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Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 01 Sep 2011 00:33
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Part of aQuote from.ngf article.
The forum dweller is a new entity in this virtual world,they deliver opinion so frequently that they develop a skill for imparting plausibility. In the virtual world they are compelling and impressive,however in reality these experts are mostly unsuccessful and unenterprising individuals. They usually have training in nothing related to there expertis,and most of all they lack integrity. Their opinons sway in the wind from all points of the compass and are hardly ever anchored down by facts. The new trainer in the sport is often drawn to forums as a source of knowladge. Sadly,it is a reflection on the lack of official industry alternative sources. A greyhound in the care of trainer following guidance from the experts on these internet forums is a greyhound at risk. Like slum,we cannot just bulldoze it overnightbut it would be a starting point to accept that it exist and that some forum dwellers are delivering poor and often dangerous suggestions to the inexperianced trainers. The ultimate answer to delhi slums is to tackle i bit by bit and introduce the rule of law in return for a better standard of life. Our forum experts are failing our greyhounds and our new participents and its time for the industry to sanction liscensed members,who selfishly and ignoraantly undermine our sport and its partiicipaants. In return,the industry needs to improve the dissemination of factual information from proper sources..
(This is you he is talking about people) Lol
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 01 Sep 2011 00:38
Graham Sheather Australia (Verified User) Posts 4867 Dogs 2 / Races 3 01 Sep 2011 01:01
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Magnificent lol lol lol lol lol
Graham Sheather Australia (Verified User) Posts 4867 Dogs 2 / Races 3 01 Sep 2011 01:02
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Should tell Dr Fegan those experts are barred atm lol
Chris Carl Australia (Verified User) Posts 778 Dogs 20 / Races 0 01 Sep 2011 01:11
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Sanction licenced members? Contol forums? sounds a bit red to me. I wonder how he would have come to such a specific view on forums and their contributers unless he had spent alot of time on them. For what its worth a forum itself is only as good as the people who use it. The forum is the weapon of choice. In days gone by we would hang around at race and trial tacks, mingle at pubs and bars and ask the same questions we do on here. Technology has brought acess to information via forums and other means to the fore. Possibly at the expense of trips to the vets. You sort the wheat from the chaff apply some common sense and you go about your routine It appears he thinks most new trainers are gullible meatheads who need to be protected. Well if they act on a single piece of advice without further research and followup he may well be right. but I think most are a bit smarter than that. Maybe we are learning too much
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 26 / Races 16 01 Sep 2011 01:20
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chris carl wrote:
Sanction licenced members? Contol forums? sounds a bit red to me. I wonder how he would have come to such a specific view on forums and their contributers unless he had spent alot of time on them. For what its worth a forum itself is only as good as the people who use it. The forum is the weapon of choice. In days gone by we would hang around at race and trial tacks, mingle at pubs and bars and ask the same questions we do on here. Technology has brought acess to information via forums and other means to the fore. Possibly at the expense of trips to the vets. You sort the wheat from the chaff apply some common sense and you go about you It appears he thinks most new trainers are gullible meatheads who need to be protected. Well if they act on a single piece of advice without further research and follow he may well be right. but I think most are a bit smarter than that. Maybe we are learning too much
Id lik to know how many winners he has trained and winners he has bred. All good to work from bookz. But tryn doing tha hard yards dr fegan..
Gary Smith Australia (Verified User) Posts 3319 Dogs 6 / Races 14 01 Sep 2011 02:04
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Somebody should inform Des we are hard working greyhound people trying to help each other. We don't charge a Consultation fee for the advice!
It must be lonely sitting up so high and being so out of touch with the industry participants!
Come Slum at my place Des!
Rob Tyler Australia (Verified User) Posts 5176 Dogs 64 / Races 113 01 Sep 2011 02:19
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I didn't realise that Australia had become North Korea or Cuba! Please...I am sure Dr Des is a great vet and I can understand that giving vets advice over the net could be fraught with danger, but in my opinion, he has gone totally overboard with these comments. What is the difference of chatting on a forum to the old days of having a drink at the bar and discussing greyhound 'topics'. There are quite a few 'learned' people on this site Des...just because you can throw a few letters behind your name, doesn't mean that the entire greyhound community has IQ's that match their shoe sizes. Reality check for 2011 Des...this is the internet age and one vet from Victoria is not going to change it, I am afraid to say. If you don't like it, don't read it! There is plenty of 'crap' written on this site as is the case with ALL FORUM SITES on ANY subject. There is also an abundant amount of information that helps us all. I would imagine every greyhound enthusiast has learnt something from this and other greyhound websites. I can walk into 3 different vets and get 3 different opinions on matters so I cannot say that just being a vet makes you an automatic entry to have a beer with God on arrival. Get over it....it is 2011 not 1960.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 01 Sep 2011 02:56
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I've been waiting for one of 'The Experts' to deliver a sermon like this for some time now... Paul Wheeler is a 'regular' when he has something to say and a lot listen for the obvious...
Fegan says " of factual information from proper sources " so from whom...???...not the N.G.F or The Recorder or The Catching Pen...
but the 1st half of the article Wayne is his expression of what he really thinks of 'us'
" The Internet is a bit like a Delhi slum, inhabited by millions, full of squalor, congestion and oozing a flithy polluted discharge. Yet within this precint abounds stories of enterprise, education, hope and success as incredible as any witnessed in the developed world. The Delhi slums and their inhabitants are as inportant to life of the city as is oxygen. So with our lives, take the internet away for a weekend and most of us are beginning to suffocate...the younger you are, the faster you succumb. Most of us have been lucky enough to have been born in Australia, or find it early in our lives. Our natural attitude to slum dwellers is one of antipathy and I must say I am no different to that. It is certainly not on my holiday list at tis time. Cramped accommadation, along with high crime and disease, are not usually boxes travel agents like to tick. These slum citizens do not ask to be given the life they have, but the majority accept it and like any of us, work their way towards a better one. The virtual world, like the slum, is as yet uncivilized and largely unpoliced. Apart from the vilest crimes, few in authority any any interest in the goings on in the ethersphere. Anarchy reigns and often the one who shouts the loudest has the most influence. What is being shouted does not have to be true because the consequences for untruths are negligible. Whethe rit football, polictics or even greyhound racing, the internet has given expression to a deluge of armchair experts. "
I read his article every week to digest what he has to say about that weeks topic...I log on to 'greyhound sites' for same...
Dr Fegan, I find your 'message' this week highly insulting and distasteful...but we do live in a country that for all it's faults allows you to express your opinion publicly...as we also do here...
Nick O'Connell Australia (Verified User) Posts 294 Dogs 7 / Races 0 01 Sep 2011 03:18
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Gee, some of you have over reacted just a tad. I'm all for other people giving tips and advice, but it needs to be sound advice. Just have a look at some of the threads on this very forum, many different opinions on many different issues. The problem is when people give advice that they believe is the "right" advice, but isn't "right". The good doctor's article might come across as a little harsh, but I think he is only stating the facts and I do agree with him on some parts. A good deal of common sense should be used with any advice, professional or not. We don't need to start sanctioning people and only allowing people who can prove that they have a "substantive" knowledge of Greyhound health.
Gee, some of you have over reacted just a tad. I'm all for other people giving tips and advice, but it needs to be sound advice. Just have a look at some of the threads on this very forum, many different opinions on many different issues. The problem is when people give advice that they believe is the "right" advice, but isn't "right". The good doctor's article might come across as a little harsh, but I think he is only stating the facts and I do agree with him on some parts. A good deal of common sense should be used with any advice, professional or not. We don't need to start sanctioning people and only allowing people who can prove that they have a "substantive" knowledge of Greyhound health.
Also remember the some of the "Good Doctor's" colleagues wouldn't know the difference between a Daschund and a Doberman, but we listen to them...
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 01 Sep 2011 03:56
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Mal I think they do ..they charge more ....for the Daschound ...just kidding Doc ...to bo honest I,m a pretty hard bloke to sell to and I can assure all that read this site ...there is enough info here written by the laymen ..that it would make a great book ...and some was written by some very good vets ...in their notes And talking about slums...there have been some great people come to join us down here ...ah give me the greyhound a gumtree and a bag of bunnies with a bottle of whisky [for the dogs]and a nice red for me ...and the slum will do me Des speaks of us people as non enities but we are because we are registered with GD and most with with our state authorities ...maybe he is,nt making enough money from the dog bloke
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 01 Sep 2011 04:29
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Gary Smith wrote:
We don't charge a Consultation fee for the advice!
You may have hit it on the head there Gary. Maybe the Vets could have a rule introduced where before you can spend your $500 plus on a surgical implant you must have previously sought breeding advice on the said mating from the Vet (at a further charge of let's say another $100 lol.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 1193 Dogs 2 / Races 20 01 Sep 2011 06:34
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Some great replies to the "good doctor". I know a good vet will listen to their clients and discuss all matters. This one sounds like he knows everything, and wont share nothing. Maybe he could come on here offering the right advice, Free of charge.
Patrick John Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 537 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Sep 2011 07:03
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hey wayne dont take it personal mate he is a good mate of mine outside of Greyhounds.And i can tell you a lot would have been writen tounge in cheak.As for his Training Ability he could,nt train a pig to be dirty lol.But as a breeder he has done a good job with a bitch called Kingston Aura.He has bred everything shes thrown.Its not a bad effort for a guy who has a full time profession and a young family to raise.Besides hes no different to me or any other tradie hes just got a strong opinion about his trade.So like i said its not personal. good luck and safe racing
Len Jones Australia (Verified User) Posts 614 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Sep 2011 07:15
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Dan Hollywood wrote:
Some great replies to the "good doctor". I know a good vet will listen to their clients and discuss all matters. This one sounds like he knows everything, and wont share nothing. Maybe he could come on here offering the right advice, Free of charge.
Would be a good service
Gary Smith Australia (Verified User) Posts 3319 Dogs 6 / Races 14 01 Sep 2011 07:19
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Great idea Dan but I bet the good doctor doesn't do much without a charge.
maybe if we pass the hat around we might scrap up enough for a postage stamp to send him a letter of welcome!
Gaz
Dan Hollywood wrote:
Some great replies to the "good doctor". I know a good vet will listen to their clients and discuss all matters. This one sounds like he knows everything, and wont share nothing. Maybe he could come on here offering the right advice, Free of charge.
Dan Biddle Australia (Verified User) Posts 617 Dogs 37 / Races 0 01 Sep 2011 07:19
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Dear Dr Fagan
Personally I am insulted. Unlike many I was lucky enough to be born into this industry but still regularly give advice and search for advice on forums. I have learnt many things and would hope I have helped some of the new inductees to our industry as well.
The statements that are particularly insulting to me.
"A greyhound in the care of trainer following guidance from the experts on these internet forums is a greyhound at risk."
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"forum dwellers are delivering poor and often dangerous suggestions to the inexperienced trainers"
You Dr Fagan are a Dinosaur, the internet is the way of the future and its biggest asset is the dissemination of information. You underestimate the intelligence of the general online greyhound enthusiast most are very efficient at sorting out which information to follow and which not to. Some information may not be 100% correct but I can guarantee no one offering advice on this site is deliberately putting any new greyhound trainer or greyhound at risk.
If you are so concerned about the advice given, pull your stethoscope out of your ***** and get together with some of your cronies and offer an ask the Doctor section on greyhound data. We wouldn't expect you to answer 100 questions, 5 a week would be a good start and in two years you'd have one of your "official industry alternative sources".
Regards Dan Biddle
Gary Smith Australia (Verified User) Posts 3319 Dogs 6 / Races 14 01 Sep 2011 07:24
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Well said Dan.
Dan Biddle wrote:
Dear Dr Fagan
Personally I am insulted. Unlike many I was lucky enough to be born into this industry but still regularly give advice and search for advice on forums. I have learnt many things and would hope I have helped some of the new inductees to our industry as well.
The statements that are particularly insulting to me.
"A greyhound in the care of trainer following guidance from the experts on these internet forums is a greyhound at risk."
and
"forum dwellers are delivering poor and often dangerous suggestions to the inexperienced trainers"
You Dr Fagan are a Dinosaur, the internet is the way of the future and its biggest asset is the dissemination of information. You underestimate the intelligence of the general online greyhound enthusiast most are very efficient at sorting out which information to follow and which not to. Some information may not be 100% correct but I can guarantee no one offering advice on this site is deliberately putting any new greyhound trainer or greyhound at risk.
If you are so concerned about the advice given, pull your stethoscope out of your ***** and get together with some of your cronies and offer an ask the Doctor section on greyhound data. We wouldn't expect you to answer 100 questions, 5 a week would be a good start and in two years you'd have one of your "official industry alternative sources".
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
