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Steven Maguire
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18 Sep 2009 18:49
| WOULD YOU BREED HER OFFSPRING AND WHAT TO.
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Scott Jackson
Australia
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18 Sep 2009 22:17
| Do we assume you're talking about her bitches Steve?
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Scott Jackson
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18 Sep 2009 22:42
| Which litter is she from-may help with sire suggestions.
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Steven Maguire
Ireland
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18 Sep 2009 23:08
| BITCHES.YE OR NEY
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Scott Jackson
Australia
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18 Sep 2009 23:11
| From which litter???
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Mal Dawson
Australia
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18 Sep 2009 23:50
| Steve there are a couple of the better performed bitches that havent got any pups on the ground yet but over all to date they have been disapointing. Actually thats not a fair statement, the bitches that have pups on the ground were only average and they have not added to there own performances. this is a classic eg of average bitches producing average stock regardless of wat there bitchline has produced. if these bitches carried the ability gene that there brothers did then they would have been better racing propositions. but on sheer numbers one of them might produce a group quality pup and someone will sing there praises...... not for me at this stage and id love to know wat prices were put on these pups considering they were sisters of good dogs.
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Darren McKenzie
Australia
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19 Sep 2009 00:07
| If you owned an 'Elusive Rebel' daughter you'd have to breed with her to answer your question............. There's enough 'CLASS' in the 'Elusive Rebel' mix to make it a worthwhile gamble even if the daughter was average on the track AND others daughters have so far failed to flatter.............because regardless of forum noise............until you breed with a female and race her offspring, you never ever know...... So yes, I would............... Funny thing to about breeding........... often, like in the case of 'Balligari x Golden Fox', the best results from proven group winning damlines aren't necessarily every generation !!!
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Jeff Holland
Australia
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19 Sep 2009 00:13
| Steven, all the oz form websites, list prizemoney won. Go through the form of the pups from ER's daughters, and add it up. It wont take long.
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Darren McKenzie
Australia
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19 Sep 2009 00:24
| If you had a 'Brett Lee x Elusive Rebel' daughter ??? CLICK HERE She carries 'clever' Osti linebreeding thru 'GLO/Paris Match'..........I'd look to add more of this plus she carries 'Wee Sal' and we know how well that goes with well placed 'Malawi's Prince/Shining Chariot'................. So maybe something like this ........... CLICK HERE There are some super 'clever' linebreedings if he was used over her. If it's a 'Token Prince x Elusive Rebel' bitch ??? CLICK HERE Again, we know that 'True Temptation/Secret Bride' go nicely with 'Flying Amy'..................so this was good .... CLICK HERE And I'd try 'Just The Best' too................ CLICK HERE And I'd even push the envelope and try 'Cool Effort' over her.......... CLICK HERE If it was an 'Elite State x Elusive Rebel' bitch ?? 'Token Prince' of course............. CLICK HERE Or 'Chuck'................. CLICK HERE There's a few................... Let me know if you'd like daughters from her others matings looked at and I'll throw in a few more options based upon balanced linebreeding 'cleverly'........... If you pair them right............you're more than half a chance, imho. If you mate them 'best to best' or let me say, leading sire to a daughter without any 'balanced (dominant) linebreeding' thought...........the average stats often quoted will definitely apply ........
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Darren McKenzie
Australia
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19 Sep 2009 00:48
| I see she only has 2x more litters so............ 'Collision x Elusive Rebel' ?? CLICK HERE This 'Warrigul Oaks' winner would be a nice bitch to breed from........... I'd be using 1x of my 'Brett Lee' frozens over her for starters........... CLICK HERE He brings 'Wee Sal' to her 'Centrefire/Malawi's Prince' and forms the 'Sobbing Sal/Light OF Fire' clever theme...........plus the 'Osti' clever linebreding thru 'GLO/Paris Match' is also formed.................... I think 'Global Warming' could be sensational too........... CLICK HERE It has 'clever linebreeding' whammies right throughout it..............be a fab gamble if you couldn't afford to breed the good dog over her. And, 'Spiral Nikita x Elusive Rebel' ?? CLICK HERE Again, she'd be super with 'Brett Lee'..............but I also think that her strength is 'Ballinderry Moth/Skipping Chick' so I'd be keen to balance linebreed the 2x great Irish female names first.................so I'd do this............. CLICK HERE And treasure the daughters it produced for future broods back to our best aussie sires...............especially ones carrying more 'Maythorn Pride/Skipping Chick/Ballinderry Moth'...........maybe like this............ CLICK HERE There you go mate................that's all of her matings daughters mated - lol cheers
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Scott Jackson
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19 Sep 2009 01:49
| Darren,you took the words right out of my mouth,lol!!!!!
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Tomas Mika
Germany
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19 Sep 2009 03:06
| Breed with her, yes - if she is well conformed with good temperament and decent pace....ideally if she comes from a very good litter and if you have the right feeling with her. Unfortunately the pedigree alone offers no guarantees...and a super dam doesnt always produce great broods. regards, Tomas
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Steven Maguire
Ireland
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19 Sep 2009 10:05
| thanks
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Mal Dawson
Australia
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06 Nov 2009 12:11
| Just looking through her daughters performances there are 68 named dogs with no CITY WINNERS, has any of her daughters produced a city winner to date. Obviously there are more dogs that are listed and theres probably more races than are listed but does anyone know weather her daughters have produced a city winner to date.
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Mal Dawson
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06 Nov 2009 12:57
| Tom the first one on your list won in good time at SANDOWN in a maiden final but did she win a city race. I cant get form about the 2nd one , can you tell me weather he won a city race because the 3rd one you mentioned DID NOT win at city meeting that i know of.
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Tom Flanagan
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06 Nov 2009 13:07
| Mal - use a combination of QDOG performances and EDOG (GRV) to get all the info you need. Guru won a 5th grade at The Meadows on 24/11/07 which was a Saturday night. LAst Resort won on a Monday night at Albion Park 21/7/08 - being the third Monday of the month you'd think it was a Class2 but if you look at the prizemoney on QDOG 1 BNEM start for 1 win and $1920 which is Class 1 prizemoney for Monday nights at Albion Park.
Cheers,
Tom
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Tom Flanagan
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06 Nov 2009 13:38
| CLICK HERE - another Thursday night maiden final winner at Sandown. If a great bitchline is not producing - go for the outcross!
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Sandro Bechini
Australia
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06 Nov 2009 14:00
| Tom Flanagan wrote:
| CLICK HERE - another Thursday night maiden final winner at Sandown. If a great bitchline is not producing - go for the outcross!
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I reckon that is sound advice
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John Maher
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07 Nov 2009 12:51
| hi,what does anybody think off this breeding greylag juliet,could someone please do the click.thanks.john
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Do you have questions about breeding theories?