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Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 18 Feb 2012 02:37
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malcolm mccabe wrote:
Michael,with the results from the litter, 6 royal Assassin.1 Puzzle prize. 1 meticulos. i feel you might not achieve any thing,by just 1 PP, 1 MET. that leaves 6 from the other sire,to obtain the disired results your looking for. I just dont think numbers arnt enough.But OF COURSE ONLY Time will tell. Still think its interesting, but will it work. Mal Mc.
agree malcolm, not the perfect breakup , but its always going to be a punt , using several sires i guess ,
but none the less there is still three sires there to compare when and if they ever get to the track , its not something i would do very often , if ever again , and i do think the more expensive the sires used, the bigger the punt lol
Graeme Beasley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3265 Dogs 27 / Races 5 18 Feb 2012 03:06
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michael barry wrote:
malcolm mccabe wrote:
Michael,with the results from the litter, 6 royal Assassin.1 Puzzle prize. 1 meticulos. i feel you might not achieve any thing,by just 1 PP, 1 MET. that leaves 6 from the other sire,to obtain the disired results your looking for. I just dont think numbers arnt enough.But OF COURSE ONLY Time will tell. Still think its interesting, but will it work. Mal Mc.
agree malcolm, not the perfect breakup , but its always going to be a punt , using several sires i guess ,
but none the less there is still three sires there to compare when and if they ever get to the track , its not something i would do very often , if ever again , and i do think the more expensive the sires used, the bigger the punt lol
Any comparison would be way lopsided as you'd effectively be comparing a litter of 6 with 2 litters of one each.
I still can't see any worthwhile reason for splitting litters unless you believe (at least) one of the vials is faulty.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 18 Feb 2012 05:58
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You say that now...what if 12 pups...4 of each...breeders choice do it or don't...easy...
Graeme Beasley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3265 Dogs 27 / Races 5 18 Feb 2012 08:04
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Of course and I've stated that in the past - I have no problem with others doing it but I don't see the point.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 18 Feb 2012 08:51
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Graeme Beasley wrote:
michael barry wrote:
malcolm mccabe wrote:
Michael,with the results from the litter, 6 royal Assassin.1 Puzzle prize. 1 meticulos. i feel you might not achieve any thing,by just 1 PP, 1 MET. that leaves 6 from the other sire,to obtain the disired results your looking for. I just dont think numbers arnt enough.But OF COURSE ONLY Time will tell. Still think its interesting, but will it work. Mal Mc.
agree malcolm, not the perfect breakup , but its always going to be a punt , using several sires i guess ,
but none the less there is still three sires there to compare when and if they ever get to the track , its not something i would do very often , if ever again , and i do think the more expensive the sires used, the bigger the punt lol
Any comparison would be way lopsided as you'd effectively be comparing a litter of 6 with 2 litters of one each.
I still can't see any worthwhile reason for splitting litters unless you believe (at least) one of the vials is faulty.
all litters are lopsided , in general not often they all perform the same ,
Our split litter has just moved into the kennels and are heading off to the breakers in three weeks. Looking at them, other than colour, I wouldn't be able to pick that the Velocette bitch is by a different sire. It will be interesting to see how they go.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 11 Apr 2012 03:13
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Best of luck with them Larissa
Karl Batshon Australia (Verified User) Posts 137 Dogs 2 / Races 1 10 Aug 2012 13:14
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For all that have done a split litter any regrets. Can't choose between two sires and just wondering what the downsides are. MucH appreciated
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 10 Aug 2012 23:36
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Karl Batshon wrote:
For all that have done a split litter any regrets?
Very good question Karl. I'd like to hear if there were any negatives too. I'd reckon beside the obvious extra expense in using 2 or 3 "Breeding units" and the DNAing of every pup......there wouldn't be to many regrets beside finding out the final result.....How many pups belonged to sire A & sire B etc. One question I'd like to be answered too (don't know if its been asked yet).....Did the A.I. operation cost the same? Cheers............Steve
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 11 Aug 2012 05:40
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Did the A.I. operation cost the same? Cheers............Steve
yes
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 11 Aug 2012 06:47
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Would probably have a go at this...IF...I was to keep all the resulting pups...wonder what the market would think of them...???
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 11 Aug 2012 06:50
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michael barry wrote:
Did the A.I. operation cost the same? Cheers............Steve
yes
So only charged as if one FSI was done...no extra for the thawing and checking of the second or third frozen...???
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 11 Aug 2012 07:47
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grant thomas wrote:
michael barry wrote:
Did the A.I. operation cost the same? Cheers............Steve
yes
So only charged as if one FSI was done...no extra for the thawing and checking of the second or third frozen...???
thats it grant , one fee i was charged , three sires used ,
Karl Batshon Australia (Verified User) Posts 137 Dogs 2 / Races 1 13 Aug 2012 05:05
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I take it No downsides at all so those that have done it would definitely go again for a split?
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 13 Aug 2012 05:09
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Other than a 7-1 split...or...6-1-1-split...if you like it do it...
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 13 Aug 2012 08:33
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Karl Batshon wrote:
I take it No downsides at all so those that have done it would definitely go again for a split?
no downside as far as the breeding went , but i wont be doing it again for some time , it allowed me to use some frozen semen which i was sick of paying storage on lolllllllllll
Karl Batshon Australia (Verified User) Posts 137 Dogs 2 / Races 1 14 Aug 2012 06:51
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Thanks Michael I am torn between sires and just thinking do I take the gamble on a split litter and hope I get an even spread.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 14 Aug 2012 08:19
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Karl Batshon wrote:
Thanks Michael I am torn between sires and just thinking do I take the gamble on a split litter and hope I get an even spread.
im no expert but in my case the semen that was years old produced the six pups , the other two vials drawn recently produced one pup per vial ,
perhaps years ago the semen wasnt stretched so far lolllllllllllllll
Tor Janes Australia (Verified User) Posts 10024 Dogs 16 / Races 0 14 Aug 2012 08:26
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Why the rush Karl just out of interest?
If you cant decide toss a coin so to speak as in use one first time then go to the other...jmo
Really from what I have seen and I have spoken to and ive seen a split litter its for experienced breeders that whelp and rear themselves or people that have straws to use and are experimenting jmo
anyway all the best whatever you decide.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 11 Feb 2013 07:25
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michael barry wrote:
Karl Batshon wrote:
Thanks Michael I am torn between sires and just thinking do I take the gamble on a split litter and hope I get an even spread.
im no expert but in my case the semen that was years old produced the six pups , the other two vials drawn recently produced one pup per vial ,
perhaps years ago the semen wasnt stretched so far lolllllllllllllll
just to update this topic , we lost the bitch from puzzle prize early in the peice,
six pups went to mc namaras for breakin, 5 royal assassins and the meticulos dog, picked them up yesterday all went within one and a half lengths of each other , in 18.50 the meticulos dog quickest first split , one of the royal assassin bitches quickest run home time ,
pup number 7 has a little injury and didnt go to the breakers yet, but he is a nice dog and hopefully he goes ok as well ,
i know breakin means nothing , so we will see how they progress over coming months , its an interesting concept and i think its worth following up on what the pups can achieve from such a mating ,
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
