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Jodie Madgio has just come on season, feel free to let us know your suggestions for a sire for her. She had super quick first sections like 5.33 at Dapto and 4.96 at The Meadows. Im not too concerned about strength as there plenty of strength in her dam line.
Some interesting matings thanks, My friend has some nice Kiowa Producer pups and they are very nice types. We are fans of Thirty Talks and I loved High Earner so Hostile could be option along with the others but we like to see sires proven on the track before we use them. Sorry but to be honest I don't think Magic Sprites temperament would suit her. Barcia Bale is our most likely option at this stage, the match up of the 2 brothers Hallucinate and Where's Pedro looks great along with reintroducing Head Honcho and the famous Malawi's Prince Double. Allen Deed is a nice looking mating too. Whats peoples thoughts on CLICK HERE or this CLICK HERE
You won't go wrong with Barcia, he's well proven to your bitch's dam sireline and nicks superbly with Where's Pedro
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 19 Sep 2017 02:00
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agree with what Sandro's saying but the whole concept scares me a little
the reason is that GLO is undoubtedly the success of the line, so he has to be replicated without question thru different individuals, but when you match him up with Pedro's dam CLICK HERE it gives up a 97% saturation of that GLO nick.........the intensity is extremely high and doesn't give the pedigree much chance to breathe.
if elusive rebel was the sires dam you wld almost guarantee short coursers, but she is further back in the ped with Barcia so may well be ok as Sandro and i think someone else may have said..........playing safe and pushing pedro higher into the ped with perhaps a great grandson of Elusive Rebel (ex CLICK HERE ) and creating an xy angle to somewhat balance the intensity created by that extremely intense GLO nick maybe worth considering.
tough call, g/l Mick.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 19 Sep 2017 02:52
agree with what Sandro's saying but the whole concept scares me a little
the reason is that GLO is undoubtedly the success of the line, so he has to be replicated without question thru different individuals, but when you match him up with Pedro's dam CLICK HERE it gives up a 97% saturation of that GLO nick.........the intensity is extremely high and doesn't give the pedigree much chance to breathe.
if elusive rebel was the sires dam you wld almost guarantee short coursers, but she is further back in the ped with Barcia so may well be ok as Sandro and i think someone else may have said..........playing safe and pushing pedro higher into the ped with perhaps a great grandson of Elusive Rebel (ex CLICK HERE ) and creating an xy angle to somewhat balance the intensity created by that extremely intense GLO nick maybe worth considering.
tough call, g/l Mick.
Gday Ryan, Thanks for your advice as I know you look into it pretty deeply. Would the outcross help with diluting the saturation ? And I think the early speed has come from Lonesome Cry not Where's Pedro. Cheers mate
On paper looks great but his size worries me a bit as we like to keep some bitches and maybe a bit too much early speed. Thanks
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 19 Sep 2017 13:30
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mick whyte wrote:
...... Would the outcross help with diluting the saturation ? .....
definitely wld help with balancing the intensity Mick, altho wld ideally prefer the outcross to be in a 'not in x' position, but you can never get everything spot on in a ped.
i believe DDO(by Barcia) was of the same saturation and a breeding parallel to the brilliant Riverlee Bale(also by GLO) from same damline as DDO, once again highlighting the GLO nick is a must with Jodie's line, it's just that with DDO's ped there are hardly any duplications within the first 5 gens and the positioning of Spiral Nikita is perfectly 'not in x' ........that's being really picky but when you got this damline you do need to look at every angle
so keeping DDO's ped in mind, if I were you, I wld want to at least consider sires that have Elusive Rebels positioning in Ando's mac's ped for that softer intensity in xy rather than the primary line breeding intensity in x that Barcia provides thru litter bros Pedro/Hal.
in laymans terms -with Barcia's ped you have, heavy GLO nick intensity, heavy primary linebreeding in x thru litterm8's and the outcross to balance all that intensity ; - with an Ando's Mac type ped you have, heavy GLO nick intensity, the less intense linebreeding in xy, and the outcross to balance all that intensity
both really suit the bitch from a ped perspective, just me playing 'safe' wld prefer the second option (i think).
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 19 Sep 2017 19:37
...... Would the outcross help with diluting the saturation ? .....
definitely wld help with balancing the intensity Mick, altho wld ideally prefer the outcross to be in a 'not in x' position, but you can never get everything spot on in a ped.
i believe DDO(by Barcia) was of the same saturation and a breeding parallel to the brilliant Riverlee Bale(also by GLO) from same damline as DDO, once again highlighting the GLO nick is a must with Jodie's line, it's just that with DDO's ped there are hardly any duplications within the first 5 gens and the positioning of Spiral Nikita is perfectly 'not in x' ........that's being really picky but when you got this damline you do need to look at every angle
so keeping DDO's ped in mind, if I were you, I wld want to at least consider sires that have Elusive Rebels positioning in Ando's mac's ped for that softer intensity in xy rather than the primary line breeding intensity in x that Barcia provides thru litter bros Pedro/Hal.
in laymans terms -with Barcia's ped you have, heavy GLO nick intensity, heavy primary linebreeding in x thru litterm8's and the outcross to balance all that intensity ; - with an Ando's Mac type ped you have, heavy GLO nick intensity, the less intense linebreeding in xy, and the outcross to balance all that intensity
both really suit the bitch from a ped perspective, just me playing 'safe' wld prefer the second option (i think).
Thanks for the explanation Ryan, It gives us something to think about.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
