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Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Oct 2023 22:40
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Mark Wilcox wrote:
Sandro that is what you think but houses cars horses still bring in real good money you must realize owners trainers and breeders are full up with dogs they can not get rid of why would they want more, where are they going to put them the whole thing is a mental strain on people,if people could move dogs on the industry would hit top gear dont worry about that good luck with your cheap pup
Hi Mark
I do realize the problem, I have the same issues
Your solution seems to be, lets stop breeding because can't get the money I desire for my pups and you don;t want to sell them for a lower price
We may as well pack up now and close the sport, if that's the case
That's basically what you are saying
Am I right in assuming that?
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Oct 2023 22:47
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Reads like way to many Breeders in NSW are relying on GAP to Re Home Greyhounds !
"GOOD LUCK WITH THAT"
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Oct 2023 22:50
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Mark Staines wrote:
Reads like way to many Breeders in NSW are relying on GAP to Re Home Greyhounds !
"GOOD LUCK WITH THAT"
You won't need to worry about it
By your own admission, you have already tossed the toys out of the cot and left the sport?
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Oct 2023 23:03
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That's right Sandro no regrets either !
For the record, hardly any were Re Homed via GAP !
It's been stated on this Forum more than once that NSW biggest racing Kennell has been Re Homing there Dogs for years !
If they can do it why can't others do it ?
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Oct 2023 23:16
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You seem to have a lot to say for someone with no skin in the game
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Oct 2023 23:28
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Been there done that !
GAP drip feeds Greyhounds to the public because GRNSW and GWIC do not want people breeding Greyhounds it's that simple yet so difficult for some to comprehend !
Drip out drip in the automatic Hand Brake on Breeding and WOW isn't it working a treat !
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Oct 2023 23:43
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Mark Staines wrote:
Been there done that !
GAP drip feeds Greyhounds to the public because GRNSW and GWIC do not want people breeding Greyhounds it's that simple yet so difficult for some to comprehend !
Drip out drip in the automatic Hand Brake on Breeding and WOW isn't it working a treat !
Mark
It has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory
The cost of living is dictating the terms as well as the increased costs of keeping pets
"The RSPCA is clear that the cost of living is one of the greatest threats to animal welfare. Addressing unaffordable animal healthcare costs is vital to ensure owners are not, as the charity puts it, only one unexpected bill away from having to give up their pets.''
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Oct 2023 23:52
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ROFLMAO come on Sandro you can do better than that !
Instead of wasting $$$$ on the Greyhound Industry Hand Brake that is GAP !
Pay participants a subsidy to Re Home there Greyhounds !
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 25 Oct 2023 00:53
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Been there done that !
GAP drip feeds Greyhounds to the public because GRNSW and GWIC do not want people breeding Greyhounds it's that simple yet so difficult for some to comprehend !
Drip out drip in the automatic Hand Brake on Breeding and WOW isn't it working a treat !
Mark
It has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory
The cost of living is dictating the terms as well as the increased costs of keeping pets
"The RSPCA is clear that the cost of living is one of the greatest threats to animal welfare. Addressing unaffordable animal healthcare costs is vital to ensure owners are not, as the charity puts it, only one unexpected bill away from having to give up their pets.''
I strongly advise against quoting the RSPCA !
The RSPCA is a Corporation !
Who kills thousands of Animals every year !
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 25 Oct 2023 01:18
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Mark Staines wrote:
ROFLMAO come on Sandro you can do better than that !
Instead of wasting $$$$ on the Greyhound Industry Hand Brake that is GAP !
Pay participants a subsidy to Re Home there Greyhounds !
Wouldnt be a bad idea, it has been discussed
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 25 Oct 2023 01:19
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Mark Staines wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Been there done that !
GAP drip feeds Greyhounds to the public because GRNSW and GWIC do not want people breeding Greyhounds it's that simple yet so difficult for some to comprehend !
Drip out drip in the automatic Hand Brake on Breeding and WOW isn't it working a treat !
Mark
It has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory
The cost of living is dictating the terms as well as the increased costs of keeping pets
"The RSPCA is clear that the cost of living is one of the greatest threats to animal welfare. Addressing unaffordable animal healthcare costs is vital to ensure owners are not, as the charity puts it, only one unexpected bill away from having to give up their pets.''
I strongly advise against quoting the RSPCA !
The RSPCA is a Corporation !
Who kills thousands of Animals every year !
' They are talking about pet ownership in general
Have you ever had to have a pet dog's broken leg plated and screwed at your local vet?
Not much change from $8k
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 25 Oct 2023 04:25
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Sandro why dont you pay the right price then we wont have to pack up and close the sport will we
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 25 Oct 2023 04:26
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Mark Wilcox wrote:
Sandro why dont you pay the right price then we wont have to pack up and close the sport will we
Mark
It was an auction, market price was actually $3,500 passed in, I made an offer above the passed in price and they accepted it
Obviously they were motivated sellers
So if you go to a house auction and you get a house a $100k cheaper are you going to pay more to the vendor? I don't think so...
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 25 Oct 2023 05:37
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Sandro you said they wanted 6,000 when it was 3 months old you paid 4,000 at 8 months old thats what i mean why breed
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 25 Oct 2023 05:38
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Been there done that !
GAP drip feeds Greyhounds to the public because GRNSW and GWIC do not want people breeding Greyhounds it's that simple yet so difficult for some to comprehend !
Drip out drip in the automatic Hand Brake on Breeding and WOW isn't it working a treat !
Mark
It has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory
The cost of living is dictating the terms as well as the increased costs of keeping pets
"The RSPCA is clear that the cost of living is one of the greatest threats to animal welfare. Addressing unaffordable animal healthcare costs is vital to ensure owners are not, as the charity puts it, only one unexpected bill away from having to give up their pets.''
I strongly advise against quoting the RSPCA !
The RSPCA is a Corporation !
Who kills thousands of Animals every year !
' They are talking about pet ownership in general
Have you ever had to have a pet dog's broken leg plated and screwed at your local vet?
Not much change from $8k
Yeah life's great if your a Vet $$$$
A Licence to rob people !
Garry Carter the battlers Vet, what a great bloke he was !
Shame there's not more like him !
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 25 Oct 2023 07:05
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Mark Wilcox wrote:
Sandro you said they wanted 6,000 when it was 3 months old you paid 4,000 at 8 months old thats what i mean why breed
2 years ago they would have got $6,000 at 3 months and probably more at the auction
The mum was well performed, she was by Barcia Bale and ran 26.1 & 28.7 at Bulli , 30.1 @ WP, 29.8 at Dapto, 30.1 @ Albion Park
I understand your point, but you need to get my point that markets change with the times , at the moment we are in a down period, not just because of rehoming, which is a big factor in our sport, but money is also tight out there for people just to live
Look mate, if you feel its not worth it then don't it
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 25 Oct 2023 11:44
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Mark Wilcox wrote:
Sandro you said they wanted 6,000 when it was 3 months old you paid 4,000 at 8 months old thats what i mean why breed
2 years ago they would have got $6,000 at 3 months and probably more at the auction
The mum was well performed, she was by Barcia Bale and ran 26.1 & 28.7 at Bulli , 30.1 @ WP, 29.8 at Dapto, 30.1 @ Albion Park
I understand your point, but you need to get my point that markets change with the times , at the moment we are in a down period, not just because of rehoming, which is a big factor in our sport, but money is also tight out there for people just to live
Look mate, if you feel its not worth it then don't it
We just disagree that its tough times all round thats determining our sport ? The Poeple disagreeing actually get up at 5am every morning everyday all year and have 10 years on you in the game .
You need to listen to those points from these Poeple ! Its the industry set up mate ! In tough living times our sport is the best to be in ??? Stats and turnover thru the worst times seen in decades in covid proved that !
Your not listening at all , as usual
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 25 Oct 2023 17:59
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Mark Wilcox wrote:
Sandro why dont you pay the right price then we wont have to pack up and close the sport will we
My point is Mark, do breeders want to cover their costs or retire and go on holidays. I wasnt going to mention your litter but seeing were at this point I will. You have six pups out of a good brood by an unproven sire at this stage at $15000 each. If sold you will pocket $90,000. Is this what you need to cover your costs of breeding because I wouldnt think so. And I wouldnt pay that much for any pup let alone from an unproven sire. Dont get me wrong I hope they all turn out group dogs but we all know the probability of that. Some of them may never win a race, so I may as well buy a cheap pup as Sandro did as you put it and not win a race. A friend of mine took six pups to Ipswich and brought them all home. He said there was fifteen pups that sold out of about fifty. Is that right Sandro and good luck with your cheap pup that could turn out to be a champion . Thats my point. Cheers
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 25 Oct 2023 20:00
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michael worth wrote:
Mark Wilcox wrote:
Sandro why dont you pay the right price then we wont have to pack up and close the sport will we
My point is Mark, do breeders want to cover their costs or retire and go on holidays. I wasnt going to mention your litter but seeing were at this point I will. You have six pups out of a good brood by an unproven sire at this stage at $15000 each. If sold you will pocket $90,000. Is this what you need to cover your costs of breeding because I wouldnt think so. And I wouldnt pay that much for any pup let alone from an unproven sire. Dont get me wrong I hope they all turn out group dogs but we all know the probability of that. Some of them may never win a race, so I may as well buy a cheap pup as Sandro did as you put it and not win a race. A friend of mine took six pups to Ipswich and brought them all home. He said there was fifteen pups that sold out of about fifty. Is that right Sandro and good luck with your cheap pup that could turn out to be a champion . Thats my point. Cheers
Exactly Michael, there were no buyers there and I only bought mine at the last minute because the prices were that ludicrously cheap that I couldn't resist it.
The pup I bought should have sold for $10k at that age, so I don't consider it cheaply bred, only cheap due to the economic circumstances, despite prizemoney being at an all-time high and especially prizemoney in Qld and what was on offer for those special races.
The money just wasn't there.
If it's any good, so be it, but as you know there is about an 80% chance of failure with any pup regardless of its breeding.
I haven't bought a pup in years as generally breed my own from the brood bitches I have at home that I look after at home in a HANDS-ON fashion.
In life there are plenty of people that just want to listen to the sound of their self-important voice and tell you how great they are rather than discuss anything in a logical discussion
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 25 Oct 2023 20:42
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Thanks Sandro, but even if they sold all the pups you brought at the price you paid they should still go close to cover their costs depending how many in the litter. Its funny how we all want track upgrades and new tracks etc, when maybe we should be asking for a greyhound retirement farm. I think its a shame we are losing people like Mark from the industry but fear there will be more doing the same. Its not just the antis we should be worried about but should be pushing our governing bodies for a solution to this ever growing problem. Cheers
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