When you get a chance have a look at what other people have posted there are a few nice ones. I think people have proven my point that you can buy a dog from wheeler and win nice races.

At the end of the day you can't keep moving the goal posts you stated wheeler on the lines of Wheeler doesn't get rid of good dogs. I gave you to examples BARTIM, Melena bale and there's a few more nice ones.

I'm not saying that buying a dog from him will deff win races or throw nice pups but your threads about him getting rid dogs that will be no good are rubbish. I think after reading the threads from other people will prove that.

Please read your thread you wrote here......... He sold Bartim doesn't that prove it doesn't matter how much knowledge or experience you have you cannot tell if your bitch will be a breat broody or if your dog will make it at stud. Wheelers are the best in the business but even th best let some go.

Any way I don't want to argue the point even after seeing all the threads other people have written if you still believe your right then you must be and all the other people are wrong with there facts they have put forward.

Good luck mate

"In your vast experience in using amercian blood lines what lines are known to induce speed and what lines are known to introduce further strength?
using american dogs what primarily is the main goal in adding their lines to australian blood lines (e.g. to remove fragility in the breed, to inject hard chase and toughness)

of your experience have you tried sires across Australian stayers and if so is the intention the same as the aussie sires that have been used across stayers (e.g.speed to stayers) or have you minaly tried americain blood lines across our sprinters?"

ive even attempted to invite people with relivant information and knowledge to further the discusion on that path?

"I welcome anyone who has an extensive knowledge in All of the above to detail this further, even our American counterparts whom would have first hand knowledge of sire lines, dam lines, temperament, strengths and weakness in abilities both physical and mental (high strung or docile?)"

the common theme is the most knowledgable people seem to be avoiding these threads and is that because most threads degenerate into something that the thread is not about?

Sandro..they picked the RIGHT sire the 1st time...for Oddnik...

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Think your missing the point Warren you quoted........
Paul is obviously a very smart man when it comes to breeding and I think through knowledge and experience he would know what he was selling you,

So I'm pointing out he sold Bartrim and many other good dogs and bitches. So going by your statement when it comes to breeding you never know what may become of a brood bitch or stud dog.

If we all knew that a pup was going to turn out to be a champion we wouldn't sell it or a stud dog or future producing broodie. That's why racing is a big gamle

And none of her sisters/brothers (if any) produced champion swimmers, neither did Dawn herself.

Yes ability to ability should produce ability, but alas not always.

Breeders of other species do know. They will sell you a bull knowing he wont produce a good heifer or different species of birds where they know you wond breed a quality male. Competition was pretty fierce in its day and not many of the old breeders would let their strain go. However, with greyhounds it is now a bit different to when strains were protected and bloodlines have now become more diverse and much harder to the eye.

-How many times have you expected a Brood to produce quality, and she did not?
-How many times did you not expect a brood to produce the quality she produced?
-Are you disappointed at selling a bitch/dog who went on to win big $ or breed dogs who won big $ ?
-When breeding a litter, do you try to breed a VERY FAST INDIVIDUAL or a FAST LITTER?

I believe i know the answers, but if you ask, you will find out.

PAW (I mean the WHEELER FAMILY as a whole, as PAW is NOT the ONLY reason WHEELER KENNELS ARE SUCCESSFUL) does what is necessary to produce numerous quality greyhounds per year.

-PAW- the Head of the Kennels- constantly working/ thinking/ researching.

-Jan his Wife- does a magnificent job whelping and caring for the pups.

-Brendan, Who breaks greyhounds in the way greyhounds need to be broken in, it is not done in 4 weeks, it is done in the timeframe required for each individual.

- All the employees have 2 things in common, they love the animals and they love working for the business.

This is simply what i had the pleasure of observing, and i am sure PAW will agree.

Regards Craig

In saying that if there a sporting family ( frazers ) they prob have got some talented sports person. Same as The Abletts That whole family are sporting stars even the Tucks which are related. Now Garys son Gary jnr is a star but his brother was an average AFL player so does than mean if he has kids they won't have a chance of being great sports people!??? As the Ablett family have many sporting stars. Same in greyhounds in the lines keep throwing from grandam to dam you have a chance that your bitch might throw on

Darren I agree with you that you really dont know what you have until you try, the bale breed line has it all and is undoubtedly successful, and you could end up with something good. I wish you the best.

Thanks mate it's a guessing game but I'm happy with my choice of bitch. If she doesn't throw nice pups then I shall look for another bitch to breed with.

What else can you do? Old saying "if at first you dont succeed, try and try again" :)

Very true mate. I think there is alot of luck when it comes to breeding and buying pups for that matter.