my main reason in possibly using him, was to not go all out 100% for an untapped irish import, but to have a split in his breeding where the breeder of the dog had done the outcross for me. without being a smart arse and 'knocking' the imports (irish or american) there are not many choices apart from PREMIER FANTASY or KIOWA SWEET TREY who at least gave us a look at the type of stock ability wise, they would sire....the rest, save my verdicts.

in horse racing (obviously different) breeders would use an un performed stallion purely on his majestic breeding background....sons of.....but in dogs we place more emphasis on PERFORMANCE on the track and the class of those races, more than the dogs breeding background.

so if a dog is well bred like COSMIC RUMBLE, he has to do everything right on the track, before he will be accepted, as we are very tough on our assessments of dogs here, and breeding, while important when he first started winning, suddenly gets categorised when his sire (spiral nakita) or himself does not reach the expectations of breeders.

there are so many others in this CATEGORISED module who are damned as soon as they dont reach the lofty heights WE expect of them....but the shrewd breeder who sees what he wants and goes and does it, takes no interest in the judgements of others....he/she sees what as a breeder they are trying to acheive when breeding with the dam, and do it...regardless.

to me , thats a good breeder, a breeder who assesses a match, not what he did or didnt do on the track, and he must have done something to attract there attention in the first place.
an dont forget, severe injuries will hamper a dogs performance drastically, and unless your right in the kennel no how, we dont often get to hear whats caused this dog to not reach the heights we expected.
it happens.

he will be a good stud i beleive, and he will be well marketed to attract matrons, so i wont matter to him or his stud master....if people want him they will use him.thats a given.

daz

Cosmic Rumble's sire Spiral Nikita is an outcross and a source of hybrid vigor.
His influence within this pedigree will come through Cosmic Rumble's sisters, but they too need to be linebred and in-bred to the best parts of their damline i.e. Gun Law Osti, Sobbing Sal/Wee Sal, Malawi's Prince and further instances of Brother Fox and his half brother Acacia Park.

When my bitch comes on season again i'm thinking of something like this.
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cheers attila

This wasn't a bad victory

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and this was pretty slick as well

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He's also run a track record at Lismore

He does have a habit of being slightly slow to begin which in the best grade can come against him
That I don't believe is a genetic trait

Brett Lee was a flying machine from the lids
so was El Galo
not all of Brett Lee's progeny were flying machines from the lids, in fact very few
Not all El Galo's progeny will have that same trait

It is the huge genetic influence of Cosmic Rumble's damline that will make him a success at stud (give the right opportunities)

ps.
if he does well in the egg on saturday, that would be an absolute positive and then i would retire him and get the promo machine going.

Jeff if you want to categorize CR well he will go to stud with better racing credentials than TOKEN PRINCE, COLLISION, WHERES PEDRO and SURF LORIAN, geez hes got to be raging success already as these are some of the best at stud in last few yrs.

To answer your question
YES

How can u say better credentials than TP, Collision or Surf Lorian ??.....all three a multiple Group winners/TR holders.....I'm a fan CR but what has he won????

Surf Lorian in particularly would would not only give CR windburn in ability and also in his record.....

cheers

Mal, Collision was a Group winner and the Wenty track record holder, Surf Lorian the Albion Pk record holder, Token Prince the winner of several Group races, and WPedro, well he did break down after 17 starts.

You'll have to find some more examples, as i dont think many will agree that CR is better performed than any of the above.

Shane i dont think we will agree on this as i dont think wirh any prejudice and dont have favourites when looking at any dogs potential bar my own.

CR ran 29.58 at SPK beating QL, VELL, DL, L/DUCAL and TREW MILLIONS.
hE RAN 29.85 at ALBION beating HIGH EARNER
Ran fastest dog of the year 29.64 at WPK and broke the LIS 520MT T/R.
That is consistantly being able to run fast time at differant tracks something none of those other dogs were able to do outside there own state
There group wins were in either maiden class or age restricted and none performed well against open company dogs.
They all went to stud on the back of what they could have done and not actually wat they did do once again outside there own state.
Personally unbiasedly i rate HE , DL and CR on a par.....but its JMO

JEFF you rate dogs, tell me TWO OUT where do you rate COSMIC RUMBLE with dogs like

COLLISION
WHERES PEDRO
EL GALO
HIGH EARNER
SURF LORIAN
DYNA LACHLAN
TOKEN PRINCE
PURE OCTANE
HALLUCINATE
VELOCETTE
TURANZA BALE
BIT CHILI
BOMBASTIC SHIRAZ
GOODESY

or any else you care to add

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So what are these several group races Token Prince won Jeff?

The Vince Curry...the Sandown Sapphire...that's 2...was there any more?