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Hayden Gilders
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First litter to race 1st 2nd 3rd in healsville vic bred maiden series all commenced as debutants Bernardo himself impeccably bred from a litter that won 560k. The winning time of 1930ish says a serious dog who would be more than competitive in healsville cup heats in future.


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Brett Margerison
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This one too Box 5... EXTERNAL LINK



Andrew Varasdi
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Beautifully bred animal no doubt and a great start to see early winners in fast time. If and all son with a great damline. So much going for him in that regard. Served 22 bitches with registered litters. 2 or 3 more in pup now. Probably need to find out why 5 of 22 bitches mates missed. Thats a high percentage of misses and probably needs to be addressed.

Doesnt it go to show how long it takes to find out if a dog can even remotely be commercial in this day and age. And the costs are significant in trying to get Going.

Good luck to those involved. A good start for sure.


Matthew Clark
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The dog is throwing jets, and not only one or two per litter, I know of two local litters that the whole litter are flying and they are only babies. This dog will make it given the opportunity IMO



Sam Watson
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andrew varasdi wrote:

Probably need to find out why 5 of 22 bitches mates missed. Thats a high percentage of misses and probably needs to be addressed.

Thats a very high %, not ideal for a new stud dog. Started off nicely at stud though



Andrew Varasdi
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Thats promising matt. He has the bloodlines to be very successful.



Rob Frendo
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Good to see he will get yo 30-40 litters in the not to distant future which will provide a gauge of what he can produce. Given his lines he may be one of the few that could make it commercially outside of the top 5 sires, still unlikely though given choice in market. I do put him ahead of the next newish 10 sires that have hit the market such as BU, LF, MR etc


Matt Griffiths
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Has started his stud career on fire. Producing winners at a unbelievable strike rate


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his sire speaks for it self and the dam line keeps on producing good stud dogs and bitches that keep on producing group race dogs I have pups out of this line and they are magnificent types.


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Not always the Stud Dogs fault when a Bitch misses !!!!!
A lot of decent size litters by him !!!!



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Another city winner for Bernardo with Dr Ryker winning at the Meadows on Thursday night.

Its early days yet, but his winner to runners stats of 28% are the best of any stud dog in Australia at the moment.




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Another top class Son of KC AND ALL is returning to the Track tonight after 3 months off.
Sensational pedigree and a massive engine, he is definitely worth a try at Stud.
Very surprised that he is not already a registered Stud Dog.



Graham Moscow
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Damline known for speed freaks.
For those that are unaware this Damline goes back Too

CLICK HERE



Kevin Wright
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Graham Moscow wrote:

Damline known for speed freaks.
For those that are unaware this Damline goes back Too

CLICK HERE


You have my Interest Graham ...
Happy Beaver is 37.5 to Chief Havoc ...

Would you Graham or any of our Guru's know some further history regarding this Dog Happy Beaver ...

PS
Back in the day Graham most weekends were spent beaver hunting with some mates so that's maybe why Happy Beaver draws my attention




David Brasch
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Kevin

Back in 2012 I got to write an article on the late, great Peter Newstead. He gave us some wonderful behind the scenes on Happy Beaver. They are included in this article. It is a bit long, but includes some memorable moments.

DB

AS an 18-year-old when Charlie Pop Northfield moved from Wollongong to the Northern Rivers of NSW, it was furtherest from his mind that he would start a dynasty within the greyhound industry.
Not only has Charlie left a legacy of great greyhound names, he is still represented today by the three branches of that family, the Northfields (of which there are many), the Lollbacks (the same) and the Newsteads (of which there are some).
The oldest descendant of Pop Northfield is 91-year-old Peter Newstead who, despite having a few recent stints in hospital, can rattle off the names of great greyhounds he and the family has been associated with over many, many a long year.
Peter, uncle to them all, has himself had a lasting impact on the industry.
Consider just the one fact that Peter and his brother Vince raced the great Happy Beaver damsire of the legend of them all, Zoom Top.
I was 18 when I got my first license, said Peter.
My family lived on a dairy farm at Stratheden, share farming with more than 100 head.
While it was tough work, the family tossed in and got it done. The dogs had to be done as well.
We only reared about two litters at a time in those days, said Peter. It was different in those days. There was no earbranding.
Happy Beaver was the best dog Peter and Vince raced but it actually started with his grandmother.
We raced Tranquil Moon who we bred by the Boyd Brothers stud dog King Moon from Jill Ruche, said Peter
Tranquil Moon was a top grader until someone pulled the catching pen gate across on her and knocked her out. She wouldnt chase again after that.
No half measures for Tranquil Moon. She was put to Chief Havoc. From the litter came a bitch Peter and Vince named Swannie Havoc.
She was going well as a pup but she did a hock at her first race start, he said. We bred with her.
At that time Lola Simpson had a Casino flyer called Happy Cappy. He had started 102 times for 52 wins, 20 seconds and 10 thirds. He did a lot of racing in Brisbane, said Peter.
Swannie Havoc was a natural to go to Happy Cappy and thats how Happy Beaver came along. Another in the litter was Swan Star who would produce Melbourne Cup winner Swan Opal.
Happy Beaver was a superstar on the Northern Rivers and became a superstar stud dog as well.
He was a good beginner, a hard chaser and in his time a good dog, said Peter. He won 29 races.
Among those wins were the Grafton Cup, the Top Stake, and the South Grafton Cup all in the one week. He also won the Lismore Classic and the Country Championship at Wentworth Park.
At stud Happy Beaver was just what the Northern Rivers breeders wanted and he didnt let them down.
He was a huge success at stud, said Peter. He was standing at a service fee of 15 guineas and I lost count of the services we did with him. He was that price all his career. Most of the top stud dogs of that time in Sydney were only standing for 10 guineas.
We never had a bitch of our own to put to him though, but we took a few pups for the cost of the service and trained a lot of winners by him.
He was 70 pounds and a really good sort of dog.
Happy Beaver was only nine when he died.
In one memorable weekend, he sired 12 straight winners at Lismore the entire seven race program on a Friday night and the first five the following night.
Peter remembers clearly Happy Beaver mating Buzzs Image to produce Busy Beaver later to be the dam of Zoom Top. I think David Keep was to get a bitch from the litter, but his died, said Peter. Busy Beaver ended up with Hec and Leah Watt.
Swannie Havoc would also become the third dam of Silent Ring winner of the Vic Peters at Harold Park and the Dapto track record holder.
While Happy Beaver was the best to come from the Newstead kennels, Peter is adamant Gripit (Pretty Short-Monica Bale) was the fastest.
He was a champion that Pretty Short (raced by his nephew Bill Northfield), so we put Monica Bale to him and it produced Gripit, said Peter.
Gripit finished second to Dancing Gamble in the Grafton Maiden final and knocked up a toe in the race. We won races with him but he did a back muscle.
The litter he came from won 50-plus races at Casino in the one year in the 1980s.
Gripit traced directly to Swan Star (his fifth dam) a sister to Happy Beaver.
One of the best he bred was Swan Opal who would win the 1967 Melbourne Cup for Nev Ballinger.
I won quite a few with her mother Swan Star and then sent her to Jack Burke in Newcastle to race before getting her back to breed with. She was a sister to Happy Beaver, he said.
Swan Opal was by Sudden Linen. I kept her as a pup, broke her in and she was trialling pretty good, said Peter.
Jack Lollback had a dog in training with Nev Ballinger who asked him to keep a lookout for a dog. Jack knew how good Swan Opal was going so Nev offered me $2000 for her.
It was good money in those days so I sold. Nev was kind enough to send me a photo of the Melbourne Cup win.
Peter still has it today among his many other bits of memorabilia.
It didnt surprise me that she won the Melbourne Cup, said Peter. I knew how good she was.
Another of that litter was a dog called Star Possession who won a Lawnton Cup.
He says he has seen some of the greats of greyhound racing.
Pretty Short was a freak, said Peter. But he gave me a bit of a shock one day at the Gabba.
Wed won three fifth grades in a row at the Gabba with a dog called Bush House, but on the same day as one of those wins Pretty Short also started there and won by a nose.
He won 68 races during his career and was the hardest chaser you would see. He really battled to win that race at the Gabba and there was no comparison between him and Bush House.
Peter also saw Chief Havoc in action.
We had heard about Chief Havoc trialling four-tenths under the track record at Casino, and then a week later he started in a race off box one and smashed the record by five tenths, said Peter.
I remember as Jack Millerd came back to collect his dog, one of the blokes on the rail saying to him you wont get box one at Lismore, to which Millerd promptly replied I might not need it.
Peter used Chief Havoc at stud several times and remembers he stood for a service fee of 100 pounds at his peak. I paid 50 pounds for a service to him and 50 pounds was a lot of money in those days, he said.
The only time Peter saw Zoom Top race was in an Invitation at Lismore and Pop Northfields dog Stratheden Rock beat her easily. He was a son of Happy Beaver-Premier Dream.
The Invitation was over 500 yards and was supposed to be a match between Zoom Top and Stratheden Rock, but the top class Brisbane galloper Kakoda Miss (Gai Saibot-Miss Nalon Ande) and Sterling Steele (The Hawser-Cosy Glow) were added to the field.
Stratheden Rock won by three lengths on July 19, 1969 in 26.8secs with six lengths to Kakoda Miss.
Pop Northfield took home the top prize of $100.
On that same night, Jack Lollbacks dog Abbey Road (Ballymurn Chief-Super Moon) won the National Derby at Wentworth Park beating Silent Retreat and Main Issue.
Peter remembers Jack Lollback being involved in one of the funniest incidents he has seen on a racetrack.
Jack had a dog racing at Casino many years ago and George Mulherin was the chief steward, said Peter.
Unfortunately the dog that Jack had in had died in the kennels.
Jack came out to see the chief steward and said to him my dogs dead.
Mulherin said straight back, its too late to tell me that now, just hold him up short on the lead.
To which Jack replied, no I mean d.e.a.d.
Peter says Pop Northfield was his inspiration as a trainer.
I took most notice of him, he said. Ernie Boyd was another great trainer.
He says his training methods involved walking morning and afternoon, but he galloped his dogs twice a week behind a lure over 400 yards.
He remembers the lure at the old Casino track being on the top of a bike wheel that ran around a few feet out from the running rail.
Peter knows dogs of today are faster than their predecessors. It happens in all sports, he said.
He worked on the family farm all his life until he retired in 1965. He was 82 when he trained his last dog. It got to be hard work for me at that stage, he said.
These days he never misses watching a race meeting from Lismore and Casino on Sky TV.
He has taken great pleasure in the fact his great nephews Ryan and Aaron Newstead, now in their late 20s, have taken up training and been winning a few races.
Peter is so proud of that pair continuing a tradition of greyhound racing in the family since the early 1900s.
I miss the dogs, he said. I miss them barking. The old days were not real easy but I enjoyed them. Any win is as good as the other.
Peters success on the Northern Rivers was staggering.
He didnt even remember winning the first running of the Lismore Cup with Bonnie Beaver until someone reminded him recently.
His last feature race win was the 1993 Casino Cup with Dolmio Grin (Severance-Navy Belle). Severance was a brother to Gripit.
These days when any of the Northfields, and those young Newsteads, land a winner or two, you can be sure uncle Peter is keeping a close watch. There is a century of history behind them.
Peter was one of the greatest history makers of them all.





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Thanks David

Now that was a great read .

Interesting to read Swannie Havoc.
She was going well as a pup but she did a hock at her first race start, he said. We bred with her.

David
how many bloodlines today evolved with a unraced brood or a broken down brood it must be close to 99.9999999 percent .

PS
There is only one Guru thanks David

For the budding Guru's i pose this Question to you all

Is there a Sire alive today THAT DOES NOT CARRY A UNRACED BROOD within its last 15 generations
If any budding Guru can find one i will pay for a years Gold Membership on Greyhound Data plus a Bottle of BLACK TAR from my mate Jack and as a bonus i will throw in cork screw opener




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Kevin Wright wrote:

Graham Moscow wrote:

Damline known for speed freaks.
For those that are unaware this Damline goes back Too

CLICK HERE


You have my Interest Graham ...
Happy Beaver is 37.5 to Chief Havoc ...

Would you Graham or any of our Guru's know some further history regarding this Dog Happy Beaver ...

PS
Back in the day Graham most weekends were spent beaver hunting with some mates so that's maybe why Happy Beaver draws my attention

Many Thanks for rescuing me Grandmaster Guru David Brasch.
I read that wonderful article years ago but I couldnt remember the details hence the SOS.
Kevin I think I will pass on your challenge ( too tough)
Bernardo, breeders keep a close eye on him, hot blood lines.

PS
Kevin Im my teenage day our equivalent to Beaver was Crumpet.
Yankee hunters did some strange acts with Beaver skins. Not cool




Kevin Wright
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Graham Moscow wrote:

Kevin Wright wrote:

Graham Moscow wrote:

Damline known for speed freaks.
For those that are unaware this Damline goes back Too

CLICK HERE


You have my Interest Graham ...
Happy Beaver is 37.5 to Chief Havoc ...

Would you Graham or any of our Guru's know some further history regarding this Dog Happy Beaver ...

PS
Back in the day Graham most weekends were spent beaver hunting with some mates so that's maybe why Happy Beaver draws my attention

Many Thanks for rescuing me Grandmaster Guru David Brasch.
I read that wonderful article years ago but I couldnt remember the details hence the SOS.
Kevin I think I will pass on your challenge ( too tough)
Bernardo, breeders keep a close eye on him, hot blood lines.

PS
Kevin Im my teenage day our equivalent to Beaver was Crumpet.
Yankee hunters did some strange acts with Beaver skins. Not cool


I guess it is a bit hard Graham

Let's change the rules to the last 10 generation then ....

A guru is like a live road map.
If you want to walk uncharted terrain,
I think it is sensible to walk with a road map.



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