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David Todd
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27 Mar 2010 18:52


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DARYL ANNELLS wrote:

Tom Flanagan wrote:

At least his knockers have gone quiet for a while. LOL

aye tommy,
even im beginning to get interested again.
the dog has pure speed thats a given...he's only negative is he is slow breaker....even dmac acknowledges that.
imagine if he could jump as quick as ELGALO or FANCY MANDY....track records.

but that should not detract from his future as a stud dog.
so well bred, and certainly a sire to utilise if people are game to try thr doubling of BRETT LEE....and why wouldnt we?

he's a great dog, but his slow boxing is what i feel people are honing in on....but we cant all have ELGALO type breakers, can we?
daz


Good to see you back on the wagon Daryl went quiet for a while but the dog did have a few niggly injuries.He seems to love those wenty boxes seems to get out better there than anywhere else around the country.

cheers David


Daryl Annells
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hi dave,
yeah im your typical aussie'jump off/jump on type'
he's a great dog, and he is well worth using once we get passed the hype.
thank god dogs dont read......or do they?
daz

ps...that globals gone from daves, so your little bitch will have to get used to the collision beside her now....shes a floozy so she will have him eating out of her 'paws' very soon.
trialed the global...4.91 virtually straight out of the runs...done his fibula.
#$%#@*&%$#+ tracks.



David Todd
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Hi Daryl
had a look at your collison dog the other day he's built like a front rower my little girls already moved on from the global dog and taken a fancy to him. It's a shame about the Global dog but these things happen when there only young still got plenty of time on your hands might be a good idea to keep him away from there he seems to be chasing and doing everything right.

All the best David


Daryl Annells
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i told you she was a floozy...when i told the global boy he was p..... right off. (ya gotta laugh)

the global i pretty special i reckon.
when he recovers he is already booked into billy macs as ive given up on tooradin.
not many private tracks around where you can break your own in, so you do get tied up to breaking in establishments.
he will break in so quick as he is a mean dog on the arm and knows what the game is all about...just box train him and he will be finished.

the COLLISION is related to the mighty KEON STAR, SO IF HES HALF AS GOOD AS THAT BOY I WILL BE VERY HAPPY.

talk again soon, dave.
mike has a bro to peters in at warragul monday in case you didnt know.

daz


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mal dawson wrote:

jeff holland wrote:

The question you have to ask is 'has any sire succeeded where his breeding his a bigger attribute than his ability?.'

Jeff if you want to categorize CR well he will go to stud with better racing credentials than TOKEN PRINCE, COLLISION, WHERES PEDRO and SURF LORIAN, geez hes got to be raging success already as these are some of the best at stud in last few yrs.

To answer your question
YES

Well done to COSMIC RUMBLE and once again he will go to stud with better credentials than the dogs i mentioned, and i can see him doing as good if not better than the whole 4 of them. No need for aust breeders looking for a suitable outcross sire with worth as we now know thw the worth of the one sitting in our own backyard.



Tom Flanagan
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03 Apr 2010 11:29


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mal dawson wrote:

No need for aust breeders looking for a suitable outcross sire with worth as we now know thw the worth of the one sitting in our own backyard.

Exactly Mal - looks like he's come along at exactly the right time - the outcrosses are working more and more. And he has the ferocious chase that can be lacking in others.
And in fairness to his previous knockers, the dog has learnt a thing or two about racing as he's got older - he gave a mighty bump on the first bend and picked his way through the field tonight. He's shown he's smart enough to be able to use his speed even when he doesn't get a clear run early.


Graeme Beasley
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Don't get me wrong, I like the dog, but why would him winning the race tonight make him any better as a stud proposition compared with if he hadn't been in the race at all, apart from saleability of the pups?

By the way, congrats to the dog and connections, a well deserved win and Darren was unusually emotional after the race.


Tom Flanagan
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Graeme Beasley wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I like the dog, but why would him winning the race tonight make him any better as a stud proposition compared with if he hadn't been in the race at all, apart from saleability of the pups?

By the way, congrats to the dog and connections, a well deserved win and Darren was unusually emotional after the race.

Same applies to any dog and any race Graeme - winning the race does mean he will get used a lot more than if he didn't win it, and it will be easier to sell the pups. Being by an Irish sire in particular has meant he has had to prove himself (more than once) against the very best - something that the offspring of imports are supposed (in the views of some) to be not capable of.

When hobby breeders breed we do need to be able to sell some of the pups.



Grant Thomas
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03 Apr 2010 14:59


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Would this be THE BIGGEST RACE won by an 'imports' offspring???
In OZ of course.


Adam Jones
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03 Apr 2010 18:09


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Graeme Beasley wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I like the dog, but why would him winning the race tonight make him any better as a stud proposition compared with if he hadn't been in the race at all, apart from saleability of the pups?

By the way, congrats to the dog and connections, a well deserved win and Darren was unusually emotional after the race.

Your right Greame it shouldn't make any difference , but he won "THE EGG" No one can take that away from him OR DMAC. Lets all be honest here for ten seconds, DMAC has been doing it hard for the last 12 months, people laying the boot in, (yeh gardam prince has being going ok in "2nd division" ) but overall DMAC hasn't been going as great as in the last few years, he's got this bloke going after going like a busted ass for the last 6 months, showing HE CAN TRAIN A DOG no matter what some might think/say, I backed him tonight and no one is happier to see him win then me, but he come out like a crab, hit the rail, and then ran like the dog he is (fastest dog in the country ) if that tickles your fancy then by all means use him at stud, I will.

He's a superfast dog out of the world's best "import" sire, we "needed " him to perform and perform he did, no one can take that away from him (or DMAC) He has to be retired now like High Earner, you simply couldn't risk him (or High Earner for the matter) going back to the form he was in prior to the egg. he'll get used heavily, i'll use him, just like HE, he'll get used off the back of a FFA cannington win that was a group 1, people have short memories, but good luck to the connections, I'd do exactly the same, breeders are fickle and they only see what they choose to, we needed a Spiral son to perform and one did, good luck and well done to Dmac and connections, the bitches are in the post, get the boy ready.


Daryl Annells
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DARYL ANNELLS wrote:

hi brian,
i certainly was a big fan of COSMIC RUMBLE early in his career....not so sure now, but thats based purely on his inability to produce on the track what we ALL require...plenty of good class wins to support his stud career.

my main reason in possibly using him, was to not go all out 100% for an untapped irish import, but to have a split in his breeding where the breeder of the dog had done the outcross for me. without being a smart arse and 'knocking' the imports (irish or american) there are not many choices apart from PREMIER FANTASY or KIOWA SWEET TREY who at least gave us a look at the type of stock ability wise, they would sire....the rest, save my verdicts.

in horse racing (obviously different) breeders would use an un performed stallion purely on his majestic breeding background....sons of.....but in dogs we place more emphasis on PERFORMANCE on the track and the class of those races, more than the dogs breeding background.

so if a dog is well bred like COSMIC RUMBLE, he has to do everything right on the track, before he will be accepted, as we are very tough on our assessments of dogs here, and breeding, while important when he first started winning, suddenly gets categorised when his sire (spiral nakita) or himself does not reach the expectations of breeders.

there are so many others in this CATEGORISED module who are damned as soon as they dont reach the lofty heights WE expect of them....but the shrewd breeder who sees what he wants and goes and does it, takes no interest in the judgements of others....he/she sees what as a breeder they are trying to acheive when breeding with the dam, and do it...regardless.

to me , thats a good breeder, a breeder who assesses a match, not what he did or didnt do on the track, and he must have done something to attract there attention in the first place.
an dont forget, severe injuries will hamper a dogs performance drastically, and unless your right in the kennel no how, we dont often get to hear whats caused this dog to not reach the heights we expected.
it happens.

he will be a good stud i beleive, and he will be well marketed to attract matrons, so i wont matter to him or his stud master....if people want him they will use him.thats a given.

daz


if the bandwagon wasnt so high i would jump on it right now.
this lad has done what we hoped he would and knew he could do, he just had to do it to lay claim.
we now have a very well performed and well bred animal to choose from as a sire when we dont have that much choice from imports.

this dog has shown now that hes passed clause one in his venture to be a stud dog that people will/should flock to,and that clause being a top performer and classic winner.

clause two now is once he goes to stud he has to perform there as well, and that takes a few years as we know, but such a superbly bred animal as this fellow surely couldnt fail as a stud.

for those looking to get a double cross of the mighty BRETT LEE here is probably the best oppurtunity we will have for a fair while.
strong dam lines and an equally strong sire line (others beg to differ)places this boy in the right category to be the sire with import blood in him that we have been searching for.

of course he must prove himself, but he is so well credentialed on the breeding and racing side he cant help but pull in good class dams to ensure his success.

i was a huge fan of this, lost a little interest as i doubted his true abilities (shame on me) but now he's the man, and my girl is heading his way first and foremost.

well done dmac and CR and the future looks bright again as regards a import blood.
daz



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grant thomas wrote:

Would this be THE BIGGEST RACE won by an 'imports' offspring???
In OZ of course.

Grant Tegimi won 3 Classics runner up in St Leger his brothers Big Pinch and Citizen Band also were very smart ..They were all from Temlee,s sister Viola Lee...and they were by a son of an import ..group status is a media hype ...it,s to get people in ..you only have to look at the thoroughbreds...I,m not knocking the egg or any top class race ..I,d definitely use the dog ..would,ve used him if he lost ..the reason being ...he is a hard chaser possibly one of the best I have seen since coming back..I would like to see him have a crack at a 1 turn track ..I think then he would scorch especially over the 457 ...with long straights


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The Golden Easter Egg is now a classic on its own and has proved it year in year out by attracting the very best to compete,even this year there was supposed to be two overseas dogs have a crack and maybe in the next few years this will happen.


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Broke Lismore track record before his 2nd birthday,W/Park 29.64 S/Park 29.58 (beating best going around) A/Park 29.84, Group 1 winner, one of the best dam lines in the country, outcross blood,can come from off the pace or lead, still to see his 3rd birthday.Ticks a few boxes I reckon,glad I got a straw last Thursday might be a bit harder to get now.


Daryl Annells
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well done steve.
he certainly has the credentials there is no doubt, and he certainly has all the i's dotted and t's crossed.

his times place him in the category of a super dog and in my opinion there is nothing more he would need to do to convince me he has what it takes.

where did you pick up a straw steve, love to get on that band wagon now ready for the future.

daz


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Hi Daryl spoke to Steve Kavanaugh on Thursday he has straws at Sandown he is bringing six up to Northern Rivers vet clinic over the next week or so.He also told me that the dog picked up a severe liver disorder after his win at Sandown which took a few months to fix.


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Like everyone else i'm used to the constant round robin of posters advising and then congratulating or promoting the business interests of each other, and praising their 'mates', but its incredibly sad that on this forum, a BREEDERS forum, not one person has looked past their own interests and either recognised or congratulated the effort of Steve Kavanagh in breeding both this dog or his long term success with the damline, so i'll do so, as he has certainly earnt it.

A few of you have become embarrassing.




Daryl Annells
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yes i heard something was ill with him.
just might explain his 'flat spot' recently, but i remember donna sadler warning me not to give up on him....to her credit she must have also known....so donna, im back on again (i never really left him i just wanted others to think that....uuuuhhhhmmmm)

i will make an enquiry steve and see if i can get a straw now....before its to late.
here comes that train, i just better get on board.

daz


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Looking back this time last year after his Lismore record, and then followed by his sub 30 run at Albion i thought it was time to look at this dog. Being by a Brett Lee bitch i thought this could be the dog to go over my Brett Lee brood and a daughter or two. With his granddam by Malawi's Prince and holding a Waverly Supreme double in the 3rd remove, just adds to the great producing damline that it is. Other than Brett Lee bred bitches, i think daughters of Big Daddy Cool, No Intent and others similar would suit nicely. However i think the dogs main influence will come from one of his sons through a brood from the Waverly Supreme sireline, possiblt a daughter of Token Prince. CLICK HERE Cosmic Rumble will cover an assortment of bitches and to a sireline that produces females that throw on, here could be the onset of a new dynasty. Cosmic Rumble, can he do a Malawi.


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jeff holland wrote:

Like everyone else i'm used to the constant round robin of posters advising and then congratulating or promoting the business interests of each other, and praising their 'mates', but its incredibly sad that on this forum, a BREEDERS forum, not one person has looked past their own interests and either recognised or congratulated the effort of Steve Kavanagh in breeding both this dog or his long term success with the damline, so i'll do so, as he has certainly earnt it.

A few of you have become embarrassing.

Steve was very humble during the presentation last night...a real gentleman



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