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Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 14 Jun 2006 11:19
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CLICK HERE Does anyone know anything about the background of this bitch in the UK or Ireland - her racing career, littermates, racing career of her sire and dam. She has had a tremendous influence on Australian breeding and it would be interesting to know what is behind that influence. Pity that the oldtimers who might remember her are not likely to be on the net. Cheers, Tom
Chris Hislop Australia (Verified User) Posts 2497 Dogs 210 / Races 60 14 Jun 2006 12:33
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Tom
This bitch could be argued to have had an influence as important as most of the imported sires we have seen here. The Man In The Tree did a write up on her about 12 months ago, perhaps he may have some more detail on her. One of those lines that has just kept on producing champions generation after generation.
Cheers
Chris
Adam Jones Australia (Verified User) Posts 2275 Dogs 0 / Races 1 14 Jun 2006 12:53
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LOL very interesting i was , only just last looking at tapestry's bloodlines because my primo uno pups have 3 crosses of her in there breeding, she really has been a foundation bitch of austrailian racing, so many champs have come from her line , interesting to see what more knowledgable people can tell us on this great bitch.
Michael Murphy Ireland (Verified User) Posts 4723 Dogs 1673 / Races 1 14 Jun 2006 15:51
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Use Database please. Like other members I was interested when Tapestry came up. We were pretty well aware of Which Chariot and Tivoli Dreamer but Tapestry being a bottom line, was different. I was not able to get anything on her racing career, this was not surprising with 14 tracks around London and 5 or 6 around the likes of Manchester and Liverpool. She was bred by J. H. Chadwick, Leer, nr. Cirencester, Glos. We can readily see where the O' Leer prefix in the pedigree came from. Chadwick for your tracers was the judge for the Waterloo Cup meetings from 1947 to well in to the 60s. The dam of Tapestry, Danger O' Leer was bred to a number of good dogs and we find Leslie Reynolds and the other Waterloo Cup slipper Jimmy Rimmer as owners of her offspring. The sire of Tapestry, Quare Customer had been an outstanding racer for Norman Dupont in the U.K. but D.O'L had to travel to Ireland to mate him.
Quare Customer's lines are interesting , his sire, Mad Tanist was the outstanding Irish stud of the 40s and whose top line traced back to Inler. The dam of Quare Customer, Queen Song traced back to Jaunty Elf who was a litter sister of Inler. Jaunty Elf was also the dam of Evelyn's Bank who in turn was the grand dam of Raging Tornado the dam of Ballymac Ball. The dam of Queen of the Song, Quite Welcome was of course also the dam of Quare Times. So it is fair to say that few studs of the fifties carried bloodlines equal to Quare Customer.
What can you say about Baytown Nightingale and her owner Paddy Barry of Baytown, Dunboyne, Co Meath. In her litter to Bah's Choice, besides Danger O' Leer B.N. bred Quality O' Leer grand dam of Chittering Clapton and also in that litter was Dancer O' Leer who we find in the bottom line of Dark Baby. Baytown Nightingale traced back to the highly influential Lady Ashgrove and we might have a look at her descendants, Paddy, Harry and Bernard Barry at some time later.
Mugs.
Terry Kates *deleted United Kingdom (Forum Access denied) Posts 399 Dogs 6 / Races 0 14 Jun 2006 19:02
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i am certain that she raced at WEMBLEY, which i thought before mug s posting, his reference to chadwick ,du pont both wembley owners reinforces my fading memory, further her grand dam baytown nightingale was mated to latest selection owned by another prominent wembley owner mrs lilah sheenan whose prefix was .. latest... and she was also a gloucester resident as was chadwick . friends and colleagues tended to race their dogs at the same track. wembley was, despite the derby held at white city ,the premier stadium and the venue of the monied owners the likes of george flintham, noel purvis and al burnett, the owner of the famous praire wonder, or to the uninitiated better known as pigalle wonder it was rare for dogs to be sent to faraway australia in those days and i would suggest that this english dam would have epitomised the term of OUTCROSSING and maybe this has been her legacy terry
Chris Hislop Australia (Verified User) Posts 2497 Dogs 210 / Races 60 14 Jun 2006 20:56
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Adam
What is the bitch your Primo Uno's are out of? I bred to him to get a triple cross of Mandalass, yet another outstanding broodbitch from this line.
Tom Hugh McGuire the Quare breeder is still at the top of the game and may have some info, I'll try to contact him and if he has anything of interest I'll post you.
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 14 Jun 2006 23:03
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Fanastic response so far, thanks guys - hope even more info comes in. Best of luck Seamus. As you can see she really is an important bitch who has been great to line breed to. Cheers, Tom
Michael Murphy Ireland (Verified User) Posts 4723 Dogs 1673 / Races 1 14 Jun 2006 23:56
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Terry's memory is in line with my own and also the records. Wembley was the stadium, Leslie Reynolds, Jack Harvey, Noel Purvis, George Flintham and so many great dogs. White City housed the Derby but the Posh were at Wembley.
Thanks Terry for recalling the first lady President and trustee of The National Coursing Club namely the great Lilah Shennan . She was a regular visitor and buyer of our Irish greyhounds. Major " Holystone" Renwick was also part of that group which we might discuss later.
The Quare prefix relates to Billy Quinn of Killenaule, Co.Tipperary. Quinn's great dogs were Brilliant Bob and Ballynennan Moon. I have no record of the modern Quare prefix being connected to the Quinns although some of that family are still in greyhounds. That said there may be a connection which we can discuss later too.
Mugs.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15481 Dogs 0 / Races 1 15 Jun 2006 03:19
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Tom, Some months ago i Put up about taperstry and another great bitch Secretly .Also look at another great bitch Gorgous babe.
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 15 Jun 2006 07:19
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Hi Jack, Did a search but couldn't find your post about Tapestry - did it have any information about her racing career or littermates? Can you tell me where to find it ?
Well aware of Gorgeous Babe and Secretly. Throw in Golden Dimples and Rockleen (along with Tapestry) and I reckon you've got a Hall of Fame for foundation bitches in Australia.
Oops - Better throw in Osti Lee or Travelling Bird will take a piece out of me next time I walk her!
Adam Jones Australia (Verified User) Posts 2275 Dogs 0 / Races 1 15 Jun 2006 15:34
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CHRIS the bitch i mated to primo uno is ASHWOOD GROVE she is by awesome assassin out of first class lady , first class lady is out of the GREAT litter including BLACK SHIRAZ, BIG GINGER BOY, GINGER MAGEE , primo uno is a full blood cousin of ashwood grove giving me a triplecross of MANDALASS (giving me the triplecross of tapestry), i've already been offered good money for the only bitch in the litter but she is not for sale as she will be the future of my breeding, they are only 6 months old at the moment but signs are good so far. the bitch is a magnificent type already and i cant wait till shes old enough to breed on to keep this great line going.
Chris Hislop Australia (Verified User) Posts 2497 Dogs 210 / Races 60 15 Jun 2006 21:28
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Hi Adam
Very nice lines : CLICK HERE very similar to the litter we bred that I'm breaking in at the moment: CLICK HERE . We were so impressed with the type and attitude of this litter we have been back another 2 times to him. As a double cross it has worked extremely well and like you the triple cross is a very exciting prospect. Our litter created big interest when advertised and sold out very uickly, funnily enough most people wanted bitches, like you there was only 1 bitch in the litter and she wasn't for sale. We could have sold another 20 lol.
Cheers
Chris Hislop
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 16 Jun 2006 01:46
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Adam - I notice that you have the Tangaloa sire line (himself Tapestry damline) and the Tapestry damline over and over again here. Beautiful breeding for a broodbitch or stud dog. Only concern is the double cross of Ginger which as far as I know hasn't worked yet. But when there is a well performed stud dog WITH a double cross of Ginger I will be first in line! Wishing you every success with these and hope I will be bringing a bitch to your stud dog in 3 or 4 years.
There is a LOT of demand for well bred bitch pups at the moment - seems enthusiasm for breeding in Australia is on the up.
(Chris - both your "Click here"s are the same - happens a lot with cutting and pasting - curious about the other litter you are talking about.) Cheers, Tom
Adam Jones Australia (Verified User) Posts 2275 Dogs 0 / Races 1 16 Jun 2006 02:23
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TOM , one dog you might like to look at his pedigree is TURBO UNO he has a doublecross of ginger 3*4 , he has the 700m track record at bendigo rand 2nd in the group 1 sandown cup , he shown alot of staying promise and is putting it all together now, still alot more racing ahead of him as he isnt 3 years old yet.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15481 Dogs 0 / Races 1 16 Jun 2006 04:03
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Tom, Sorry didn't reply just spotted your request.It wasn't a new post but mentioned in a reply about great brood bitches.I tried to find it in search but i cant find it. It could have been trashed when some of us were NAUGHTY and parts removed. JBG
Chris Hislop Australia (Verified User) Posts 2497 Dogs 210 / Races 60 16 Jun 2006 04:41
Michael Murphy Ireland (Verified User) Posts 4723 Dogs 1673 / Races 1 16 Jun 2006 06:26
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Tom, Well, she had to be a good bitch for them to transport her all the way to Oz. Also, did I come across a stud with "O'Leer" breeding standing in Australia during the fifties. Thought it said fee was 100 dollars, it seemed a lot then. Jack, cannot say much, amnesty conditions, but there sure was a lot of stuff binned.
Mugs.
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 16 Jun 2006 09:13
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Thanks Mugs, If it was in the 1950s it would have been 100 pounds, which would be at the top of the scale in those days. Noticed there was another bitch from Ireland that appeared in Australia around the same time: CLICK HERE She was from a half sister to the dam of Tapestry. Red Skies was owned by a G.H. Leverett and later on G. Tagell (I actually remember going to Tagell's track as a kid in the early 1970s) The Red Skies line seems to have produced some handy dogs and the line persisted in Australia until the 1990s. So it seems someone brought out a few related dogs. Tapestry's owner is listed in the 1964-65 Australian stud book as S.G. Morgan in one entry and N.A. Francis in another. Tapestry also had a son called Lord Lakey who had some success at stud and his bloodlines are still found today through his daughter Lord's Dian. He was owned by Jackie Hall, I remember his kennels from those years as well - dammit these people could have shed a lot of light on this but I didn't know it then.
Terry Kates *deleted United Kingdom (Forum Access denied) Posts 399 Dogs 6 / Races 0 16 Jun 2006 10:50
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tom i did refer to this mating in my posting but did not highlight it so you obviously missed it. with the high transport costs only dams considered worthy would have been sent out and both these bitches have connections with knowledgable wembley owners/breeders
mugs 100 australian at that time had an exchange rate approximately equal to its current dollar value 2.5 to the pound meaning 40 sterling.not more expensive than most english/irish sires at the time, excepting of course MAD TANIST who if again my memmory serves me correctly stood at 100!! terry
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