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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog? Or do you need advice in curing an injury?
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 01 May 2014 09:07
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Yes & that's why D Mac, JT use Hills Science, besides the obvious fact it provides carbohydrates!
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 May 2014 09:26
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glenn hatton wrote:
With all due respect Michael, I don't think most vets would recommend pasta or rice to simplify a dogs diet. Back to the wild I doubt a dog got to eat either of those items so I can't see introducing them as simplifying the diet.
Pasta & rice I would feed a dog but they are quite opposite in make up. One contains gluten one does not. There is some dogs (apparently) that are sensitive to gluten (just like humans) & one alternative kibble is called Canidae.
Glenn, Let me put it this way. Kibble, for the simple facts of how it is processed and what ingredients are in it, is hard to digest. What you see come out the other end is called waste...for good reason. No, you are right, the are no shops selling rice or pasta to dogs in the wild. Its not the point though. The reason they recommend them is there is less strain on the dog's system processing simple foods...that is the point.
There is a vet here in QLD called Dr. John Murray, recently inducted into the hall of fame here. He would have more knowledge of Greyhounds than you could imagine...extremely well respected by industry and Vets alike. He is the biggest advocate of this theory.
Each to their own and we all believe in different things.
Just interesting to get different ideas on substitutes for kibble.
I wonder if I went around trying to sell bags of raw material that makes up kibble, how many bags would I sell?
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 May 2014 09:34
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Interestingly, I believe Paul Wheeler doesn't feed kibble to his dogs at all...he feeds brown bread. I'm sure he could easily get all his kibble for free and undoubtedly he'sbeen approached several times by manufacturers to endorse their products. Perhaps it should have been a question put to him while he was on here as to why he doesn't like kibble.
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 01 May 2014 09:38
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He did endorse a dog kibble, it's called DogPro.
If your having a laugh about my comments on BARF diet then you better explain that one to the bloke who owns the company. He supplies every PetBarn in Australia.
For every vet that says don't feed kibble there would be 20 with numerous brands on the shelves of their practice.
Open your eyes next time you walk past a vet.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 May 2014 10:32
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glenn hatton wrote:
He did endorse a dog kibble, it's called DogPro.
If your having a laugh about my comments on BARF diet then you better explain that one to the bloke who owns the company. He supplies every PetBarn in Australia.
For every vet that says don't feed kibble there would be 20 with numerous brands on the shelves of their practice.
Open your eyes next time you walk past a vet.
If he endorsed Dogpro, I wonder why he feeds bread?
No, Glenn, I wasn't having a laugh at your comments on barf. The bag of ingredients was a reference to the link I first posted...which is what you are buying and feeding to your dogs if you purchased them.
I also didn't say the vets said " don't feed kibble". What I said was when a dog has a digestive or some organ troubles, a lot recommend simplifying the diet to give the system an easier time. All about nursing the dog back to health, Glenn.
It just makes me wonder if you continually gave the dog's system an easier time, maybe the complications and conditions could be minimized and some dogs could have a less interrupted racing career?
Yes, there are plenty of vets that sell and endorse kibble...a little thing called profit might have something to do with it...;)
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 May 2014 11:20
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A very good explanation of how kibble is marketed. EXTERNAL LINK Funny, it was only a couple of days ago I bought some "lite" coconut cream. Reduced fat. The healthier choice. When I got home I read the ingredients. Instead of 90% coconut, the lite consisted of 65%. They just added more water. Here I was thinking they spent millions on research and technical equipment to extract fats. Less product, more water, same price. Who's the smart one? Lol.
Not all kibble is made from rubbish... Engage Salmon & Rice is a top quality product, no meat derivatives, just clean Salmon, great source of protein, Rice, dehulled oats, sunflower oil. Soaks well in cold water, so racers do not dehydrate, and i mix it with large amounts of fresh human sonsumption Beef of course. Highly recommended
Gordon Herbert Australia (Verified User) Posts 480 Dogs 45 / Races 73 01 May 2014 12:05
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Interestingly, I believe Paul Wheeler doesn't feed kibble to his dogs at all...he feeds brown bread. I'm sure he could easily get all his kibble for free and undoubtedly he'sbeen approached several times by manufacturers to endorse their products. Perhaps it should have been a question put to him while he was on here as to why he doesn't like kibble.
Michael, Although Paul doesn't add kibble to the pups meal, all pups out in the rearer paddocks get kibble filled hoppers.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 May 2014 12:09
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Jeannette Mackenzie wrote:
Not all kibble is made from rubbish... Engage Salmon & Rice is a top quality product, no meat derivatives, just clean Salmon, great source of protein, Rice, dehulled oats, sunflower oil. Soaks well in cold water, so racers do not dehydrate, and i mix it with large amounts of fresh human sonsumption Beef of course. Highly recommended
Jeannette, That kibble is one that sounds uncomplicated and healthier than the majority I've seen. If I was to ever buy commercial kibble again, that would be the sort of thing I would be looking for. Haven't see anything like that in Australia though.
Michael could u tell us what u feed instead including vits And please no roo meat as zoo not happy when I chase their joeys. Lol
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 May 2014 12:15
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Gordon Herbert wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Interestingly, I believe Paul Wheeler doesn't feed kibble to his dogs at all...he feeds brown bread. I'm sure he could easily get all his kibble for free and undoubtedly he'sbeen approached several times by manufacturers to endorse their products. Perhaps it should have been a question put to him while he was on here as to why he doesn't like kibble.
Michael, Although Paul doesn't add kibble to the pups meal, all pups out in the rearer paddocks get kibble filled hoppers.
Are you sure about that, Gordon? Those hoppers I'm led to believe are filled with kibble-like bread made especially for him from a bakery once a month. Could be wrong.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 May 2014 12:38
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gerry daly wrote:
Michael could u tell us what u feed instead including vits And please no roo meat as zoo not happy when I chase their joeys. Lol
Pmsl. You're a funny man, Gerry.
I make my own kibble. Basically... Oats, rice, barley, carrots, beetroot, garlic, celery, sweet potato, spinach, digestive enzymes, seaweed, canola oil, livermol. The grains are ground to powder and put in a food processor with the rest. I make plenty at a time, bag it and freeze it. They don't get much, approx tbl spoon per serve. I don't give it every day. Today was just plain whole meal pasta. Tomorrow bread, next day H/made kibble, maybe brown rice the next... The rearing pups get the same...never seen commercial kibble in their lives...never will. Every 2nd or 3rd day I'll sprinkle some feramo vits on racers dinner. Once a week, mainly Sundays, they'll get a Joey each...lol.
Thanks Michael was talking to a top trainor said he won 2 derbys x 2 oaks and dogs never seen a nut
Gordon Herbert Australia (Verified User) Posts 480 Dogs 45 / Races 73 02 May 2014 03:07
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Gordon Herbert wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Interestingly, I believe Paul Wheeler doesn't feed kibble to his dogs at all...he feeds brown bread. I'm sure he could easily get all his kibble for free and undoubtedly he'sbeen approached several times by manufacturers to endorse their products. Perhaps it should have been a question put to him while he was on here as to why he doesn't like kibble.
Michael, Although Paul doesn't add kibble to the pups meal, all pups out in the rearer paddocks get kibble filled hoppers.
Are you sure about that, Gordon? Those hoppers I'm led to believe are filled with kibble-like bread made especially for him from a bakery once a month. Could be wrong.
Considering I'm the one who puts the kibble in those hoppers I'm 100% SURE
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 02 May 2014 03:15
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Lol, thanks Gordon. I was waiting for you to reply!
Nice one
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 02 May 2014 03:15
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Gordon Herbert wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Gordon Herbert wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Interestingly, I believe Paul Wheeler doesn't feed kibble to his dogs at all...he feeds brown bread. I'm sure he could easily get all his kibble for free and undoubtedly he'sbeen approached several times by manufacturers to endorse their products. Perhaps it should have been a question put to him while he was on here as to why he doesn't like kibble.
Michael, Although Paul doesn't add kibble to the pups meal, all pups out in the rearer paddocks get kibble filled hoppers.
Are you sure about that, Gordon? Those hoppers I'm led to believe are filled with kibble-like bread made especially for him from a bakery once a month. Could be wrong.
Considering I'm the one who puts the kibble in those hoppers I'm 100% SURE
Interesting. Has he ever fed bread, Gordon or have I been misinformed?
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 02 May 2014 03:18
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While your saying sorry Micharl, maybe you could ask if Paul put his name to Dogpro as well, then you can be 2 from 2 as a doubting thomas
Barry Ribbons Australia (Verified User) Posts 847 Dogs 68 / Races 231 02 May 2014 03:28
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Great to here you've "snavelled" such a creamy job Gecko!
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 02 May 2014 03:33
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Interesting. Has he ever fed bread, Gordon or have I been misinformed?
You may have confused him with Graeme Bate.......who definitely does (or did) feed bread.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 02 May 2014 03:39
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glenn hatton wrote:
While your saying sorry Micharl, maybe you could ask if Paul put his name to Dogpro as well, then you can be 2 from 2 as a doubting thomas
Glenn, You seem to have a problem...too much kibble, maybe?
There is no sorry.
I was told it was bread by a someone who actually visited Paul and spoke at length to him, so Glenn, that's where that came from.
If you are happy with using kibble, I suggest you keep using it and good luck to you, lad.
Hope to race against you one day...you do train, don't you?