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Howard Moshinsky
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the reason brine might work is due to lysine content

purchase 500mg lysine mush up 10 tablets in any oil add the turp and vi voila less burning

old pharmacist twist



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urology

Mark Schlegel wrote:

Never had any luck with ZGS, and the withholding period on DMSO is quite long........but the brine and gum spirit works REALLY well.

Yes it "burns" a bit (no worse than you icing a sprained ankle though)....and it won't blister the skin like iodine (unless you overdo it)...

Mark I find this to be untrue ....Yes it "burns" a bit (no worse than you icing a sprained ankle though).

Ok then put some on your balls and then tell me it feels like ice.

I bet you will be going for the ice once it kicks in BUT DON'T WORRY IT WON'T HURT FOR LONG .





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Can someone inform me what is the reason for these blisters and what do you achieve I never heard a good trainer say he does this and I have only seen the end result a couple of times.Maybe some of you trainers out there should try it on yourself to the point of ulcerating the area to raw flesh and see how it feels I think a lot of these remedies are witch doctors shit



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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Aaaaaw, gee...

I've pissed my pants.

I've just read that link you put up, Kev.
That would have to be the most loaded piece of crap I have ever read in my life!
Not taking the Mickie, but wow, speechless...

I guess this little gem sums up the whole article.

"Dr. Stanley Jacob has even given DMSO intravenously to people who were already paralyzed - paraplegics - and some regained use of limbs. One man, quadraplegic, recovered enough to go through college and then to work in a bank. (Haley, 2000)"

Hallelujah.


I am glad you got a laugh and I am surprised you did not read how puting DMSO on your balls will create more semen and grow your little fella .
I can honestly say that DMSO will not burn your sack like briny water .FACT




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So you've obviously tested them both Kevin? lol


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Karen Repia wrote:

So you've obviously tested them both Kevin? lol

That's the problem, it's all unproven. Time to put up or shut up I think.





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Andrew Paraskevas wrote:

Karen Repia wrote:

So you've obviously tested them both Kevin? lol

That's the problem, it's all unproven. Time to put up or shut up I think.


Andrew I never said DMSO puts the lead into your pencil so you need to stick with your pump still sorry .
Andrew have you read any research about DMSO or do you know it all like some others here .

I don't get it when a topic starts and gets rolling you get these one liners from the grand stand but you never get those same people ever trying to help people and have a laugh at the same time .

Andrew go over to the other site in one of your accounts and moan and bitch there



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I have put together a bit of research on what products this thread has talked about and because of the length of this research I did not find room to add the other topic about Balls or Knackers and at a later date I will add what not to use on your knackers

So far we have covered

Turpentine

Medicinal elixir[edit]
Turpentine and petroleum distillates such as coal oil and kerosene have been used medicinally since ancient times, as topical and sometimes internal home remedies. Topically it has been used for abrasions and wounds, as a treatment for lice, and when mixed with animal fat it has been used as a chest rub, or inhaler for nasal and throat ailments. Many modern chest rubs, such as the Vicks variety, still contain turpentine in their formulations.
Taken internally it was used as treatment for intestinal parasites because of its alleged antiseptic and diuretic properties, and a general cure-all] as in Hamlin's Wizard Oil. Sugar, molasses or honey were sometimes used to mask the taste. Internal administration of these toxic products is no longer common today.
Turpentine was a common medicine among seamen during the Age of Discovery, and one of several products carried aboard Ferdinand Magellan's fleet in his first circumnavigation of the globe.[

Hazards
As an organic solvent, its vapour can irritate the skin and eyes, damage the lungs and respiratory system, as well as the central nervous system when inhaled, and cause renal failure when ingested, among other things. Being combustible, it also poses a fire hazard. Due to the fact that turpentine can cause spasms of the airways particularly in people with asthma and whooping cough, it can contribute to a worsening of breathing issues in persons with these diseases if inhaled.

DMSO
Anti-inflammatory action
In horses, DMSO is applied as a topical gel or administered in liquid form intravenously or through a nasogastric tube. It is classified as a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) because it has antioxidant properties that can interrupt the inflammatory process. DMSO binds readily with hydroxide (OH) and other "free radicals," which are oxygen compounds that can damage or destroy healthy cells. Free radicals are often a byproduct of inflammation, and as they build up, they can stimulate more swelling and inflammation, which produces even more free radicals. Studies have shown that DMSO is a powerful free radical scavenger, and can slow or halt the destructive cascade of inflammatory damage to healthy tissue.

DMSO gel is sometimes applied topically to reduce swelling and inflammation associated with strained muscles and soft tissue injuries. Because the chemical is hygroscopic---meaning it attracts and binds to water molecules---it draws excess fluids out of tissues. "It makes a great sweat for swollen legs because it reduces edema," says Fleming, who frequently uses DMSO in his work with endurance horses. Liquid DMSO injections may also be used to treat bowed tendons and other injuries of dense tissues that are difficult to reach with other drugs.

In addition, DMSO is also often administered orally or intravenously in the early stages of laminitis to arrest inflammation in the soft tissues of the hooves. "The toxic effects that are taking place in the feet of the horse can be relieved considerably by administering a 10 percent solution of DMSO, adding it to the IV fluids," says Fleming. "It enhances the elimination of the toxins and reduces the damaging changes taking place in the foot."

Finally, DMSO is sometimes prescribed to treat brain or spinal inflammation associated with trauma, oxygen deprivation or diseases such as West Nile encephalitis or equine protozoal myeloencephalitis (EPM). "DMSO does two things; it reduces inflammation, and since it is hydrophilic it also draws moisture from the tissues, reducing edema and swelling in the meninges or spinal cord, or any other tissues," says Marlin C. Baker, DVM, of Alpha Equine Breeding Center in Granbury, Texas.

What more can DMSO do
DMSO also has wide-ranging applications that go beyond the control of inflammation:

Enhancement of drug action. When DMSO penetrates the skin and other membranes, it can readily carry many types of complex molecules with it---and that capability is often harnessed to help carry other drugs deeper into the targeted tissues. "For treating sore muscles, we just add DMSO to dexamethasone or prednisolone or any other drug we want to get inside the tissues as an anti-inflammatory," says Fleming. "When you rub those drugs over the skin they only work topically, but if you add DMSO to them, they go into the tissues and work better." Advertisement

DMSO can also carry other drugs into tissues that are otherwise difficult to penetrate. For example, some skin infections, such as ringworm, rainrot or scratches can be hard to treat because the infective organisms can be deep under the skin or crusty scurf. DMSO can help other antifungal or antibacterial drugs reach their targets more effectively.

Not all drugs work well with DMSO, depending on their molecular weight, shape and electrochemistry. And DMSO will not carry bacteria or viruses across cell membranes because they are too large.

Pain relief. Research shows that DMSO slows or blocks conduction of impulses along nerve cells, which in effect reduces pain from musculoskeletal injuries, postoperative incisions and other sources. Relief is only temporary---lasting up to a few hours---because as the DMSO dissipates, normal function returns. However, DMSO is also often used in conjunction with other analgesic drugs to produce more long-lasting pain relief. "We also use it as an adjunctive therapy in intestinal surgeries and for analgesia postoperatively," says McCarroll. "Many surgeons use DMSO in postoperative colic cases to improve microcirculation around the bowel. This promotes better healing and also gives some pain relief."

Diuretic action. Because DMSO draws fluids from tissues, it may be administered intravenously in cases where it is necessary to increase the horse's urinary elimination, such as to flush toxins from the system faster. "We use it for cantharidin poisoning [blister beetle toxicity]," says Baker. "In this situation it is given intravenously, to lessen the effect of that toxin on the kidneys and GI tract."

Some veterinarians also routinely administer low levels of intravenous DMSO to horses who are tying up, experiencing massive cramping of the large muscles after exercise. "By giving it intravenously, with fluids, it also helps the horse urinate more," Baker says, which in turn both helps the horse flush out and excrete the waste products from the breakdown of muscle cells and increases blood circulation into the area.

DMSO may be used to draw fluids out of the lungs in cases of acute pulmonary edema. "It is beneficial in respiratory disease because it reduces inflammation and draws some of the fluid/edema out of the lungs," says Baker. "Along with DMSO, we use Banamine or some kind of corticosteroid (to also reduce swelling and inflammation) and sometimes it's hard to tell which one is doing the most good, but they seem to work well together to gain a better response."

Inhibition of microbial growth. DMSO is a bacteriostatic agent, which means it inhibits the reproduction of bacteria but doesn't necessarily kill them outright. Some veterinarians add it in low concentrations to flushes used to rinse out draining abscesses or other infected wounds. Baker uses DMSO when he flushes out guttural pouches: "It's not irritating when it's diluted enough, and it does help liquefy a lot of the heavy, purulent material that is often found in the guttural pouch."

Prudent precautions
Because DMSO carries molecules through the skin and into the body, it's important to make sure the skin is clean and free of any other chemicals that could be inadvertently carried into the bloodstream. Fly sprays, for example, are safe when used as directed on the skin, but they contain chemicals that could become toxic if they are absorbed into the body.

"[DMSO] should not be used in conjunction with any organophosphate or cholinesterase-inhibitor insecticides," says McCarroll. "If a person applies one of these types of fly repellents and uses DMSO, this can have an additive effect and cause toxicity. The insecticide or parasiticide would have been fine used alone, but when combined with DMSO it will potentiate or increase the effects of that drug and make it toxic to the animal."

Many liniments also contain ingredients that are toxic if taken internally. "You don't want to use [DMSO] with certain types of products, such as those that contain mercury salt," says McCarroll. "This would take the mercury into the horse and can cause a fatal mercury toxicity. Iodine is not as toxic to the horse, but could also cause a problem. Certain other drugs like alcohol, insulin, corticosteroids and atropine may be made more powerful if used concurrently with DMSO."

This ability of DMSO to ease absorption of other topical products is also an issue if a horse is to be drug-tested for competition. "There is a relatively new nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug called Surpass that is designed to be used topically," says McCarroll. "When used according to directions it will not cause a positive drug test. But if you combine it with DMSO the drug level will be too high within the body and will cause a positive test."

Because DMSO is a powerful diuretic as well as a vasodilator, it can be harmful when given to dehydrated horses and those in shock. "It can increase loss of fluid via the kidneys and further dehydrate the animal," says McCarroll. "It also dilates the peripheral blood vessels and can thus lower the animal's blood pressure. If the animal is in shock, this would make the condition worse."Repeated or overzealous topical use of DMSO can dry out the skin, leading to scurf and scaling, redness or rash. DMSO produces heat when applied with other solutions, such as water or saline, alcohol or acetone, which can have therapeutic benefits---but too high a concentration can actually burn the skin. "In these instances it will produce a significant amount of heat and can actually cause thermal injury if a person is not careful with it," says McCarroll.

Veterinarians often recommend mixing DMSO with Furacin ointment, which buffers it to reduce burning of the skin. Some horses may be more sensitive to this effect than others. "You also don't want to use it on any individual that has had a bad reaction to DMSO in the past," says McCarroll.

Intravenous administration of DMSO also carries the risk of side effects. If the concentration is too high or the solution is administered too quickly, muscle tremors, diarrhea, colic, seizures and/or other adverse reactions may occur. Large intravenous doses may also destroy red blood cells and inhibit clotting.

DMSO is a powerful and versatile medication that has earned a well-deserved place in the veterinary tool kit. And as long it is treated with respect and not misused, it is likely to continue helping horses feel better for years to come.

Zheng Gu Shui

Zheng Gu Shui, lit: "Rectify Bones Liquid", penetrates to the bone level to promote healing and stop pain (dispel blood stasis and fluid stagnation). It is well known for its effectiveness at healing deep bone bruises and fractures; and is effective on all manner of bumps, bruises, sprains and strains. Zheng Gu Shui (pronounced �Jung Goo Shway�) is the liniment of choice for deep bone bruises and broken bones. It is a "neutral" solution that may be applied in all situations for pain relief.

Indications:
Invigorates blood, breaks blood stasis, moves qi, stops bleeding, disperses swelling, strengthens tendon and bone, dredges and opens the channels and collaterals, relieves pain. Use to heal bone fracture, and for inflammation and swelling during manual bone setting. Also useful for acute bruising or swelling accompanying traumatic sprain. May be helpful in torn or inflamed ligaments, with or without swelling. Analgesic for pains of muscles, joints, bruises, and strains.
lit: "Rectify Bones Liquid", penetrates to the bone level to promote healing and stop pain (dispel blood stasis and fluid stagnation). It is well known for its effectiveness at healing deep bone bruises and fractures; and is effective on all manner of bumps, bruises, sprains and strains. Zheng Gu Shui (pronounced �Jung Goo Shway�) is the liniment of choice for deep bone bruises and broken bones. It is a "neutral" solution that may be applied in all situations for pain relief.

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Karen Repia wrote:

So you've obviously tested them both Kevin? lol

Karen you could say I have had many things on my knackers and the Briny water one is something I have not done yet .
Karen I am up for a bit of a rub with some turps and animal fat .

LOL ..Hope you are getting a laugh Karen ...heheheh because I am serious and I am looking for a helper and I have your number .




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kevin wright wrote:

Andrew go over to the other site in one of your accounts and moan and bitch there

It's a bit like the kind in the school ground saying "prove it! prove it!". I was hoping you'd try it this morning before brekky.. lol

Other accounts? lol I'm hardly hiding behind any pseudonyms and one thing you'll never see from me is get on here and moan, whinge or bitch.

FWIW I don't really read into too much "research". The best research you can do is learning by doing.

I've used a mix of Bone Radiol 50%, 10% Iodine at 50% and then have added DMSO at 10% of that volume with success.

I've used the butchers brine and turpentine with success.

I've used ZGS with success.

Horses for courses - depending on the injury, the severity, the dog itself will depend on how they work, and how well they work.

...you knew that already though! lol



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Andrew Paraskevas wrote:

kevin wright wrote:

Andrew go over to the other site in one of your accounts and moan and bitch there

It's a bit like the kind in the school ground saying "prove it! prove it!". I was hoping you'd try it this morning before brekky.. lol

Other accounts? lol I'm hardly hiding behind any pseudonyms and one thing you'll never see from me is get on here and moan, whinge or bitch.

FWIW I don't really read into too much "research". The best research you can do is learning by doing.

I've used a mix of Bone Radiol 50%, 10% Iodine at 50% and then have added DMSO at 10% of that volume with success.

I've used the butchers brine and turpentine with success.

I've used ZGS with success.

Horses for courses - depending on the injury, the severity, the dog itself will depend on how they work, and how well they work.

...you knew that already though! lol


Nice come back Andrew .

And you got me hook line and sinker ... so one up for you ...LMAO

The main thing is we all learn from many sources and anyones input to any topic good or bad is welcome on a forum .




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Great bun (bum) fight keet it coming
Glad to see you research tool in action Kevine
Those 8 years spent in grade 6 were the best of your life lol

Ive been in dogs forty years plus and am always out there to learn so to anyone else try this ,just did it at home works brilliantly.

Dog came into kennle few weeks ago which had very bad pads ,very caloused withgrowths of hard skin hanging outside of main pads.
Have put all the stuff we guys put on to sofften and soaked pads in all types of liquids you can imagine.Slowly very slowly getting on top but still much to go,pumice stone of as much as dog can tolerate ( the dog is a real fidgit at best) .
Anyway a mate of mine had a clean out of some stuff and one item was a small dremel tool.
Well 10 mknutes latter with a very fine sand pad ,dog was good with its use and bad crappy pads all good ,carefull does it but its so small you could do your ouwn nail with it no problem.just keep feeling the pads suppleness as you go.
Now a good application of fat,lard,padaid,alovera whatever and dogs 100%

Sorry to go of topic but i thought it worth passing on



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Funny, but since the actually injury to be treated has been known, there has been hardly any suggestions on what people find effective for THAT SPECIFIC INJURY.

1. Ultra sonic.
2. Needle it.

That's it.

For mine, 50/50 Voren and Bowens.
Rest and on the lead for 2wks, depending on the extent of the tear.
Massage and gentle stretching during this time.
Recheck.
Gradual galloping back up to pace.

I guess the original poster has learnt more about other things than what he posted for.

Just so its consistent,(off topic) anyone tried old fashion ICE initially for bone problems then COMFREY internally/externally...and TIME?

Love this industry.



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steve woods wrote:

Great bun (bum) fight keet it coming
Glad to see you research tool in action Kevine
Those 8 years spent in grade 6 were the best of your life lol

Ive been in dogs forty years plus and am always out there to learn so to anyone else try this ,just did it at home works brilliantly.

Dog came into kennle few weeks ago which had very bad pads ,very caloused withgrowths of hard skin hanging outside of main pads.
Have put all the stuff we guys put on to sofften and soaked pads in all types of liquids you can imagine.Slowly very slowly getting on top but still much to go,pumice stone of as much as dog can tolerate ( the dog is a real fidgit at best) .
Anyway a mate of mine had a clean out of some stuff and one item was a small dremel tool.
Well 10 mknutes latter with a very fine sand pad ,dog was good with its use and bad crappy pads all good ,carefull does it but its so small you could do your ouwn nail with it no problem.just keep feeling the pads suppleness as you go.
Now a good application of fat,lard,padaid,alovera whatever and dogs 100%

Sorry to go of topic but i thought it worth passing on


Yes Steve the best 6 years of my life and the daily State school milk was to much to give up and also because I was told at High school you have to give up the milk habit .

The other two years I grew out of chasing the girls behind the portables so I don't rate them as good


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Funny, but since the actually injury to be treated has been known, there has been hardly any suggestions on what people find effective for THAT SPECIFIC INJURY.

1. Ultra sonic.
2. Needle it.

That's it.

For mine, 50/50 Voren and Bowens.
Rest and on the lead for 2wks, depending on the extent of the tear.
Massage and gentle stretching during this time.
Recheck.
Gradual galloping back up to pace.

I guess the original poster has learnt more about other things than what he posted for.

Just so its consistent,(off topic) anyone tried old fashion ICE initially for bone problems then COMFREY internally/externally...and TIME?

Love this industry.

I've been told needling a chest muscle injury isn't the way to go. The couple i've had this year we've just alternated between laser and ultrasound with good success. Apparently needling them creates too much scar tissue and restricts movement. That came from a very good vet whom I trust so I didn't feel the need to argue.

Ice and time would heal anything. A bit like applying ZGS for 14 days or leaving it for 2 weeks. I think the main reason we use these treatments is to speed up the process and also to heal it more effectively.





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Kevin I see you mentioned kero I can remember back when I was a kid when we walked on a nail or cut our foot with glass mum would put kero on it she use to tell us it was to help with preventing tetanus I cam also remember her with a health book on remedies etc I have used kero on the dogs a guy I was talking to not long back use to use it on fleas ...DMSO on the old jewels man ya game not that it would worry me seeing they don,t work anyway they are just part of the dressing now


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Isn't it amazing what the words "turpentine and brine" bring out in people !


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Funny, but since the actually injury to be treated has been known, there has been hardly any suggestions on what people find effective for THAT SPECIFIC INJURY.

1. Ultra sonic.
2. Needle it.

That's it.

For mine, 50/50 Voren and Bowens.
Rest and on the lead for 2wks, depending on the extent of the tear.
Massage and gentle stretching during this time.
Recheck.

Not saying you are wrong by the way, just offering another opinion.


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Carole Brown wrote:

Isn't it amazing what the words "turpentine and brine" bring out in people !

Absolutely
l for one have found that kevin is a masochist.
I will never look at the turps and brine in the same way again lol


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Andrew,

I have treated quite a few doing that and never had an issue.
Certainly, each to their own and if one way works for you, all good.
Always good to get different options, opinions, and ideas.

Yes, Carole.
I think some are secretly sniffing it and getting delusions of grandeur...lol.(or maybe sniffing DMSO mixed with magic mushrooms)

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