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Lianne Cook Australia (Verified User) Posts 13438 Dogs 100 / Races 97 21 Nov 2014 20:54
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Pat Coleby on Vitamin C Treatment for SNAKE BITES " Early in 1930, an American, Dr Klenner, (extensive article on Vitamin C by Dr. Klenner here) did much research on the use of Vitamin C on humans. In turn a Californian Vet, Dr Wendell Bellfield, carried on the good work with impressive results on all sorts of dog ailments that are generally considered incurable or fatal. Today, in USA, there are now a significant number if Vets practicing alternative Medicine such as this. After studying the literature, I decided that I really had nothing to lose trying Vitamin C on my own farm animals. The first one was a pony, almost moribund, whose blood was later diagnosed as having the largest amount of Tiger Snake venom the Vet had ever seen in an animal. Within 24 hours of being unable to move, and also having considerable difficulty in breathing due to pneumonia, the pony was grazing happily in its owners garden, apparently quite healthy. I only had one 30ml bottle of Vitamin C, half of what I would have liked, so I put half of the bottle into each side of the neck by intramuscular injection. After that we treated sundry dogs, two cats and several goats including a stud buck. All recovered. A very valuable Alpaca which was being watched by its owner from her kitchen window went down to the dam to examine something. The owners, horrified, watched a large snake rise up and strike it on the nose - the worst place - and thanked her lucky stars the Vitamin C was in the fridge - not still on the shopping list. Rushing out with only 15 mls in the syringe - she injected the Alpaca before any symptoms arose. The snake had looked like a brown or a tiger, the result - happy ending. The great advantage of Vitamin C is that anaphylaxis does not occur and the variety of snake does not matter. Vitamin C is cheap, easy to store and taking it on a hunting trip is no problem. All you need is a 20 ml syringe, some largish needles - say No 18 - and the bottle of Vitamin C. It can all be carried in a small wallet on ones belt. In between times it should be kept in the fridge. Although the stuff can be carried in summer without deteriorating, I suggest to hunters that they get a fresh supply each spring just to be on the safe side. After much reading of printouts of Bellfield's and other literature, many supplied by Dr Glen Dettman, a retired pathologist who lives near Melbourne, I have tried Vitamin C in many situations - a dog in a tick coma, spider bites, dogs with Parvo, Tetanus following a terrible injury from a car, and in cases of shock - all with unfailing success. Vitamin C can be used as crushed tablets or powder straight into the mouth in cases of sickness. From my own experience, rubbing the powder into a Redback spider bite took the pain (which is incredible) out within seconds. I followed it up with 10 grams by mouth. The spread of the poison in my arm stopped and I was able to resume work within a few minutes. The first goat I treated with Vitamin C was given a teaspoon of ascorbic acid powder (about 5 grams) every half hour for two hours, like the Alpaca, he was bitten right on the nose as I later found out. He recovered perfectly well. That was in the days before the injectable supplies were available. 50 ml bottles of Vitamin C can be obtained from some Chemists, most fodder or pet stores. Make sure the brand is 2 mls per gram and not 4 otherwise you need twice as much at twice the cost. I mentioned the size of the needles as 18 or thereabouts because the stuff can be slightly glutinous and speed is generally all important on the occasions when it is needed."
A lot of the country trainers in a few states have told me when they couldn't get to a vet on time/or vet wasn't available (in the country, the emergency hours number doesn't always mean a vet will answer the phone or be able to attend to your animal immediately as there is often only one vet on standby and if they get called out to another emergency then you have a long wait, which has happened to me a few times) that they used Vitamin C to neutralise the effects of the snake venom and then was able to take the dog to the vet the next day.
The dogs were always saved every time with Vit C if treated straight away after a suspected bite, (vets will tell you that yes, Vit C is usually their first course of treatment BEFORE they inject the animal with anti venom) whereas in some cases, you often end up with a massive vet bill and a dead dog if you don't give Vit C immediately and just take the dog to the vet for anti venom, in which case the delay may be too late.
Cynthia Suttle Australia (Verified User) Posts 195 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Nov 2014 22:54
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Richard Vrckoff wrote:
Vitamin C works well BUT you have to find the dog down very quickly as they can die within 30 minutes of a snake bite
Hello Richard. What dosage of Vitamin C? Hope I never have cause to use it but I always have had Vit C on hand just in case.
Simon Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 91 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 02:48
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So Lianne,
How would you give vitamin C to a dog with a suspected bite ????
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 22 Nov 2014 06:39
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Vit C powder. Dissolve in glass of water,3-4 tbl spoons, down it's throat. Repeat again 30mins. Ditto.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 22 Nov 2014 07:09
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You can also inject it, according to Lianne's article.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 08:01
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i wounder how much vit c do u give so the dog got anough venom to race on.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 22 Nov 2014 08:02
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Good question, Michael.
Mark Saal (Verified User) Posts 21 Dogs 1 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 08:49
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I had a dog last xmas day go down with a tick could not get a vet gave him 2 mil of vit c repeated it aprox 5 hours later dog was good as gold next day could not believe it.
Ron Hunter (Verified User) Posts 4151 Dogs 13 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 11:56
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Simon....Any luck catching the bugger!!!
Simon Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 91 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 18:35
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None....worked all day yesterday. Jumped the fence and cleaned up both next doors and took all their crap to the dump. Have kept all the dogs in the kennels all day.
Going to buy vermin netting and will be attaching it to the bottom of the fence.
Not sure what else I can Do ?????
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 22 Nov 2014 19:42
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Don't forget the cans and a bit of milk, Simon, and have a long handled shovel close by.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 19:59
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simon brown wrote:
None....worked all day yesterday. Jumped the fence and cleaned up both next doors and took all their crap to the dump. Have kept all the dogs in the kennels all day.
Going to buy vermin netting and will be attaching it to the bottom of the fence.
Not sure what else I can Do ?????
Hi Simon. Just thinking about the sadness & also frustration feelings you must have at present unfortunately m8. But also ponder regarding who the perpetrator that has given you much grief. Could it be possible that a snake wasn't the criminal in this incident but maybe a funnel web spider instead ? As the tell tale signs you provided us all with also match the description of a funnel web spiders effects on k9's as well. Just a thought m8. I hope you can solve this issue & I know you are doing your best to track the culprit down & finally get some closure of this tragic event you have had to go through as myself & many other forum users know 1st hand how devastated you feel cos been there before. Please keep us posted as I think plenty of us caring people really want this mystery solved & never happen again to any of us cos our animals are very special to most of us. Good luck buddy !
Jason Lymbery Australia (Verified User) Posts 429 Dogs 12 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 20:11
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yes carole that is correct,everyone should have a bottle of about 200 on stand by.we had dogs bitten and saved there lives.if it happens stick about 60 to 80 straight down there throat.it rids the body of toxins.it may be a different story with a tiger snake but i would still keep shoving them down there throat.it works,simple as that.the first thing a vet does is give them high doses of vitamin c any way and when they start to come round they rip you by telling you that they had some miracle cure.
Simon Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 91 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 23:20
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Steve,
I actually thought same last nite over a few beers. We have lived here for 6 years and not seen a snake ...so maybe I should be looking at everything.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Nov 2014 23:53
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simon brown wrote:
Steve,
I actually thought same last nite over a few beers. We have lived here for 6 years and not seen a snake ...so maybe I should be looking at everything.
Funnel web season to & the heat brings en out like snakes as well but nearly impossible to find em. I would empty out your kennels & get some high strength surface spray & fumigate the entire kennel area , roof ,walls & surrounding area of about 5mts. keep ya k9's out of the kennel for a few hours so all the chemicals in the kennel can completely get out & have fresh air circulating through again. that should kill any spiders entering + any cockroachs etc etc. I do this to my 3 k9 kennel shed every 3mths & it kills anything insect spiders etc etc instantly. That's what I would be doing now a.s.a.p. cos ya got a killer in close range of your k9's & EVERY base must be covered. best wishes m8. keep us all posted m8 ok.
Simon Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 91 Dogs 2 / Races 0 23 Nov 2014 06:02
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Are you a novocastrian Steve Harvey ?
Seamus Eamonn Mullin Australia (Verified User) Posts 5 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Nov 2014 20:24
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Very interesting reading on vitamin C Can vitamin C be used to build up the dogs immune system [sprinkled on the dogs food] If you have to inject the vitamin, does it matter what part of the animal you do this to
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Nov 2014 02:10
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simon brown wrote:
Are you a novocastrian Steve Harvey ?
Sure am
Richard Gray Australia (Verified User) Posts 2231 Dogs 11 / Races 9 24 Nov 2014 02:40
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My brood bitch killed a brown snake in her kennel yesterday. EXTERNAL LINK Lucky that it happend in front of me so as I could act. Had McIvor rd vets on standby, (and yes gave some vit C) Hosed her down from head to toe every 10 minuits to get her to have a "shake" (HINT FOR EVERYONE, If they have been bitten and effected, they will not be able to shake and stay on their feet) Gave the girl the all clear after four hours. Going to be a LONG season here in Victoria.
Rich.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 24 Nov 2014 03:11
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