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Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 713 Dogs 11 / Races 25 16 Jul 2023 02:29
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Fantasy four dog race at Albion Park (where none of them raced), over 520 metres.
All dogs 2 1/2 years old, all reared/fed/trained the same way.
Box 1 - Brother Fox
Box 3 - Temlee
Box 5 - Fernando Bale
Box 7 - Brett Lee
Who wins, and what's the finishing order and time run?
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 16 Jul 2023 02:59
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Haha, Brett Lee on the very outside in box 7 at Albion, to give the others a chance. With Fernando so faultless at box rise. Id say at Albion hed hold Brett Lee out to the first bend. So, this match race Id say either 5, 1, 3, 7 or 1, 5, 3, 7.
If Brett Lee lead, hes broken two many track records to get beat in front. If you reversed the boxes with Fernando, Brett Lee would be off and gone - then itd be 5, 1, 3, 7
Brother Fox off the 1 box would be too strong for all of them , he would drive up behind them and then finish it off and if Temlee got the clean run he could run down the Fox
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 16 Jul 2023 03:44
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Geoff Collins wrote:
Run it 4 times and get 4 different results but Temlee is the best dog I've ever seen and the world's best ever sire
Thats the way to gauge the breed shaping ability of a sire, by seeing how many individual stand alone sired branches a sire can leave. Dont disagree completely with you there Geoff. Temlee never got a shot internationally like Brett Lee did. But, theyre both top of the tree with my criteria. Temlee, ahead of Brett Lee at home.
I found this in Biffs sports almanac book , back to the future II
Its real !
Ps. You all need to read the post properly and answer accordingly! Instead of waffling !!
Except Geoff , he can do as he wishes and would be closest to hitting the bullseye !
Pss. As good as Geoff is , I have predicted 2 races on this forum . Its a roo , for his first city win at over odds and Simply limelight in the Easter egg .
At present between Biffs sports results book and my expertise over the top , Im probably correct thus far .
Jus sayin
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 16 Jul 2023 04:30
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Not even close Nathan. Fernando Bale had enough chances to break a city track record. The other 3 all broke a city track record. To think the other champions are getting beat in 29.48, I very much doubt it.
Fernando Bales biggest asset, was his ability to jump consistently and thats something Brett Lee had as well, but was a lot faster, breaking multiple track records. If FB held BL out then BF inside of T! Would grab FB. Nowhere to hide at Albion, youd have to be able to run a track record in this match race.
Not even close Nathan. Fernando Bale had enough chances to break a city track record. The other 3 all broke a city track record. To think the other champions are getting beat in 29.48, I very much doubt it.
Fernando Bales biggest asset, was his ability to jump consistently and thats something Brett Lee had as well, but was a lot faster, breaking multiple track records. If FB held BL out then BF inside of T! Would grab FB. Nowhere to hide at Albion, youd have to be able to run a track record in this match race.
Incorrect again , you didnt read the post properly as suggested and now more waffle has occurred ! If u wish to play this game do so as is instructed Darren !
Its all these dogs first go at Albion park ! I could be corrected , but if facts serve me correct .. has any dog got the Albion trec first look ?
This is a first look match race , stats tell me Fernando isnt going to make too many errors
Sub 29.40 first look ?? Stick to copying pedigrees Darren , this subject is outside your square !
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Jul 2023 04:57
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Way too many variables to even make a guess imo.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 16 Jul 2023 05:14
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Surely one of the Artificial Intelligence programs like ChatGPT could predict a winner, once given all the relevant information. I not very tech savvy, surely one of you young blokes know how to do it.
Not even close Nathan. Fernando Bale had enough chances to break a city track record. The other 3 all broke a city track record. To think the other champions are getting beat in 29.48, I very much doubt it.
Fernando Bales biggest asset, was his ability to jump consistently and thats something Brett Lee had as well, but was a lot faster, breaking multiple track records. If FB held BL out then BF inside of T! Would grab FB. Nowhere to hide at Albion, youd have to be able to run a track record in this match race.
Its a fantasy race Darren ? Lol its not real and there is no wrong answer ! Or theory A person who you agreed with said it could be won by 4 different results , yet when I answer you decide to single out a WAY OFF Nathan , not even close !
If theres anyone thats pathetic its as plain as day . Get a sense of humour Darren and leave your all too serious favouritism cards where the sun dont shine !
Ill make you look stupid everytime
Taking it too Darren seriously level but The comments your making on in comparison between dogs Fernando - lee and whos faster early ? They didnt even run on the same track makes and materials etc
Put Fernando on the old hard tracks and see how many trec he walks off . Its a non conclusive debate thats for a bit a fun . You dont have the answers let alone the precise fractions between 2 of our fastest ever dogs from diff eras !
Albion you could assume would siut the old timers , big strong track as apposed to the bullet smaller dogs , but Im taking the 4 champion approach and saying theyll all be ok
I did my times thru Tommy Shelby at wenty , 29.27 same as Fernando , he then got beat by shima shine in 29.50 being hampered
Ill say the champs are better then that but first look brings em back to anywhere up to 3/10s
Hence my 29.48 to the most consistent dog Ive ever seen with brother fox closing in on all of them late !
Do u know whats harder then running the 520 Albion park out Darren ? Trying to run down 2 dogs running serious time and doing it having sand thrown in ya face the whole way round !
Trec match race my arse ! Way off !
GRP and champion races are won with the dog who makes the least ERRORS and or has the most luck !
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 16 Jul 2023 06:22
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Youre not giving 2 of the all time greats the credit they deserve. Your whole argument is based off day in day out match races. Not a match race full of all time greats. Forget the the TRec time, Id be very surprised if Fernando Bale held off either Brother Fox or Temlee. Which Id suspect would be sitting right behind him, IF he held Brett Lee out to the first bend, in a 4 dog field. As Albion Park, you can come from off the pace like no other city track. Fernando Bale not being able to break a city track record. Is a big call he could beat all time greats under match race conditions.
FWIW my revised numbers - 1, 5, 3, 7 or even 1, 3, 5, 7
Enough of the fantasy for me. I live in the real world ;)
Yeh mate my choice of order fernando 1/2 length to Temlee with a length dead heat to lee and fox closing in is not enough credit to the older champions ! Lol
And you never training a dog makes u have no idea on a dog performing . The credit to ALL dogs is the race itself . Wow ?
I cant have the 2 late champions beating any of the early champs , which I dont anyway ? But you having both the early champs over 2 of the latest era champion dogs is what ? Enough credit !
Just a bit hypocritical , was the Brisbane cup just won from the front raced in around 29.60 ? No ground being made !
The race I referenced before in shima shine , all the way win 29.50 , no ground being made
Yeh We all live in the real world too mate , your the only one who turned it into a theres only one correct answer having never put a dog in a box
Ok this topic will let u go back to real world mate ! Thanks for your input Darren
Anthony Lord Australia (Verified User) Posts 39 Dogs 1 / Races 0 16 Jul 2023 07:42
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I think on a u turn brother fox would have the wood on them and two turns Brett lee would win more than he lost one thing about Brett lee he could do it at both ends record early record run home also remember back in the day have a look at all the big races brother fox and temlee contested there was at least 3 dogs that went to stud maybe more that doesnt happen today
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 16 Jul 2023 07:43
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
Fantasy four dog race at Albion Park (where none of them raced), over 520 metres.
All dogs 2 1/2 years old, all reared/fed/trained the same way.
Box 1 - Brother Fox
Box 3 - Temlee
Box 5 - Fernando Bale
Box 7 - Brett Lee
Who wins, and what's the finishing order and time run?
Make it a 6 Dog field and add New Tears and Pretty Short !
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 16 Jul 2023 07:49
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Pfft New Tears and Pretty Short. You are kidding. If you want a reserve put Black Top in.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 16 Jul 2023 07:55
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ROFLMAO !
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 16 Jul 2023 08:13
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1st Temlee 2nd Brett Lee 3rd Fernando bale 4th brother fox Change it around n go to Hobart Brother fox wins Temlee is the bench mark One only needs to look at the top studs sire line n many trace back to temlee Head honcho deserves to be 1st reserve
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