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Joseph Dotters Ireland (Verified User) Posts 154 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Nov 2017 13:41
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As my last post seems to have run its course I shall repeated my strategy and release my 3rd post earlier than I expected this will be the first of at least 3 post relating to the same theme. Now I claim that the racing greyhound evolved a cyclical system or mechanism that I can understand and explain that was used to produce Bellas Prince and Friendly Foe possibly this cyclical system or mechanism was evolved to pass on and keep the genes of one greyhound who is called Cardinal York dominant, while maintaining an adequate level of genetic diversity in the breed and amazingly the same cyclical system or mechanism was also evolved by the thoroughbred no doubt for the same reason. Now the thoroughbred implemented this same cyclical system or mechanism in a slightly different way to racing greyhound evolution or one could write that thoroughbred evolution arrived at the same destination as racing greyhound evolution but by taking the scenic route, I consider the way that this cyclical system or mechanism was implemented by the racing greyhound as a blueprint or template for how it should be implemented by either of the two breeds. Possibly this present day dominance of the Pilot (born 1820) or should I write the Cardinal York sire line is a result of this cyclical system or mechanism, I claim that five key players were used in the production of Friendly Foe and they are his sire Frandon Ferry, his parental grandsire Fiery Furnace, his parental great grandsire Sir Sankey, his parental great great grand sire Greentick and Herschel who was born during April 1885. I also claim that five key players were used in the production of Bellas Prince and they are his sire Castledown Lad, his parental grandsire Meadow Fescue, his parental great grandsire Melksham Tom, his parental great great grandsire Staff Officer and Jamie who was born during July 1917 now the racing greyhound sire Herschel can be found on the maternal sire lines of Friendly Foe and Frandon Ferry while the racing greyhound sire Jamie can be found on the maternal sire lines of Bellas Prince and Castledown Lad. Now Castledown Lad had Staff Officer 3 removes back along his paternal sire line and although Staff Officer is a bottleneck sire he actually performs the same job as Greentick who is 3 removes back along the paternal sire line of Frandon Ferry, remember Greentick is not a bottleneck sire. Realizing that I was looking at a cyclical situation I then though to myself that if I ever wanted to explain my discoveries to another person I would need some made up terminology of my own to do so, I would need to find a way of describing the likes of Bellas Prince and Friendly Foe as the same evolutionary beasts from different periods of time, so I called both Bellas Prince and Friendly Foe DOUBLE CROSS ANIMALS I called Bellas Prince a double cross animal because the greyhound Jamie occupies a position on his own maternal sire line and also occupies a position on the maternal sire line of his sire Castledown Lad.
I called Friendly Foe a Double Cross Animal because Herschel occupies a position on his own maternal sire line and also occupies a position on the maternal sire line of his own sire Frandon Ferry. Remember I am compiling this in such a way as to hopefully make it easier to understand than explaining it in the way that I usually do, actually to myself, lets call my usually way of explaining my findings as the FULL EXPLANATION, so in the full explanation I have also called the likes of Bellas Prince and Friendly Foe Double Cross Animals but several other of my made up terminology names that I will used to describe these animals in these posts will not be the same as several of my other made up terminology names that I have used in my Full Explanation. For this post I have called both Castledown lad and Friendly Foe SIRES OF THE DOUBLE CROSS ANIMALS and my made up terminology for Staff Officer is the INITIATOR OF THE 2nd MECHANISM CYCLE also my made up terminology for Champion Prince is the INITIATOR OF THE 3rd CYCLE WHICH ALSO CONTAINS THE 3rd MECHANISM CYCLE, I have given Staff Officer and Champion Prince these made up terminology names for this post although I might use them in my Full Explanation also. Although technically speaking Champion Prince performs the same job as Greentick I call Greentick the INITIATOR OF THE 1st MECHANISM CYCLE remember Staff Officer also technically performs the same job as Greentick and Champion Prince, remember I call Staff officer the INITIATOR OF THE 2nd MECHANISM CYCLE. I call Contango the INITIATOR OF THE 1st CYCLE WHICH ALSO CONTAINS THE 1st MECHANISM CYCLE remember this is the same made up terminology name I have given Champion Prince but obviously for a different cycle, so technically Contango performs the same jobs Staff Officer, Greentick and of course Champion Prince, all of this will most likely might appear a bit confusing at first but hopefully it will sink in through time but that is my interpretation of partly what has happened so far in racing greyhound evolution, remember as I have written, this mechanism I believe has evolved to pass on and keep the genes of Cardinal York dominant while maintaining an adequate level of genetic diversity but I have only explained a little bit about it. So Bedfellow and Contango belong to the same cycle as Friendly Foe, Frandon Ferry, Sir Sankey and Greentick obviously racing greyhound evolution has done things this way for a reason the 1st Mechanism Cycle has two extra greyhounds occupying its parental sire line before Greentick meaning I can call Contango the INITIATOR OF THE 1st CYCLE WHICH ALSO CONTAINS THE 1st MECHANISM CYCLE while the 2nd Mechanism Cycle has no animals occupying the parental sire line pre Staff Officer, so lets have a look at that information in a little Table.
CHAMPION PRINCE (Initiator of the 3rd cycle which also contains the 3rd mechanism cycle) 5...BELLAS PRINCE (JAMIE) 4...CASTLEDOWN LAD (JAMIE) 3...MEADOW FESCUE 2...MELKSHAM TOM 1....STAFF OFFICER (Initiator of the 2nd mechanism Cycle) 5...FRIENDLY FOE (HERSCHEL) 4...FRANDON FERRY (HERSCHEL) 3...FIERY FURNACE 2SIR SANKEY 1GREENTICK ( Initiator of 1st mechanism cycle) ..BEDFELLOW .CONTANGO (Initiator of the 1st cycle which also contains the 1st mechanism cycle)
Dean Townsend United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 2104 Dogs 19 / Races 0 17 Nov 2017 07:55
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Thanks Joseph
Joseph Dotters Ireland (Verified User) Posts 154 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Nov 2017 14:34
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Thanks again Dean for the reply but I must stress that my posts are not intended as greyhound history lessons although I am happy that some people get something from them in that department. As I have written I was told by a pedigree analyst that any theoretical or researched based work needs to be revealed as a whole so that its merit argument and evidence can be evaluated by experts in the field. I formed the opinion that purely by concentrating on the symmetry and suppose the cyclical concept people that have not devoted their lives to the study of the pedigrees of racehorses and racing greyhounds could maybe understand my concepts. It seems that the names of these greyhounds have to be familiar to people before they can possibly understand my concepts well the interest is not there and that is natural considering the detail involve, so maybe people do indeed need to have spent most of their lives studying the pedigrees of racehorses and racing greyhounds. I am sure people have come across the names of Greentick and Contango in the pedigree section of Greyhound Data before but as these animals are so far back in the pedigrees of the animals they have been concentrating on that they have taken very little notice of them. Remember I have written that when the Greyhound Stud Book was first published in 1882 the name of Pilot (1820) was the first name recorded in this book on the parental sire lines of about 26% of the greyhounds that made it into that book. Now the name of Pilot (1820) is the first name recorded in the Greyhound Stud Book on the parental sire lines of every greyhound that win a feature event over a certain value that makes it into the Greyhound Review magazine today this change has took place in cyclical fashion. I wrote that the definition of the word cycle is an interval of time during which a characteristic, often regularly repeated event or sequence of events occurs. So if Greentick is at the start of a cycle and let's say we number him number one, let's number his son Sir Sankey number two, his son Fiery Furnace number three, his son Frandon Ferry number four and his son Friendly Foe number five. Well the name of Herschel can be found on the maternal sire lines of numbers four and five. Now Staff Officer is a son of Friendly Foe and if we number Staff Officer number one his son Melksham Tom number two, his son Meadow Fescue number three, his son Castledown Lad number four and his son Bellas Prince number five. Well the name of Jamie can be found on the maternal sire lines of numbers four and five and this is the same situation that took place with Greentick to Friendly Foe, so if one can call it a cycle and one knows how to work out who the next Herschel will be or who the next Jamie will be it then should it all not happen again and again for that matter why should it end or stop? Well Champion Prince is a son of Bellas Prince and if we number Champion Prince number one his son Pigalle Wonder number two, his son Tivoli Dreamer number three, his son Tivoli Chief number four and his son Temlee number five. Well Hi There is the greyhound that my discoveries told me should be the next Herschel, the next Jamie but his name cannot be found on the maternal sire lines of numbers four and five would that mean the cycles have ended what would it mean? Dean this is what my posts are all about understanding that a cycles has taken place which one hopes will be repeated and what my response and interpretation was when the cycle was not repeated in the way I had anticipated. Hopefully that will make things a little clearer at this stage and after the next couple of posts I should be able to explain my interpretation of how events unfolded a bit better and you should be able to understand my explanation a bit better, I do not think you will be disappointed. Cheers
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 17 Nov 2017 16:18
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Hi Joseph, my head hurts but I'm hanging in there.
Joseph Dotters Ireland (Verified User) Posts 154 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Nov 2017 15:33
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Simon I shall post three more times on Greyhound Data and the information contained in those post will make it easier for me to summarize the data that I have given so far in the simplest way I can think of which hopefully should make things a bit easier to understand. Cheers
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