Nashville Bale won the first at The Meadows (ex Dyna Uni)

So plenty more city winning litters that need mentioning!

The Daily's imported My Ethanol from the US. I'm not sure if she raced over there or not. But why would they go to the trouble and expense to get her over here if she didn't have ability? Likewise they don't breed with anything but quality bitches.

He is only on 17% on the Greyhound Recorder stats at the moment. Which is very ordinary for a new sire (New to Australia that is). I've mentioned this before, I've been following at these stats for decades now. Over time the very best sires early in their careers, have percentages of 25-30% (Fernando Bale, Brett Lee etc). Tommy Shelby for example was sitting on 28% early on, so he could be a future great and way ahead (11%) of Droopys Sydney. On that criteria he is only off to a steady start. Especially (as we have said) considering the quality of the bitches he has served. Even the much maligned Pindari Express is going better than him at 23%.

You can find out for yourself Paul. There is DS straw for sale on here for $20K. I'm not surprised because unfortunately he hasn't clicked with the bitches the seller put to him.

Not for me thanks Im interested in the pups from the droopy bitches not the straw.
It will be a while before his daughters breed.

Hopeful Lash's dam Droopys Hope carried no nick at all to Top Honcho through different individuals(Tesio).

Just wanted to add that info to the argument.

So you are implying he was a poor sire choice for Hopeful Lash?

Ryan, take a look at Coolavanny Hoffa, Yahoo Jamie and any number of Droopys Sydney top offspring. The two tail dam lines are bred to be compatible!

Nothing wrong with the sire choice!

The results seem to say differently.

Using Coolavanny Hoffa's grandam Yahoo Perlena as an example, YP line breeds Top Honcho thru different individuals at 94% within 6gens, meets Tesio's criteria and therefore creates a breeding parallel to Droopys Vieri.

Hopeful Lash's dam Droopys Hope does not do anywhere near the same. That's just fact from a Top Honcho/Droopys Vieri perspective only and relating to Tesio.

You may have had other reasons for that mating. Cheers.

How does the Ethanol Water litter fit the Tesio?

Ethanol Water - EXTERNAL LINK

He has had 1 miss and averages 6.5 pups with the other 12 litters.

Would you consider $20k is better value, Nathan?

Nothing at all wrong with that Darren, however my point is when you look at pedigrees it's important to understand why something works otherwise, you're likely to end up on the wrong side of the ledger. The devil is in the details I believe.

Two main important things to me are:
(i) x-path thru full blood relations or littermates (as it's genetically viable);
(ii)Tesio (as it's proven to be theoretically logical).

Pedigrees at a minimum need to fit into at least one, preferably both those categories if at all possible.

As Ethanol Water is an outcross by an outcross, it's unlikely to fit into Tesio's linebreeding principles so I would look at the x-path within 12 gens through different individuals as to what may have created the vigour within that pedigree. Cheers.

I havent really followed each runner very closely or more importantly enough to really pin point with a firm overall judgment on his offspring to be fair .

I havent even reared a litter or two of his , which always gives you the head start or quicker understanding of their race breakdown

For me the top sires poor litters which I look at equally to their top , as I find it gives up the sires early tell tale traits you need to be wary off and more then likely be stuck with on your own litter or your mates , Ive found even their poor litters still manage to put 5-10 wins together and still perform at 5th grade and chase !

Like I said before , he hasnt had enough here to go to harsh on as yet , but the litters early on that I looked at months ago werent even chasing , tickets etc and looked timid and wanted no part in the race at all .

Ill always use or compare any new sire to Barcia , Fernando , Bella infrared and Kc and all for different reasons on each .

They are the bench mark and command the most $$$

They varied a touch at peak price and from 9k Bella infrared finishing up to Barcia at 15k and Id imagine Kc would top price at 20-30k

Would he throw 1/2 a dozen sires like Kc ..? Who knows , but paying the same as Barcia and Kc and double Fernando who all have runs on the board , please ..

Id mark him at 7-8k going solely off 1 litter Bun storm with the hope theres another 4 litter mates performing similar to her and even a brother who could be a stud ! with also the outcross ethanol litter

But I guess his homeland supporters would laugh at that and say 3500 pound at finishing straws is comical .

To them I say we have another 20 in-front of him that could tare up their sires of the year list .

https:/ CLICK HERE
Dont believe me , Tommy Shelby rank 19th

Take that 20 bunch over there and see what happens to their home grown

Another with a similar nick to Bunstorm mentioned previously https:/ CLICK HERE 94% thru different individuals within 6 gens

Not having a go at you? Just trying to workout where youre coming from? As I see consistent themes in all the top offspring!

Do I take it you dont rate the duplication of Top Honcho in the x-path and Tesio needs to recreate it, through different shared genes?

The whole principle of Tesio is about recreating a sire that was previously successful with the line(damline), by linebreeding through different individuals, because that's what creates vigour within a pedigree.
With Tesio, close up positioning is important which is why the sires or dam's immediate damline is arguably the most potent, so I like to run with that initially, then the grandsires damline nicking with the broodies damline, then the great grandsires damline, nicking with the broodies damline.......etc.

The thing with an outcross is that he's unlikely to nick with anything from a linebreeding perspective, unless it's further down the line where the other lines have been imported into his pedigree.
With Droopys Sydney it's different because Droopy's Vieri's sister is present in his damline by an Aus import in Top Honcho.
Therefore it becomes probably the highest priority to line breed Top Honcho from a Tesio perspective to reintroduce an extremely high percentage of TH through different individuals back into the line TH was so successful with previously .

The successes of Bun Storm, Coolavanny Hoffa and possibly even the Just Terms litter now have a similar theme for me because they all fall into the Tesio linebreeding category to Top Honcho as shown.

It's great that you see consistent themes in all Sydney's top offspring, so long as you can justify why those themes are occurring. I see every pedigree differently according to what's there from a linebreeding perspective as per those two points mainly that I stated in a previous post. Cheers.

Droopys Fool - EXTERNAL LINK

Frieda Las Vegas - EXTERNAL LINK

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Litters like the Ethanol Water litter are great educational pedigrees. As you cant rely on common patterns, such as line breeding etc. You really have to delve into the pedigree and truly understand whats at play. My favourite kind of pedigree!

Much prefer breeding parallels to superstar types to have a crack at creating something unique, each to their own I suppose, however with outcrossed pedigrees the easiest thing to rely on IS linebreeding imho, simply because outcrossing implies very little linebreeding, so what little linebreeding there is, actually becomes easier to identify.

It does get difficult to identify a primary cross in x for example when it gets deep into the ped as you say.

With Ethanol Water for example (I prefer littermate Ethanol Volume I think), the linebreeding thru different individuals appears to go back to Crazy Parachute/Shiela at Last through littermates Monalee Champion & Nualas Crazy and they both happen to be in the x path.

I could be wrong but I don't think there's a more intense cross in a genetically viable position within that pedigree from a linebreeding perspective.

To my way of thinking this creates intensity being littermates in the x path on either side of the ped, and also vigour within the pedigree as they are different individuals with the same bloodlines.

That's how I'd look at it anyway. Cheers.