25 Nov 2016 22:43
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A dog gets 3 tickets for marring and most of us reckon he shouldn't get another chance? Maybe fair enough, maybe harsh?
What about a dog that gets out fast and turns hard right every friggin start? The bloke drawn to his right scratches because he knows his dog will be cannoned into. 2 favourites out wide get massive interference in a major race, one of them gets a 10 day injury. Yet this dog will line up again next week somewhere.
What do we do with this dog?
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Nov 2016 23:19
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
A dog gets 3 tickets for marring and most of us reckon he shouldn't get another chance? Maybe fair enough, maybe harsh?
What about a dog that gets out fast and turns hard right every friggin start? The bloke drawn to his right scratches because he knows his dog will be cannoned into. 2 favourites out wide get massive interference in a major race, one of them gets a 10 day injury. Yet this dog will line up again next week somewhere.
What do we do with this dog?
Well Quinny they are talking about Pref Box seeding! will that work? Doubt it! Turns hard right? Send to NSW reverse way of going, sorry only horses. Food for thought Why do we only race one way? putting all that stress on only one side of the Dog? Welfare issue? Inside outside lures change every 2 weeks? Costly, need not worry Quinny The Alliance will have all the answers,(Just wont tell us). BTW Had a dog race in Qld several years ago named Raudonakis, got 3 tickets outted 12 months, bought him back and raced, now that is perseverance! alas it did it again.
Paul Jennings Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2389 Dogs 1 / Races 0 26 Nov 2016 00:15
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Terry Jordan wrote:
Doug Taylor wrote:
Terry Jordan wrote:
Paul Jennings wrote:
If a dog like this was at stud in Ireland he wouldn't get any bitches even if he was free. Breeding dogs like this is what leads to Melbourne Cup finals with only 3 dogs actually chasing.
Paul: So dogs don't Mar (fight) in Ireland? you can breed it out of them? WoW
Terry that's not what Paul said mate. I think he was suggesting that breeding with dogs that mar or fight gives you a greater chance of producing more dogs that mar or fight. People used Surgeon as well overlooking his chase issues and he was disappointing regardless of his undoubted speed. This fellas got a nice pedigree for mine but I'll do the same as I did with Surgeon and watch his results before I would think of using him. I knows there's others that will be happy to give him a try though.
Doug: The sad fact is we have so many Group races back to back to back, these top trainers rarely own these dogs, and try and maximise there earnings. With very few let up's hence the tired sore dogs on Friday. Nothing to do with what Paul was inferring. I don't think fighting is an inherited gene! BTW Fear Zafonic has his share of fighters in Oz
Do you think pace is an inherited gene?
Maybe 4 or 5 round stakes are the way to go and see how many are still chasing by the time they get to the final. It's easy to train a dog to do flash runs for one or two nights.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Nov 2016 01:15
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If it's that easy Paul, perhaps you could try! plenty of good prizemoney on offer. What happened to Delores Ruth? wasn't she to begin a satellite organisation, 6 months Nth. Hemisphere and 6 South
Young Tom Dovavan is making a good fist of training out here! perhaps Paul you could contact him, and find out how hard it is to win here. Paul you didn't read my post well, these dogs are backing up week after week in Top grade races. Like I said Paul Gr1 races back to back would take to long 4/5 heats, semi's etc Do the Best dogs always win these 4/5 round stakes? Last Dog standing! Does luck figure? Do you think pace is an inherited gene. Yes, So is colour! But put the Fastest dog in the world, over the fastest bitch, Paul wont guarantee you champions. Been tried! Haven't seen any proof that dogs are born fighters. Are Tigers and Lions born killers? Never heard a trainer state to stewards, my dog fought because it's sire, or grand sire did. Over to you
Russ Forno Australia (Verified User) Posts 274 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Nov 2016 11:25
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First two offences (watch) hardly done by!!! In my opinion, marring first time was Melb Cup, .o5 sec had a quiet look.
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 28 Nov 2016 23:51
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Craig Andrews wrote:
Spoken to the trainer, she is hoping to have him racing again in the near future. Brilliant dog so will be good to see him return
"The greyhound 'Jesaulenko' has been charged with marring at Sandown on 18 November 2016. Ms. Morris has appealed and the appeal will be heard on Monday, 28 November, at 10am. The RADB dismissed the appeal."
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 29 Nov 2016 00:55
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ian bradshaw wrote:
Craig Andrews wrote:
Spoken to the trainer, she is hoping to have him racing again in the near future. Brilliant dog so will be good to see him return
"The greyhound 'Jesaulenko' has been charged with marring at Sandown on 18 November 2016. Ms. Morris has appealed and the appeal will be heard on Monday, 28 November, at 10am. The RADB dismissed the appeal."
The rest will do him the world of good, especially a change in kennel routine. Will come back and explode to win several more races. However will be under the Microscope every start. To good to retire.
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 29 Nov 2016 04:35
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an interesting aside to the appeal process is that the RADB gave weight to evidence from 2 "experienced stewards" who viewed the race from the stands. thus evidence of course supported the marring charge. imagine if they let the crowd umpire a game of football
Richard Gray Australia (Verified User) Posts 2231 Dogs 11 / Races 9 05 Dec 2016 22:47
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Looking forward to watching Jesaulenko go around over the next couple of weeks.
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 18 Dec 2016 09:09
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good old fashioned country music played at sale not like at sandown and he blitzed them5
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 18 Dec 2016 09:18
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3 lengths off the record. Blistering.
Bradley Miller Australia (Verified User) Posts 82 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Mar 2017 04:15
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I see Jesaulenko is registered as a stud dog now what are people's thoughts on this? Will people look to use him? Does anyone know what prices a straw is?
Bradley Miller Australia (Verified User) Posts 82 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Mar 2017 05:46
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I see Jesaulenko is registered as a stud dog now what are people's thoughts on this? Will his wrap sheet have an impact on the numbers of bitches that go to him? Does anyone know what prices a straw is?
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
