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Darren Leeson
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Hi Andrew, really Banjo never got many Primo Uno lined broods? Very surprised to hear that!! I’m seriously looking at him for a city winning bitch of mine carrying Primo Uno!

This topic is trying to show it’s not so much Fernando/Barcia for instance that puts the motor into the top racers. Rather the actual pedigree (engine) within. Which can be obtained from varying sires of distance and price point. After all, 99.9% of sires were indeed top class race dogs themselves. In turn the breed benefits as a whole!

Your brilliant racebitch Showgirl Queen actually looks the perfect test case to prove it. While you’ve gone and put the aforementioned cross in using Fernando Bale. Would be interesting to see the result you’d get using the complete opposite end of the spectrum in a non-commercial all distance dynamo - CLICK HERE

He Shall Power shows it working, as does Xtreme Knocka and an originator Si Senor as well. Then you have the correlation between Droopys Kewell and Flying Penske (Herstal, Antigua Fire, Droopys Noah, Javielenko, Droopys Dargle)...plus the cross between Droopys Kewell and Surf Lorian (Definite Opinion...Barcelona Boss). Not to mention the obvious Where’s Pedro duplication. Making it a well balanced looking pedigree. But most importantly putting proven big time powerhouse genes together.




Paul Dicks
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Interesting topic...

What have been the breeding ventures for gurus Darren Leeson and Ryan Vanderwert over the last few years? I haven't kept a close eye on the goings on in the industry recently.

I did see the Leeson bred Frieda Las Vegas has a huge motor, but lacks early speed and can get smashed in the pack as a consequence. Mind you she is out of a champion UK bitch, so it's little wonder she can gallop.


Darren Leeson
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21 Aug 2020 10:42


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Just doing my own thing these days...but enjoy discussing breeding as always!

Here’s an interesting list.

Dasha 14 starts 3-2-2 Cranb 30.87, Sandown city placed 30.06...dam of G1 Topgun winner Get It Gizmo.

Flying Liddy 53 starts 3-6-7; twice city place Wentworth Park 30.44 and 30.53 dam of multiple G1 winner Zambora Brockie.

Hail Queenie placed Wentworth Park 31.18 - dam of Black Forge

Who Told Lindylu 51 Starts. 7-5-10 PM $9878. TAB winner couldn’t place in city - dam of Simon Told Helen and Who Told Stevie.

Captivating twice city placed sister to Jubilation - dam of Black Opium

Jubilation TAB winning sister to Captivating - dam of Flynn

Love To Rock 5 starts 0-0-0, but ran 30.87 at Richmond in getting beat to show she had a good motor and subsequently produced G1 dogs Matt Machine & Ex’s and Ohs

Foot Luce 6 starts 1-0-0 Angle Park 30.63 dam of G1 Sapphire Crown winner Oakvale Destiny and hot litter mates Oakvale Magic, Footluce Diva, Texas Titan

Limited Addition 13 starts 0-1-1. Dam of multiple Group race finalist Patch Adam Wentworth Park 29.55, Rich 30.41, 30.42; Gardens 29.43

Keira’s Charm 1 TAB 6 country wins - dam of G1 Bago Bye Bye

Unquestionably 300m bitch - dam of Zoom Out

Easy Baby 300m bitch - dam of Big Flood

Father of Mine 300m TAB bitch - dam of Group winning littermates Nervous And Weird, My American Girl

Little Hammer 5 starts 1-0-1 Meadows 30.80 - dam of Slingshot Hammer

All Quality TAB winner - dam of Group finalists La Grand Quality, Caviar Quality

Flossy 9 starts 1-3-0 TAB winner - dam of Peter Galo, To The Galo’s

Flash Riot TAB winner failed to place in city dam of Start A Riot

Weeping Lass 300m TAB winner - dam of Crimson Vixen

Fantasy Royale city placed Wentworth Park - dam of G1 Leroy Rogue, Aphorism, Kong

Splendourous TAB winner, couldn’t place in city, ticket for failing to chase - dam of multiple G1 bitch Miss Splendamiro

Fancy Jaffa 2 starts 0-0-0 Richmond 31.58, 31.83 - dam of Burn One Down, Buck Forty

Kirabilli Abbie TAB winner - dam of Lightning Frank

Aston Dream TAB winner city placed Sandown 30.49 - dam of Aston Bolero

Absolute Stunna TAB winner, couldn’t place in the city - dam of Blazin’ Bomber, Bells Are Ringin’, Ring The Bell

Zipping Rose 4 starts 0-0-3 (placed Wentworth Park 31.01) - dam of G1 PAWS winner King Cratos

Kim Zarr Dashian couldn’t place in the city at Wentworth Park - dam of boom pup Jim Zarr Dashian Sandown Park 29.02 and I’m Zarr Rock

Ella Lezah 14 starts 1-2-1 (Gardens 23.25) - dam of Sky Wave, Ella Enchanted, Elusive Wave, Flying Ella, Djay Holden




Daryl Barrett
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21 Aug 2020 11:08


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Can't help but agree when you mention Dundee Osprey Darren,a very underrated sire imo,but there are so many more in this category,even though i am certainly not a breedi g guru i have always said that
you shouldn't be a " follower " by taking a broodie to a sire just because everyone else doe's, be a leader,& as you say,look outside that square & take her to a sire that suits her pedigree & has worked before.There are so many choices when looking at a potential sire,it's not funny,sometimes,up to 6 or more if you do the homework imo.
Darren Leeson wrote:

Hi Andrew, really Banjo never got many Primo Uno lined broods? Very surprised to hear that!! I’m seriously looking at him for a city winning bitch of mine carrying Primo Uno!

This topic is trying to show it’s not so much Fernando/Barcia for instance that puts the motor into the top racers. Rather the actual pedigree (engine) within. Which can be obtained from varying sires of distance and price point. After all, 99.9% of sires were indeed top class race dogs themselves. In turn the breed benefits as a whole!

Your brilliant racebitch Showgirl Queen actually looks the perfect test case to prove it. While you’ve gone and put the aforementioned cross in using Fernando Bale. Would be interesting to see the result you’d get using the complete opposite end of the spectrum in a non-commercial all distance dynamo - CLICK HERE

He Shall Power shows it working, as does Xtreme Knocka and an originator Si Senor as well. Then you have the correlation between Droopys Kewell and Flying Penske (Herstal, Antigua Fire, Droopys Noah, Javielenko, Droopys Dargle)...plus the cross between Droopys Kewell and Surf Lorian (Definite Opinion...Barcelona Boss). Not to mention the obvious Where’s Pedro duplication. Making it a well balanced looking pedigree. But most importantly putting proven big time powerhouse genes together.





Paul Dicks
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21 Aug 2020 11:29


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Darren Leeson wrote:

Just doing my own thing these days...but enjoy discussing breeding as always!

Here’s an interesting list.

Dasha 14 starts 3-2-2 Cranb 30.87, Sandown city placed 30.06...dam of G1 Topgun winner Get It Gizmo.

Flying Liddy 53 starts 3-6-7; twice city place Wentworth Park 30.44 and 30.53 dam of multiple G1 winner Zambora Brockie.

Hail Queenie placed Wentworth Park 31.18 - dam of Black Forge

Who Told Lindylu 51 Starts. 7-5-10 PM $9878. TAB winner couldn’t place in city - dam of Simon Told Helen and Who Told Stevie.

Captivating twice city placed sister to Jubilation - dam of Black Opium

Jubilation TAB winning sister to Captivating - dam of Flynn

Love To Rock 5 starts 0-0-0, but ran 30.87 at Richmond in getting beat to show she had a good motor and subsequently produced G1 dogs Matt Machine & Ex’s and Ohs

Foot Luce 6 starts 1-0-0 Angle Park 30.63 dam of G1 Sapphire Crown winner Oakvale Destiny and hot litter mates Oakvale Magic, Footluce Diva, Texas Titan

Limited Addition 13 starts 0-1-1. Dam of multiple Group race finalist Patch Adam Wentworth Park 29.55, Rich 30.41, 30.42; Gardens 29.43

Keira’s Charm 1 TAB 6 country wins - dam of G1 Bago Bye Bye

Unquestionably 300m bitch - dam of Zoom Out

Easy Baby 300m bitch - dam of Big Flood

Father of Mine 300m TAB bitch - dam of Group winning littermates Nervous And Weird, My American Girl

Little Hammer 5 starts 1-0-1 Meadows 30.80 - dam of Slingshot Hammer

All Quality TAB winner - dam of Group finalists La Grand Quality, Caviar Quality

Flossy 9 starts 1-3-0 TAB winner - dam of Peter Galo, To The Galo’s

Flash Riot TAB winner failed to place in city dam of Start A Riot

Weeping Lass 300m TAB winner - dam of Crimson Vixen

Fantasy Royale city placed Wentworth Park - dam of G1 Leroy Rogue, Aphorism, Kong

Splendourous TAB winner, couldn’t place in city, ticket for failing to chase - dam of multiple G1 bitch Miss Splendamiro

Fancy Jaffa 2 starts 0-0-0 Richmond 31.58, 31.83 - dam of Burn One Down, Buck Forty

Kirabilli Abbie TAB winner - dam of Lightning Frank

Aston Dream TAB winner city placed Sandown 30.49 - dam of Aston Bolero

Absolute Stunna TAB winner, couldn’t place in the city - dam of Blazin’ Bomber, Bells Are Ringin’, Ring The Bell

Zipping Rose 4 starts 0-0-3 (placed Wentworth Park 31.01) - dam of G1 PAWS winner King Cratos

Kim Zarr Dashian couldn’t place in the city at Wentworth Park - dam of boom pup Jim Zarr Dashian Sandown Park 29.02 and I’m Zarr Rock

Ella Lezah 14 starts 1-2-1 (Gardens 23.25) - dam of Sky Wave, Ella Enchanted, Elusive Wave, Flying Ella, Djay Holden

Definitely an interesting list, but not what I was asking.

“There are three types of lies -- lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

I don't want to drag this thread down the same old boring path. But in response to your list I see 85%+ of the current top 20 dogs for 2020 on greyhound data are out of City Class bitches.




Jack Zappala
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21 Aug 2020 11:53


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daryl barrett wrote:

Can't help but agree when you mention Dundee Osprey Darren,a very underrated sire imo,but there are so many more in this category,even though i am certainly not a breedi g guru i have always said that
you shouldn't be a " follower " by taking a broodie to a sire just because everyone else doe's, be a leader,& as you say,look outside that square & take her to a sire that suits her pedigree & has worked before.There are so many choices when looking at a potential sire,it's not funny,sometimes,up to 6 or more if you do the homework imo.
Darren Leeson wrote:

Hi Andrew, really Banjo never got many Primo Uno lined broods? Very surprised to hear that!! I’m seriously looking at him for a city winning bitch of mine carrying Primo Uno!

This topic is trying to show it’s not so much Fernando/Barcia for instance that puts the motor into the top racers. Rather the actual pedigree (engine) within. Which can be obtained from varying sires of distance and price point. After all, 99.9% of sires were indeed top class race dogs themselves. In turn the breed benefits as a whole!

Your brilliant racebitch Showgirl Queen actually looks the perfect test case to prove it. While you’ve gone and put the aforementioned cross in using Fernando Bale. Would be interesting to see the result you’d get using the complete opposite end of the spectrum in a non-commercial all distance dynamo - CLICK HERE

He Shall Power shows it working, as does Xtreme Knocka and an originator Si Senor as well. Then you have the correlation between Droopys Kewell and Flying Penske (Herstal, Antigua Fire, Droopys Noah, Javielenko, Droopys Dargle)...plus the cross between Droopys Kewell and Surf Lorian (Definite Opinion...Barcelona Boss). Not to mention the obvious Where’s Pedro duplication. Making it a well balanced looking pedigree. But most importantly putting proven big time powerhouse genes together.


Takes balls Daryl


Darren Leeson
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21 Aug 2020 11:54


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My list is from the year or 2 before. What it shows is people having a crack. What this game is all about. And complete respect from me to anyone willing to risk their own money breeding litters.. Look at the enjoyment we all currently get watching Simon Told Helen and Black Opium. Or yesteryear watching Temlee, Brother Fox and Rapid Journey. All of which were from ordinary racebitches!


Jack Zappala
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talking about having the balls, Darren know about this mating i will be doing when she comes on season CLICK HERE


Simon Milgate
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21 Aug 2020 12:50


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Talking to a freind today who breeds horses he mentioned Black Caviar's son is at stud after a failed racing career. Is there any record of a successful greyhound sire who raced poorly but was sent to stud purely for the bloodlines?



Ryan Vanderwert
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21 Aug 2020 12:56


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cry havoc was unraced I think Simon


Mitchell Tubinas
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21 Aug 2020 13:01


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Carnage was apparently the quickest in his litter but never raced. He had a a good share of litters early on. Im sure his brothers helped with that though
Simon Milgate wrote:

Talking to a freind today who breeds horses he mentioned Black Caviar's son is at stud after a failed racing career. Is there any record of a successful greyhound sire who raced poorly but was sent to stud purely for the bloodlines?





Darren Leeson
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21 Aug 2020 13:44


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While not failures on the track. Certainly weren’t stud dog material in their own countries, but turned out to be top class stud dogs - Which Chariot and Royal Impact.

Head Bound was unraced, but reportedly lightning fast and became leading sire in Ireland. He’s shown his worth here and continues to do so through Aussie Infrared.


Mitchell Tubinas
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Roanokee was a jet early but prospects mustn't have been good. But went well once he left here. Personally breeding wise and as a race dog i was surprised he left here.
Darren Leeson wrote:

While not failures on the track. Certainly weren’t stud dog material in their own countries, but turned out to be top class stud dogs - Which Chariot and Royal Impact.





Darren Leeson
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Who knows the circumstances. He was used here and sired the rocket Mint Mojo. I think Paul Wheeler has used an old straw on Dyna Patty...


Mitchell Tubinas
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Darren Leeson wrote:

Who knows the circumstances. He was used here and sired the rocket Mint Mojo. I think Paul Wheeler has used an old straw on Dyna Patty...


I will be watching the results of that one carefully. He was a brilliant beginner that could break there hearts and win group races. His early speed was blinding. I know hes a total different dog but he was Puzzle Prize like. Jumps and runs bullshit sections. Both were amazing to watch.


Darren Leeson
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His progeny in Ireland were renowned for it. You’ve got to hand it to Wheeler...he knows every ounce of a pedigree. Likewise Mitchell, it has the potential to produce a star!


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Mitchell Tubinas wrote:

Roanokee was a jet early but prospects mustn't have been good. But went well once he left here. Personally breeding wise and as a race dog i was surprised he left here.

He left here for what would have been a record price at the time not because he was a failure ... i think he only served 40/50 bitches here before leaving and threw some pretty handy performers .. Mint Mojo .. Subic City .. Sydney Tiger .. Queen Muffin .. Lady Mint ... Viper's Sting etc etc

We imported a few vials back from Ireland and i think PAW got a couple of them ... pretty sure there's still a few floating around


Mitchell Tubinas
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The one that got away maybe....its not just the stud dog you lose but i get annoyed that we also lose the damlines also. Hes one for sure but plenty of others you think if you had similar lines you would love to go back. But once they leave the shores you need luck to get the pedigree back. You need an overseas champion to be able to reintroduce the line. I guess its a matter of money talks
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Geoff Collins wrote:

Mitchell Tubinas wrote:

Roanokee was a jet early but prospects mustn't have been good. But went well once he left here. Personally breeding wise and as a race dog i was surprised he left here.

He left here for what would have been a record price at the time not because he was a failure ... i think he only served 40/50 bitches here before leaving and threw some pretty handy performers .. Mint Mojo .. Subic City .. Sydney Tiger .. Queen Muffin .. Lady Mint ... Viper's Sting etc etc






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Impressive Maiden winner Albion Pk 29.93
Check this pedigree ( back to the future)

CLICK HERE


Darren Leeson
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Excellent example!

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