How about this one, best performed litter carrying Bekim Bale? https:/ CLICK HERE

Bekim Bale in complete non-commercial sires, has procured Group class from two seperate sires. Hes the dam sire of some absolute freaks and the 2nd dam of a sensational litter Like Wildfire etc. sired by the much maligned Goodesy.

1 out of a litter of 8 ?

Great

This thread or topic is up the creek as he was a disaster at stud and 99% wouldnt go near him again for many a good reason

If elite breeders who have the appropriate broods and money behind them to persevere with a 2 generation wait on a return for effort , good on em !

What happened to his other 7 litter mates ??

Oh theyre filling up GAP !

Wake up , for someone whos regarded as a respected breeder , your idea or measuring stick of success is rediculous Darren

Another freakishly fast one with Bekim Bale now in the 2nd dam sire position. Showing exactly what Bekim Bale has to offer in a broodbitch - https:/ CLICK HERE

The Nick is proven many times over thru other group chasing broods and studs , so many times thats its a bit more then just gobblitygook !

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Bekim bale over the same damline offers very little potent saturation levels at all ?

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The cross between surf lorian and Knocka norris displayed above at 94% is one of the most potent and proven nicks around .

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Just a few with many more to come in the next decade

Ive statistically shown the possibility of why the cross could be the cause for success in the above mating you displayed , can you explain the reason or logic why the connection between Bekim bale as a brood sire crossed with hooked on scotch works Darren ?

I hope its more then just a 4 x 5 duplication of Hallucinate .

Heres another Hooked On Scotch / Bekim Bale cross were all waiting to hit the track. After breaking a track record in a public trial. Just like Postman Pat no Surf Lorian to be found - https:/ CLICK HERE

Lol Ive heard it all now . Do u understand to run low 29s on 2 turns its speed and speed that produces those runs !

Whats zero Surf lorians relevance to your next mating ? Stick to the 1 mating at a time would you .

I think your own personal dealings are clouding your biased train of thoughts mate , no offence , but Jesus , talk about gobbledygook

All the crosses you talk about are a nicely positioned outcrosses , that allows an explosive nick to occur , its not about how one dogs name is on the pedigree tree being the key , its the mix of them together , but there will always be the one nick or reason a mating works thats come thru the pedigree , you just have to find it when looking at past matings or know how to put it into a possible play to produce it in future ones !

When you look at the sires, Hooked On Scotch, Barcia Bale, Go Wild Teddy, Knocka Norris, Keybow, Take The Kitty. All speed influences. Will be interesting to see, if Need A Margarita ever goes over the 700.

Dundee Osprey bred 3x4 Larkhill Jo through Droopys Kewell was a Group 1 winner over both the 500 & 700.

I think youre looking in the mirror at your own reflection bud!

Is it interesting is it Darren ! Howd they go at the same tracks bud over 500 mtr ?

Could they even break 30 sec ? No

Just because sires or broods run what they did it doesnt mean thats the given in the next mating with them continuing on ?

Just saying Bekim bale , sonic flight and larkhill jo are probable causes for a 29.20 run doesnt even add up to their own makeup or the last 10 years of evidence in their offspring traits !

You not being accepting of nicks that are anywhere in a pedigree amongst the same lines you are chasing in plain sight is your downfall imop

Ill say it again , to run 29.20 you need speed and speed nick, hence all the broods you mentioned couldnt do it !

Open your eyes

Need A Margarita, is bred on a globally fast, class cross. You think Michael Ivers hasnt looked to pick up on it? The interesting part, will be to see if she ever goes over the 700. Thats a wait and see. Having only had 3 lifetime starts.

Youd be better off trying to turn your gobbledygook into a result. Its the only way of knowing what youre pushing is right or wrong.

Anyone can get lucky Darren , the difference is everyone else who has had some luck doesnt suddenly think their a wizard !

Were all waiting on the same thing from you and your theories, by the sounds of it you cant seem to get past the whelping stage ?

For someone whos never trained a winner Ill leave your advice on how stayers perform where it belongs ! The facts are in the RACES , not trials or breakin stories !
If you trained any dog youd realise all strength dogs run hot qiuck sectionals in their first runs and can never repeat them again !

Its one of the first signs to look out for to increase the distance !

Keep your name dropping to yourself , the hobbyists with clean sheets couldnt give to hoots and dont operate under the same umbrella mate .

Whats a wait and see with NAM ? The dog could run 600 tomorow ? When you run that fast and 20 lengths infront it could jog the last 80mtr and still win .

Its what happens to the dog after the race and the following week and the next week after that determines what it is . All these things you dont see or know about from your lounge room chair or a TAB race replay .
A 600 mtr win doesnt mean your a 600 mtr dog ?

Good luck with your gobbledygook theories , hopefully you dont need to have another 3 litters to see what your pushing is right or wrong hey bud

I am going to Need a Margarita soon

You would after the Bekim bale / scotch x syndrome kicked into gear for that run !

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Big motors pea hearts and timid chase , hence zero value at stud and risky wherever he is positioned in your lines

Nothing elite about it , if done in larger numbers it would only be detrimental to the industry under its current conditions and rulings

Missed the started, posted off the track at the first bend. Expected to be a season competitor at a handful of starts.

Total nark post Nathan!

A month between runs ? Chances are Darren , or are u saying it probably stayed at home for 4 weeks ? Lol ,are you seriously that naive or just putting up a poor demonstration of being dumb !

Why was it posted wide Darren ? Are u watching the first 150 mtr when it wouldnt go past a dog with its head up in the air untouched ?

Again , just because you choose a certain way with your own personal selections dont have blinkers on and only see what you want to whilst steering others with less experience down the bullshit road !

Rather be portrayed as a nark instead of a gobbledygook spinner

Ps. You have a bad trait of reporting whilst everything is rosey but when it turns negative your not at home or its swept under the rug like it never happened ?

If you report one side Darren , its only helpful or truth when you cover the other also !

Selective reports are horse shyt which will always be picked up on by myself .

Lets see how she turns out. Regardless of her breeding, Im sure you wouldnt be sacking her out of your kennel off that run. When shes run 29.25 at The Gardens.

I was told she went 3020 before her start at wenty. Some dogs take a few looks to start to run time there. I have seen plenty of dogs run 2950 gardens that cant break 30 at wenty
Lets hope she shows her true speed at wenty as we all love watching fast dogs.

Again your making it personal or about the dog itself and or the trainer ?

Hopefully NAM can be a star ! Or any other dog for that matter , all Im observing and commenting on is a trait seen all too often with certain lines .

Nothing more , nothing less .

You can try and incorporate all the other personal crap you like outside what Im commenting and twist it to something thats not even being debated as per usual , but Im not being dragged into a convo about trainers or a specific dog etc .

Im talking breed and traits and what was blindingly obvious which you seem to want to dismiss ? He had clear running and no run off dogs at first turn to impede or hit , the dog cantering around the corner instead of chasing head down like what he did at gardens in a trial race ?

Two diff dogs which is why everyone gave up on these lines , very simple . If you wish to grab this and that and age and if the sun was out or it was cold , who cares , theres been plenty of dogs younger that changed kennels and went bang with authority .

Hopefully Im wrong for all concerned ( which Im not directing anything to ! ) but I know what I seen and that run into the first corner is concerning when pressure is applied and theres only one answer or reason y .

The breeding

Ps Paul 29.20 is a little bit diff to 29.50 , clearly a cut above that time . It should be breaking 30 everytime chasing with the same vigour it displayed at gardens

Please

29.20 on two turns identical track ? cant break 30 lol yep if you had that conundrum you would need a margarita