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Interesting topic.I find just plain water best, a lot of dogs don't like it with elctrolytes in it.
agree jonjo used electrolytes for years but i done extensive reasearch and water or just milky water is far better electrolytes generally will cause dogs to dehydrate more
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 22 Apr 2014 21:45
Don't waste your time and money on electrolytes. Milk is better in pretty much every way. Consider also that by giving electrolytes/flushes you are essentially trying to do the kidneys job for them and you are actually weakening the bodies natural responses to hard exercise.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 22 Apr 2014 22:00
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Electrolytes are great they put back in what the body loses,i find feeding first thing in the morning gives the body all it needs whether thats after trial free gallop or day off.When day off i add only calcium or iron and after free gallop or trial i add vit c powder which also had vit b and mag etc.Never had acidosis or water diabetes and never ran dog over less than 500m.Must be doing something right.Never feed straight after exercising hard as twisted bowel is more prevalent but by the time i drive home and empty and prepare food its at least an hour.
Don't waste your time and money on electrolytes. Milk is better in pretty much every way. Consider also that by giving electrolytes/flushes you are essentially trying to do the kidneys job for them and you are actually weakening the bodies natural responses to hard exercise.
exactly mark after all these years i now realise there one of the most toxic things you can give a greyhound
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 22 Apr 2014 22:14
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vit c is great after exercising. Helps recovery by clearing cortisol and minimises catabolic stress.Great for immune system.Salka-lite comes in big tub. Cortisol is the stress hormone and we have all had stress heads.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 22 Apr 2014 22:15
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James,
What about the fact that greyhounds do not sweat and therefore do not "lose" electrolytes like humans and most other animals? Most of the nutrients that greys use in a run are not included in electrolyte drinks or kidney flushes. You are basically supplementing something they don't actually need. Milk on the other hand has proteins and vitamins that aid in muscle repair. Numerous studies have shown that it is a better recovery drink than electrolytes......even in humans where electrolyte supplementation can actually help.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 22 Apr 2014 22:30
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Only going on personal experience my dogs are all strong(mint dog won races over 650)i pretrain all mine after rearing and ill stick to what i do and happy to tell people dont expect people to listen.Im big on vitamin c and feeding in morning and free galloping.I heard a story about Goodwin legendary trainer in the 50's in sydney and he let them all out on a cricket field and when they got home it was oranges.He won everything.The old timers know best.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 22 Apr 2014 22:53
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James,
There is a big difference between giving electrolytes and vitamin C. No arguments here about the benefits of vitamin C........they are wide and varied and clinically proven. Electrolytes on the other hand contain salts and chemicals that dogs do not need and that do little or nothing to aid recovery. They are a classic example of a human therapy that does not translate to canine therapy. Hydration after exercise is paramount......but do it without a bunch of chemicals/additives that the dog doesn't need.
Since changing to milk as a post race recovery drink I have never had a dog "tie up" and I find they recover quicker and with less general muscle soreness (pretty much exactly as the studies on milk suggest they should). Plus....the dogs generally love the taste, so it really helps with fussy drinkers. Ask some other old timers how many of them stop past McDonalds on the way home and give their dogs a soft serve ice cream after a run.... Same proteins and benefits of milk.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 23 Apr 2014 03:34
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Salka lite is deemed an electrolyte but i get your point.They dont need flushers or salt.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 23 Apr 2014 04:29
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EXTERNAL LINK Mix 1 teaspoon salt with 8 teaspoons of sugar in 2 litres water. Add cup of above.
1/2 cup of tea with honey over toated brown bread smeared with flora or margarine 4 or 5 hrs before race or trialings........that what an old timer suggested to me
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 23 Apr 2014 05:25
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Dave Lonergan wrote:
1/2 cup of tea with honey over toated brown bread smeared with flora or margarine 4 or 5 hrs before race or trialings........that what an old timer suggested to me
1/2 cup of tea with honey over toated brown bread smeared with flora or margarine 4 or 5 hrs before race or trialings........that what an old timer suggested to me
lol just hot water stained with a tea bag..ok..lol and total liquid is 1/2 cup and 1/2 that is milk.....so cup of tea is really tea for taste hot water and milk lol a bit of flavor...geez good thing I didn't say 1/2 cup of starbux lmao
and its just his pre race snack...no harm in it I guess the milk and margarine are the key ingredients for electrolytes or salts
David Hermon Australia (Verified User) Posts 99 Dogs 5 / Races 2 23 Apr 2014 07:03
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Mark Schlegel wrote:
James,
There is a big difference between giving electrolytes and vitamin C. No arguments here about the benefits of vitamin C........they are wide and varied and clinically proven. Electrolytes on the other hand contain salts and chemicals that dogs do not need and that do little or nothing to aid recovery. They are a classic example of a human therapy that does not translate to canine therapy. Hydration after exercise is paramount......but do it without a bunch of chemicals/additives that the dog doesn't need.
Since changing to milk as a post race recovery drink I have never had a dog "tie up" and I find they recover quicker and with less general muscle soreness (pretty much exactly as the studies on milk suggest they should). Plus....the dogs generally love the taste, so it really helps with fussy drinkers. Ask some other old timers how many of them stop past McDonalds on the way home and give their dogs a soft serve ice cream after a run.... Same proteins and benefits of milk.
Big problem with stopping at McDs for a soft serve ...... if the dog gets 1 i get 1 then if the kids find out i then have to get them 1 then if wife finds out i've got to get her a caramel sundae LOL!!
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 23 Apr 2014 07:06
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Dave Lonergan wrote:
lol just hot water stained with a tea bag..ok..lol and total liquid is 1/2 cup and 1/2 that is milk.....so cup of tea is really tea for taste hot water and milk lol a bit of flavor...geez good thing I didn't say 1/2 cup of starbux lmao
and its just his pre race snack...no harm in it I guess the milk and margarine are the key ingredients for electrolytes or salts
...and the tea is the key ingredient for a holiday...;)
I wouldn't go there if I was you, Dave. Swabbing techniques are a little more advanced from the oldtimer's days. Good luck.
ok Michael will just go with the milk and honey and the margarine and brown bread toast
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15482 Dogs 0 / Races 1 23 Apr 2014 22:36
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There has been many threads about products that greyhound trainers over use.when I was developing my products ,we did DNA testing on 50 dogs at huge costs, what these tests showed that the trainers who were using a certain well known product had cramping issues,kidney,and adrenal problems,dehydration issues,most of these dog could not get 400m ,but litter mates who were not on this product were winning in town.. Do a search on this site the answer is there. Tom Muellerman also on his site talks about products that are creating issues. ,
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