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Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 19 Mar 2015 23:28
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I have a young bitch that has had about 6 starts and ran a few 2nds and 3rds but she literally walks out of the boxes and is 3-4 lengths off the pace. After trying a few mm's to no avail I was about to give up on her but took her to a mm 4 hrs away and he found a deep shoulder injury that he thought was quite old. So she has been treated and had a fortnight off - now my question is - "If a dog who wouldn't jump because it was hurting her to do so. Will she now jump if her shoulder is OK? Or has it become ingrained in her? I wanted to know if anyone has seen a dog box and jump ok after an injury has been rectified or can it become a psychological problem? Thanks for any advice from anyone who has experienced a similar situation.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 20 Mar 2015 00:06
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My experience coming back from injuries is it does take a few runs for them to realise it doesn't hurt any more. That said, I wouldn't anticipate a shoulder injury to stop them jumping. It would certainly see them ease into the bends and probably run wide entering the straight......but they should still jump ok. I'd be more inclined to think it is a field shyness or confidence issue.
That said....if the injury is indeed the underlying cause, then a few solo trials and maybe a half field trial should get her jumping again.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Mar 2015 00:21
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Cheers Mark - she jumped ok her first 2 starts but since then it's been giving the field a 4 length start so it could be a head thing but she doesn't run wide etc. That's why I was wondering if it was her shoulder injury causing her not to jump.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 20 Mar 2015 01:18
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Jack Gatty wrote:
Cheers Mark - she jumped ok her first 2 starts but since then it's been giving the field a 4 length start so it could be a head thing but she doesn't run wide etc. That's why I was wondering if it was her shoulder injury causing her not to jump.
Had a bitch break in best of her litter....trialing the house down, very fast early even in half fields, super hard chaser......but as soon as I took her to a full race meeting with all the people, cars, full fields etc she did a complete backflip mentally, went into her shell and had to almost be carried to the boxes. Gave the field a 4-8 length head start in every one of her races. Her one win she gave them a 6 length head start, her first split was 8 lengths off her best....and she still won by 3 lengths pulling away. She ended up staying in the boxes one night and I retired her. Take her to a trial track however and she would run best of day (a few lengths off Group class) and run brilliant first splits.
I hope yours does have injury issues (don't take that the wrong way)......because if it's in her head then you are really gonna struggle to get her right.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 20 Mar 2015 05:10
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Jack, is she on any season suppressant ?
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Mar 2015 05:32
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No Carole - she's only had one heat about 10 mnths ago and had 3 months off. Cheers.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 20 Mar 2015 07:04
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Jack, there are quite a few reasons why she could be missing the jump, so I hope your mm has found the right one. Good luck.
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 20 Mar 2015 09:56
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Hi carole, do you have an email address I could contact you on?
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 20 Mar 2015 09:57
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Check my profile, Craig.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Mar 2015 17:52
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Hi Jack been thinking about the girl there could be anything the cause but sometimes if they are getting bumped and knocked about a bit when they come out of the boxes they will at times not jump as in they prefer at the back the same goes if you jump them out onto the tiny bullring circle this will also have a tendency of them missing the kick field shyness is another.I always found that if that is their trait to not do anything boxwise to them usually I will take them to the drag hare and give them a few runs up the straight with the hare a good 10 to 15m from the lids this makes them get down and settle and helps them anticipate the start better where as a rail with noise may over excite them I have always found jumping them from the lids straight onto the rail is not a good policy
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Mar 2015 23:47
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John McAlister wrote:
Hi Jack been thinking about the girl there could be anything the cause but sometimes if they are getting bumped and knocked about a bit when they come out of the boxes they will at times not jump as in they prefer at the back the same goes if you jump them out onto the tiny bullring circle this will also have a tendency of them missing the kick field shyness is another.I always found that if that is their trait to not do anything boxwise to them usually I will take them to the drag hare and give them a few runs up the straight with the hare a good 10 to 15m from the lids this makes them get down and settle and helps them anticipate the start better where as a rail with noise may over excite them I have always found jumping them from the lids straight onto the rail is not a good policy
Thanks for advice John - I haven't got a lure and use the local track to trial/exercise. So do you think slipping her from beside the box with the lids still pinging might help. I mean run her with some dogs that are jumping out of the box but slip her say from outside the 8 - is this what you mean or do it solo? Only thing they don't get down when slipping and don't want her getting used to starting from a standing start.Cheers
Brian McKivat Australia (Verified User) Posts 402 Dogs 5 / Races 0 21 Mar 2015 00:11
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Jack Gatty wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
Hi Jack been thinking about the girl there could be anything the cause but sometimes if they are getting bumped and knocked about a bit when they come out of the boxes they will at times not jump as in they prefer at the back the same goes if you jump them out onto the tiny bullring circle this will also have a tendency of them missing the kick field shyness is another.I always found that if that is their trait to not do anything boxwise to them usually I will take them to the drag hare and give them a few runs up the straight with the hare a good 10 to 15m from the lids this makes them get down and settle and helps them anticipate the start better where as a rail with noise may over excite them I have always found jumping them from the lids straight onto the rail is not a good policy
Thanks for advice John - I haven't got a lure and use the local track to trial/exercise. So do you think slipping her from beside the box with the lids still pinging might help. I mean run her with some dogs that are jumping out of the box but slip her say from outside the 8 - is this what you mean or do it solo? Only thing they don't get down when slipping and don't want her getting used to starting from a standing start.Cheers
Jack, if she is injury free, my advice is to take her to your trial track get someone to box her and get yourself in a position so that you can see what she is doing in the box i.e is she down, up the front, or sitting back or moving about. Once you detect the problem you can start working on it.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 21 Mar 2015 01:09
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Cheers Brian - if she didn't have a bit of ability I think I'd give up but she gets back into the pack by the first turn and then finds trouble trying to get through and is a natural railer. I have tried to watch replays but can't tell if she has her ass up so will do as you suggest and stand in front and see if she is right up front nose down. From what I have seen she won't come out until the lid is fully open. Very frustrating. Cheers.
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 21 Mar 2015 03:16
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Jack, I dont have the required experience to answer you but my bitch had a similar problem. She was always dynamite out of the box then lost that trait. We found a small tear in her monkey. So after 7 weeks off and some treatment by the vet, I trialed her again. Her first split was poor on the first trial but the next trial was exceptional. So I believe Mark is right. It might take a trial or 2 for her to realize it doesnt hurt anymore. Anyway, my personal lesson is when I think they are 100% right, I give them another week off.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 21 Mar 2015 07:03
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Cheers Jamie - your story gives me some hope.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Mar 2015 05:43
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Jack Gatty wrote:
I have a young bitch that has had about 6 starts and ran a few 2nds and 3rds but she literally walks out of the boxes and is 3-4 lengths off the pace. After trying a few mm's to no avail I was about to give up on her but took her to a mm 4 hrs away and he found a deep shoulder injury that he thought was quite old. So she has been treated and had a fortnight off - now my question is - "If a dog who wouldn't jump because it was hurting her to do so. Will she now jump if her shoulder is OK? Or has it become ingrained in her? I wanted to know if anyone has seen a dog box and jump ok after an injury has been rectified or can it become a psychological problem? Thanks for any advice from anyone who has experienced a similar situation.
I don't know if my advice is correct 4 your case in question but just make sure 100% that she has been gone over by a PROVEN REPUTABLE muscle man 1st then if it IS her shoulder make sure you work on it & have it "right" b4 working her again as some shoulder injuries can be more severe than at 1st thought & if not worked on correctly with the proper treatment & given plenty of time 2 recover I GUARANTEE it will flare up again when u put it around the turns again. If u r confident its "right" I would give her 2wks of regular free galloping 2 begin with then give her 2-3 300mt handslips up the straight all the while making sure the shoulder is ok & you can tell by the way she is in her galloping action ,if sore she won't fully extend in her stride also her massaging & rubbing her shoulder out everyday as well as light stretching it CORRECTLY b4 each gallop & then put her from the box's & give her 2-3 trials up the straight over say 270-300mts & see if she pulls up A.O.K + running "TIME" on the clock. If that all goes A.O.K I then would take her 2 her favourite track & find a friend that has a real slow K9 that u know she can beat & trial it 2 out with that K9 over the "shorts" & make sure she beats it & that should give her a bit more confidence, then take it from there m8. Just my opinion as its your bitch & you know her better than myself or anybody else + its hard 2 diagnose these sorts of cases by computer - really need 2 check 4 ya own eyes if ya get my drift m8. Best of luck Jack.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Mar 2015 06:08
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steve harvey wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
I have a young bitch that has had about 6 starts and ran a few 2nds and 3rds but she literally walks out of the boxes and is 3-4 lengths off the pace. After trying a few mm's to no avail I was about to give up on her but took her to a mm 4 hrs away and he found a deep shoulder injury that he thought was quite old. So she has been treated and had a fortnight off - now my question is - "If a dog who wouldn't jump because it was hurting her to do so. Will she now jump if her shoulder is OK? Or has it become ingrained in her? I wanted to know if anyone has seen a dog box and jump ok after an injury has been rectified or can it become a psychological problem? Thanks for any advice from anyone who has experienced a similar situation.
I don't know if my advice is correct 4 your case in question but just make sure 100% that she has been gone over by a PROVEN REPUTABLE muscle man 1st then if it IS her shoulder make sure you work on it & have it "right" b4 working her again as some shoulder injuries can be more severe than at 1st thought & if not worked on correctly with the proper treatment & given plenty of time 2 recover I GUARANTEE it will flare up again when u put it around the turns again. If u r confident its "right" I would give her 2wks of regular free galloping 2 begin with then give her 2-3 300mt handslips up the straight all the while making sure the shoulder is ok & you can tell by the way she is in her galloping action ,if sore she won't fully extend in her stride also her massaging & rubbing her shoulder out everyday as well as light stretching it CORRECTLY b4 each gallop & then put her from the box's & give her 2-3 trials up the straight over say 270-300mts & see if she pulls up A.O.K + running "TIME" on the clock. If that all goes A.O.K I then would take her 2 her favourite track & find a friend that has a real slow K9 that u know she can beat & trial it 2 out with that K9 over the "shorts" & make sure she beats it & that should give her a bit more confidence, then take it from there m8. Just my opinion as its your bitch & you know her better than myself or anybody else + its hard 2 diagnose these sorts of cases by computer - really need 2 check 4 ya own eyes if ya get my drift m8. Best of luck Jack.
Also Jack, try 2 keep her off all that hormone sh-t if you can as it only causes more harm than good in the long term. I have never had any luck racing bitch's on that type of CRAP & a few bitch's I have gotten off other trainers in the past were FULL of that sh-t & had gone twice as sour as a lemon on it & It took me 4wks 2 clean all that POISON out of em but once I had them all cleaned out A1 ETC ETC those bitch's started 2 come good again + their all round behaviour improved out of sight a complete night/day difference which was understood considering the condititon they were in when I got them ! SOME PEOPLE !
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 23 Mar 2015 07:02
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Thanks Steue for your advice. Been working feng gu shui in with massage everyday. Started with bone-radiol but switched to FGS. Never had her on any hormones so all good there. Seems patience and slowly bringing her back will be the go. Thanks I've appreciated everyones help.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Mar 2015 07:57
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Jack Gatty wrote:
Thanks Steue for your advice. Been working feng gu shui in with massage everyday. Started with bone-radiol but switched to FGS. Never had her on any hormones so all good there. Seems patience and slowly bringing her back will be the go. Thanks I've appreciated everyones help.
No worries m8. Just take ya time with that shoulder , u can try laser treatment also rubbing it out with IODISED OIL regularly will help. The extra time & patience spent will be worth it, just don't rush her m8.
Gayle Lemin Australia (Verified User) Posts 616 Dogs 10 / Races 0 24 Mar 2015 09:17
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Time and patience are great healers for the mind and the body
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