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Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 09 Jun 2023 06:10
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Still PROVEN under your criteria
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 09 Jun 2023 06:23
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Paul Dicks wrote:
If you don't know what proven is by now you should give the game away. Because you are obviously deliberately playing the stupid card, I'll help you out. My criteria would be. After the sires first crop has hit the ground and have reached 3 years of age. His Greyhound Recorder Stats early percentages are around 25%, he is producing a good percentage of city winners and group runners. It's not rocket science and I know for certain you are fully aware of what "Proven" is.
Examples, Tommy Shelby and Shima Shine are very close to being "proven" of the current new crop of sires.
They met none of what I consider the essential criteria, as I outlined here
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 09 Jun 2023 06:31
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
If you don't know what proven is by now you should give the game away. Because you are obviously deliberately playing the stupid card, I'll help you out. My criteria would be. After the sires first crop has hit the ground and have reached 3 years of age. His Greyhound Recorder Stats early percentages are around 25%, he is producing a good percentage of city winners and group runners. It's not rocket science and I know for certain you are fully aware of what "Proven" is.
Examples, Tommy Shelby and Shima Shine are very close to being "proven" of the current new crop of sires.
They met none of what I consider the essential criteria, as I outlined here
If you stick by that criteria I am sure you will come out ahead at some point
By the way out of interest, if he was so useless why did you use Djays Octane and not use one of the more proven dogs based on the Recorder stats
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 09 Jun 2023 08:25
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The line needed an outcross and someone talked me into it. Her sister went to what could be considered an under performing UK sire and later produced a multiple Group winner. Right idea, wrong sire. Like DS has been in the UK now, DO had been a success in the US then, but "Unproven" here. That's precisely Nathan's point I believe. He is 100% correct in my opinion.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 09 Jun 2023 09:59
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Time will tell who is correct and who isn't
Doesn't matter what imported sire you are talking about it's a bit harsh and possibly foolish to burn a sire on one litters results
Maybe before you make outlandish statements you should follow your own criteria and wait till they are 3 years old and check the greyhound recorder stats then
But unfortunately as you seem to have have a bias against the dog or the local breeders who have used him you won't apply the same fairness to DS as you have to other sires
Thus it's a futile discussion
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 09 Jun 2023 10:04
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Yeh itll be good to watch Scott , love Poeple who go out on a limb and have a go !
Get the popcorn and see what happens .
Only been in the game a short time , but Ive seen Paradise Madison , Makeshift , Taylors sky , Skywalker puma .. all handy dogs , result to nothing bud .
I have it as aust produces runners , America a point of difference or lines to breathe , and Irish as great brood lines .
Come Xmas we will see and wish yous luck ! Very brave !
I've been keeping my eye on DS's first Aussie litter and he hasn't clicked with the first bitch. Obviously early days and it's only a 4 pup litter.
I haven't burnt him. Here's my original comment. You might be great with numbers and figures mate, but your comprehension is way off sometimes Sandro.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 09 Jun 2023 10:17
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Going to need luck next mating as well. 5 pup litter down to 2 with 3 deceased - EXTERNAL LINK
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 09 Jun 2023 10:19
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Paul Dicks wrote:
He is 100% correct in my opinion.
Nothing wrong with my comprehension or my figures for that matter ;-)
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 09 Jun 2023 10:34
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Again with the poor comprehension. That was in relation to the fact that it's best to use a sire after it's been proven in your country, not that DS is a dud already. Fair dinkum, if we spoke one on one rather than on a forum, 90% of our arguments wouldn't happen.
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 09 Jun 2023 11:14
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Darren Leeson wrote:
This is the Aussie bitch to judge Sydney on - https:/ CLICK HERE
Youd think his first 2 litters would be enough to be judged on ? Both city winners who broke 30 sec and one of them a proven brood producing a GRP finalists . Both half sisters to GRP performers , can hardly be overlooked or excused as dont worry about those ones ?
3rd and 4th litters also city winners and proven broods and full or half sisters to GRP performers.
If it was any other Australian sire serving his first 4 litters to city winners and GRP relations, there would be no need to wait until your suggested 10th mating ?
Shane Stiff , take the guess work out of it when dealing with a 30-40k investment, unless you dont like money . Its not like his straws wont be around in 12 months for her 2nd litter
Her line breeding has worked many times to produce GRP performers to US lines before , let her lines breathe
Aussie infrared, you wont be disappointed
Good luck to all
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Time will tell who is correct and who isn't
Doesn't matter what imported sire you are talking about it's a bit harsh and possibly foolish to burn a sire on one litters results
Maybe before you make outlandish statements you should follow your own criteria and wait till they are 3 years old and check the greyhound recorder stats then
But unfortunately as you seem to have have a bias against the dog or the local breeders who have used him you won't apply the same fairness to DS as you have to other sires
Thus it's a futile discussion
You got that right being futile , heaven forbid anyone reporting any or the only latest info we can on offspring ?
No ones written him off ? So now weve been called narks , fools , time warped , childish , jealous , anything else yous wish to add personally ? Talk about Futile hypocrites
Hey Shane , great choice mate for maiden brood ! Use him bud youll get winners for sure and forget first 5 litters mate , they just might not have worked and his lines suggest has to be a hit !
Good luck all and happy wins ahead !
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Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 09 Jun 2023 12:15
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At least Paul was far more reasonable with his assessment of Droopys Sydney, when he brought the subject back up. You went on a full mudslinging attack on him, based off a bunch of mediocre sires at best in their own country, that apparently burnt the hobby breeder. Those sires have nothing to do with whether Droopys Sydney succeeds or not. Neither does one litter, no matter how well performed she was.
Give him his chance.
P.s interesting Paul mentioned his bitch Two States - https:/ CLICK HERE
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 09 Jun 2023 12:47
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Unfortunately your personal investment has impaired your comprehension on being mutual and taking facts in good or bad .
I guess that happens when all you do is sit behind a computer reporting wins daily for 18 months straight ?
If the US had continually sent djays octane or superior product studs for a decade , I think it would matter greatly actually , with majority unfortunately having preconceived opinions on any other future studs ? Why wouldnt we ?
What really doesnt matter bud is anything hes done before his offspring start to do here !
All Ive said is factual , whether you agree or not .
His offspring will do the talking , not you Darren , due to daily updates do you expect any less interest on each litter to run , or are we only allowed to report when he gets a city winner !
Get over yourself
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 09 Jun 2023 13:13
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After reading that dribble, you need to take a leaf out of your own book! Youre well and truly into yourself!!
Reporting on his litters is fine. Paul commented on that. Youre being taken to task for the mudslinging crap trying to link Droopys Sydney to a few mediocre sires past. Not to mention the standard of Irish/UK racing being low.
As Ive shown the current great cross of Ire / UK Larkhill Jo back into Droopys Kewell has already shown to be of equal stature in Australia through Dundee Osprey and Postman Pat.
Alan Brazier United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 245 Dogs 38 / Races 10 09 Jun 2023 13:53
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Darren Leeson wrote:
After reading that dribble, you need to take a leaf out of your own book! Youre well and truly into yourself!!
Reporting on his litters is fine. Paul commented on that. Youre being taken to task for the mudslinging crap trying to link Droopys Sydney to a few mediocre sires past. Not to mention the standard of Irish/UK racing being low.
As Ive shown the current great cross of Ire / UK Larkhill Jo back into Droopys Kewell has already shown to be of equal stature in Australia through Dundee Osprey and Postman Pat.
Darren it`s not worth talking to this idiot who keeps bleating at every body, what's he dread i wood like to know, and then we can put his breading to the test buddy.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 09 Jun 2023 20:45
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Again with the poor comprehension. That was in relation to the fact that it's best to use a sire after it's been proven in your country, not that DS is a dud already. Fair dinkum, if we spoke one on one rather than on a forum, 90% of our arguments wouldn't happen.
Isn't thst what I said
Use your own criteria and wait 3 years and check greyhound recorder stats and see if he performs to your criteria
By that time the dog will be dead or unavailable and you will have missed the boat
So breeding greyhounds, like anything else worthwile you do in life, requires faith, self belief, risk, vision, guts and action
Anyway thats off topic
You wait the 3 years and I will be looking for one of the DS sons thst no doubt will hit this country and try and work out the best pedigree match for one of Saldanas daughters
If one of them fits the bill, and for all my supposed lack of comprehension and any other character faults you want to take me to task on, the difference between you and me is that I will take action, not sit on the fence for 3 years
Good luck
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 09 Jun 2023 23:56
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What utter rubbish yet again Sandro. The dog would be 6 or 7 after three years at stud. He has at least another 5 years at stud still. Of course he wouldn't be dead. Even if he was you have FS to use. I bet Paul has bucket loads of Fernando Bale FS stored away for future use. Fair dinkum, are you deliberately playing dumb to wind me up?
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 10 Jun 2023 02:13
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Droopys Sydney is 11 years old , not 6 years old
Check your facts , he will be 14yo in 3 years time
There is none coming over from Ireland that I know about and pretty sure they are only drawing him for local usage
If there is a new shipment for DS I stand corrected
We aren't talking about Fernando Bale
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 10 Jun 2023 05:26
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Again I think we are talking about different things. I'm saying any young sire is worth waiting for, not DS in particular.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 10 Jun 2023 06:17
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Again I think we are talking about different things. I'm saying any young sire is worth waiting for, not DS in particular.
No Paul, we were and still are talking about Droopys Sydney, no other sire
You brought Fernando into it which has zero to do with this topic
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 10 Jun 2023 08:28
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Oh for goodness sake. You are impossible to talk to. You won't read what is written. You'll only read what you want to see. I won't change your distorted mind no matte what I say or how I try to get my point across. I give up.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
