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Andrew Paraskevas Australia (Verified User) Posts 985 Dogs 55 / Races 22 31 Aug 2014 05:27
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Is the idea with the mix of Voren with the muscle repair to stop it scarring as much?
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 31 Aug 2014 05:42
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Andrew Paraskevas wrote:
Is the idea with the mix of Voren with the muscle repair to stop it scarring as much?
Andrew, I should have mentioned that Voren DOES SWAB.
The 50/50 is s personal preference as cortisone has side affects. It is great for reducing inflammation QUICKLY therefore promotes healing. The stretching is an important part of the process imo.
Luke Davies Australia (Verified User) Posts 10 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Sep 2014 08:39
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josh Cartledge wrote:
Luke Davies wrote:
What are you using in the ye old Hot Foot(brine & Turps) for Josh? Don't think no ones asked. It works like lots of counter irritants when used on an injury where that's what you want. Does it burn? Yes will it blister if you over do it? Yes does it cost much? No is it better than other products? Yes and No depending on your views just like politics. Would I use or recommend someone to use it? No unless its all they had thier your overflowing treatment cupboard. And to add DMSO comes from paper manufacture. Cheers Luke.
using it on a torn chest muscle. told to use it by local muscle man. haven't made a batch up yet as not sure what to use hence the forum
Hey Josh, gee there sure are a lot of different options on the forum looks like there are a lot of lurkers looking on that dont post (1950+). I dont blame them as it looks like it can get heated. I thought I would have a little rant and set the cat amongst the pigeons. I have being associated in this caper for over 35 years sometimes as a fan other times as a participant. Now mostly an observer I have on and off being someone that looks at other peoples dogs I am what some would call a witch doctor. These days my only interest is working on others dogs to help earn a living I might watch a race or two of a friends or clients dog but my life now is outside of the dog racing fraternity.
In that time I had to learn like you, to find a way through all the information on offer. It can be a real information overload especial nowadays with the internet where lots of ideas and opinions are put forward. People I find even if I were to disagree with them or thought them completely wrong, have mostly good intentions. You will find people are extremely reluctant to change their mind set they may really think they know what they are talking about but others think theyre on the wrong tram, just like Joe Hockey when he stated poor people dont drive cars. I think thats his world unfortunately.
Now with all that said I will say this that in all my years I have rarely scene or felt a genuine torn chest muscle most of the time it is tightness /spasm or soreness due to neck and back problems call it refereed pain call it mystic quackery but for me it is the truth. Some folks idea of a tear may well differ to mine and thats all ok too. My best advice is to find someone be they a vet or muscle man or the trainer down the road that embraces the concepts of manipulation someone that is gentle on your dog is preferable. You will find you wont be machining dogs all the time. Put your time and energies into good feeding and conditioning, learn to get them fit, learn to let the slow ones go. Train your dogs and try to place them on the premise of whats best for the dog not you, good luck with it. Rant over cheers Luke.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 Sep 2014 12:43
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Good onya Luke. Some good advice there. You would hope that the MM had manipulated before his diagnosis, for sure. You are right, not only with the chest, but many other referred pain problems.
Welcome to the wonderful battlefield. Refreshing to hear someone so direct and sincere.
Cheers.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 02 Sep 2014 10:26
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Luke Davies wrote:
josh Cartledge wrote:
Luke Davies wrote:
What are you using in the ye old Hot Foot(brine & Turps) for Josh? Don't think no ones asked. It works like lots of counter irritants when used on an injury where that's what you want. Does it burn? Yes will it blister if you over do it? Yes does it cost much? No is it better than other products? Yes and No depending on your views just like politics. Would I use or recommend someone to use it? No unless its all they had thier your overflowing treatment cupboard. And to add DMSO comes from paper manufacture. Cheers Luke.
using it on a torn chest muscle. told to use it by local muscle man. haven't made a batch up yet as not sure what to use hence the forum
Hey Josh, gee there sure are a lot of different options on the forum looks like there are a lot of lurkers looking on that dont post (1950+). I dont blame them as it looks like it can get heated. I thought I would have a little rant and set the cat amongst the pigeons. I have being associated in this caper for over 35 years sometimes as a fan other times as a participant. Now mostly an observer I have on and off being someone that looks at other peoples dogs I am what some would call a witch doctor. These days my only interest is working on others dogs to help earn a living I might watch a race or two of a friends or clients dog but my life now is outside of the dog racing fraternity.
In that time I had to learn like you, to find a way through all the information on offer. It can be a real information overload especial nowadays with the internet where lots of ideas and opinions are put forward. People I find even if I were to disagree with them or thought them completely wrong, have mostly good intentions. You will find people are extremely reluctant to change their mind set they may really think they know what they are talking about but others think theyre on the wrong tram, just like Joe Hockey when he stated poor people dont drive cars. I think thats his world unfortunately.
Now with all that said I will say this that in all my years I have rarely scene or felt a genuine torn chest muscle most of the time it is tightness /spasm or soreness due to neck and back problems call it refereed pain call it mystic quackery but for me it is the truth. Some folks idea of a tear may well differ to mine and thats all ok too. My best advice is to find someone be they a vet or muscle man or the trainer down the road that embraces the concepts of manipulation someone that is gentle on your dog is preferable. You will find you wont be machining dogs all the time. Put your time and energies into good feeding and conditioning, learn to get them fit, learn to let the slow ones go. Train your dogs and try to place them on the premise of whats best for the dog not you, good luck with it. Rant over cheers Luke.
Pretty good advice there Luke I have very little problems with my dogs when it comes to major soreness and never had any chest muscle tears as they put it.I like it when the checkers say they can feel a tear in the muscle or a tendon that friend to me is bullshit.You get Superficial soreness,a Muscle Fibre tear or a complete rupture 2 of those could be Referred pain the 3rd is a total breakdown in an area and in many cases can be visible and that's my take on it all and no needle will fix the problems in a few days
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 02 Sep 2014 11:00
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Are you saying, John, that it is impossible to feel a tear in a muscle or tendon?
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 02 Sep 2014 20:46
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I am sorry JMac but I have to disagree with You and Luke .
I can feel texture change in the muscle before it becomes a bad tear .
I can feel heat in a hock or wrist .
I can feel when a dog has a neck or back problem .
All of this is done without even making the dog wine or cry out .
Chest muscle tear or over stretching of the chest muscle is very common with younger dogs and will happen in very quick dogs more often and normanly laser massage and time is the best result for the chest IMO.
Most dogs have slightly different muscle size and texture on each side of there body's and a chest muscle to the novice can feel or give the feeling it is torn .
This is where I do agree Referred pain is the biggest thing that happens and without a good muscle man or Vet then you can machine or treat a area for weeks with little or no results but it when you do some very slight and easy adjustments to the neck and back you will then fix the area of concern and the body will be back in alignment .
All adjustment should be done with little or no pain to the animal .
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 03 Sep 2014 01:57
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I agree, Kev. The main aim is to sort out the referred pain from injury first. I agree again...pups or dogs resuming from long spells usually are the ones that get chest injuries through over stretching. Not all are tears, but some are. I agree again that muscle tears can DEFINATELY be recognized by touch.
Carole Brown's hubby is a MM. Would be interesting to get his and her views on this.
Luke Davies Australia (Verified User) Posts 10 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Sep 2014 04:25
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Just to make it clear! I did not say that I, or anyone else can not feel a tear in a muscle. Please read what I said with more diligence. Luke.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 03 Sep 2014 04:53
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Luke Davies wrote:
Just to make it clear! I did not say that I, or anyone else can not feel a tear in a muscle. Please read what I said with more diligence. Luke.
Hey Luke sorry about that and I did not read your post properly .
It was JMac who started it ....LMAO
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 708 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Sep 2014 01:03
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The use of Potions is of great assistance to injuries however the late Dr Alex Hauler placed great emphasis on palpation Applying liniments and walking away and letting the liniment do the job is a short cut Patience is required - Sit down for a half hour Apply a liniment and palpate softly until you find the point of resistance from the dog then proceed for 5 minutes Leave the liniment to work for 5 minutes Then repeat the proceedure until the point of resistance is found then proceed for another 5 minutes After repeating the proceedure for 3O minutes you will find the point of resistance has gone or almost gone If not I suggest you have an XRay taken "Patience Is A Virtue" The reward is better results on raceday
Howard Moshinsky USA (Verified User) Posts 886 Dogs 3 / Races 0 12 Sep 2014 01:50
Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
