The Greyhound-Data Forum has been created to act as a platform for greyhound enthusiasts to share information on this magnificent animal called a greyhound.
Greyhound-Data reserve the right to remove any post that is off topic, advertisements or opinions they consider to be offensive.
If you answer then please try to stay on topic. It's absolutely okay to answer in a broader scope but don't hijack posts by switching to something off topic.
In case you see an insulting post: DO NOT REPLY TO IT!
Use the report button to inform the moderators so that we can delete it.
Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog? Or do you need advice in curing an injury?
Makes one want to laugh
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 01:01
(0)
(0)
EXTERNAL LINK doesn't it just outside the red 1 other dog has won a race in it's last 4 starts 1 has had 2 placings in the last 4 starts and 1 has had 1 placing now ....7 strs with 4 of them being scratched I wonder why [lol] this is an M2/M3 and they talk about fair grading ...GRNSW you should be ashamed to let this ridiculous caper keep going on why not bring in a rule where it is genuine Masters that are completely out of form that are allowed to race these races 1000k trial and a 2603 time to boot.....I will bring myself into disrepute ...GRNSW your grading system in this state is a complete farce this grading system is the biggest problem we have when it comes to Greyhound Welfare we don't need more grades like Melbourne ...we need a fair grade where the borderline dogs can also have a racing life just like the faster dogs if you care to ask me I will say this...you people down in GRNSW have an Order Of Entry system why not use it properly instead of making up fields around 1 in form dog.Order Of Entry can also be used as a Handicapping System where better dogs just can't have a free go at the prizemonies ..look how simple it could be M2/M3 grade at maximum of 200 rating points...5th grade 450m of not more than 150 rating points 0wins last 3 starts...GRNSW you people are becoming Ignorant to the Welfare of the Greyhounds in this Industry and my advice is to get your bloody shoes off the top rung of this ridiculous ladder and plant them where they belong at the bottom where the problem lies
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Oct 2015 01:10
(0)
(0)
John McAlister wrote:
EXTERNAL LINK doesn't it just outside the red 1 other dog has won a race in it's last 4 starts 1 has had 2 placings in the last 4 starts and 1 has had 1 placing now ....7 strs with 4 of them being scratched I wonder why [lol] this is an M2/M3 and they talk about fair grading ...GRNSW you should be ashamed to let this ridiculous caper keep going on why not bring in a rule where it is genuine Masters that are completely out of form that are allowed to race these races 1000k trial and a 2603 time to boot.....I will bring myself into disrepute ...GRNSW your grading system in this state is a complete farce this grading system is the biggest problem we have when it comes to Greyhound Welfare we don't need more grades like Melbourne ...we need a fair grade where the borderline dogs can also have a racing life just like the faster dogs if you care to ask me I will say this...you people down in GRNSW have an Order Of Entry system why not use it properly instead of making up fields around 1 in form dog.Order Of Entry can also be used as a Handicapping System where better dogs just can't have a free go at the prizemonies ..look how simple it could be M2/M3 grade at maximum of 200 rating points...5th grade 450m of not more than 150 rating points 0wins last 3 starts...GRNSW you people are becoming Ignorant to the Welfare of the Greyhounds in this Industry and my advice is to get your bloody shoes off the top rung of this ridiculous ladder and plant them where they belong at the bottom where the problem lies
Interesting points please tell us more .. Don't hold back let it rip ...
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 01:16
(0)
(0)
People maybe it's time to vent some anger concerning this Industry we are being threatened By Newson and Co that the Industry may close well if that's the case tell us please so we can start doing something with the dogs he calls wastage and others yet a lot of them live luxury lives on lounges have free roaming but the Antis and the Hierachy's think if you don't see them or see a name they are dead wastage. Do GRNSW ask these rescue groups to keep tabs on their own dogs or when a dog is placed is it a suitable member of the public that gets that dog Gough once said it was time ..maybe it is again
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 01:28
(0)
(0)
John McAlister wrote:
EXTERNAL LINK doesn't it just outside the red 1 other dog has won a race in it's last 4 starts 1 has had 2 placings in the last 4 starts and 1 has had 1 placing now ....7 strs with 4 of them being scratched I wonder why [lol] this is an M2/M3 and they talk about fair grading ...GRNSW you should be ashamed to let this ridiculous caper keep going on why not bring in a rule where it is genuine Masters that are completely out of form that are allowed to race these races 1000k trial and a 2603 time to boot.....I will bring myself into disrepute ...GRNSW your grading system in this state is a complete farce this grading system is the biggest problem we have when it comes to Greyhound Welfare we don't need more grades like Melbourne ...we need a fair grade where the borderline dogs can also have a racing life just like the faster dogs if you care to ask me I will say this...you people down in GRNSW have an Order Of Entry system why not use it properly instead of making up fields around 1 in form dog.Order Of Entry can also be used as a Handicapping System where better dogs just can't have a free go at the prizemonies ..look how simple it could be M2/M3 grade at maximum of 200 rating points...5th grade 450m of not more than 150 rating points 0wins last 3 starts...GRNSW you people are becoming Ignorant to the Welfare of the Greyhounds in this Industry and my advice is to get your bloody shoes off the top rung of this ridiculous ladder and plant them where they belong at the bottom where the problem lies
The core problem with the GRNSW is in my opinion that they tend 2 soley employ individuals that have never put a lead on a K9 at best. They may claim that a conflict of interests can occur somewhere. 2 me that's just insulting the integrity of individuals who may not be hands on involved in K9's anymore but are looking 2 get involved fulltime within a department of power in K9's just 2 improve the oversee'n & regulation of the K9 game 4 the good of all leading into the new future. Can't work that thought process out at all. How can individuals who have no real life understanding of the K9 racing etc etc tell far more experienced K9 folk what 2 do , how 2 do it & when 2 do it etc etc. No sense 2 me folks. Just my opinion on a touchy subject.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 01:36
(0)
(0)
Kev an M3/M2 grade race tonite at Bulli now I am definitely not blaming the trainer for nominating the dog no way ...but a dog in that form should be racing the right grade not greyhounds that are average at best with a half dozen wins maybe. The biggest problem we have in this industry is grading fullstop and the second biggest would be back as far as Fernando's average winning margin.Where are the clubs while this is all going on they are hiding under rocks frieghtened their little worlds don't cave in,surely 1 CEO out there could have the balls to advertise heats for a Special race for 5th grade 0wins x last 3sts with Maximum 150 Rated Points all dogs would be handicapping themselves as there form improves or decreases ...Kev this is a very big Welfare Area this is where the give aways live that are the less than average dog races, it's where the greyhounds that are better than average mostly race and I have done stats on these Big Kev 1 to 3 wins below average with 3 just under 4 to 7 wins is average it's par for course for many dogs and then it's upwards from 8 to 11 wins which is the bread and butter type dogs 12 upwards to 19 well more than handy and the we get into where not a lot of greyhounds get the chance to venture 20+ so we have 1 to 3 wins 4 to 7 wins 8 to 11 wins 12 to 19 wins Upper class lol You may want to know where I got these stats from Kev ...mmmm try when I ws doing stats on stud dogs
Kenneth Markham Australia (Verified User) Posts 252 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 01:46
(0)
(0)
John that race is an absolute farce it was advertised as an M3 race and GRNSW have made it into an M2 M3 event.You can't blame the trainer he is using the system which is very flawed.Like the trainers who have scratched how can anyone think this is in the spirit of masters races.The trainer who scratched 3 didn't hide the reason for scratching either.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 30 Oct 2015 02:05
(0)
(0)
John McAlister wrote:
People maybe it's time to vent some anger concerning this Industry we are being threatened By Newson and Co that the Industry may close well if that's the case tell us please so we can start doing something with the dogs he calls wastage and others yet a lot of them live luxury lives on lounges have free roaming but the Antis and the Hierachy's think if you don't see them or see a name they are dead wastage. Do GRNSW ask these rescue groups to keep tabs on their own dogs or when a dog is placed is it a suitable member of the public that gets that dog Gough once said it was time ..maybe it is again
'They' shut the sport down...what are the compensation ramifications...???
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 02:36
(0)
(0)
Ken I am in no way putting any blame what so ever on the trainer all I am saying to me there must be a better way of getting these races graded right.Mate I sit and rate horses every other day and I see horses 8,9 yrs old racing down in the lowest races on the Benchmark System which offhand I think is 58 Rated Points and they only race races up to 64 on non major days I think provincial races up to 70 or thereabouts major days are different.The clubs should be taking us forward they should be carrying the banner and pushing for grading changes 3 and a half is not old for a dog they can still run handy times but the whole system should be getting looked at.To some dogs these Masters events and even the graded races are a deadest farce and the silly part about it all the cost is zero to GRNSW greyhounds should be able to be handicapped and some do get handicapped as in Bulli Tonite and there is plenty of other instances in these 4/5th grade races but it IS the lower graded dog that gets the biggest handicap it has to start at the disadvantage while the graded dog the better dog gets all the advantages because it hasn't started on the track or a certain distance or both ...like hullo I rate horses to find the handicappers mistakes and there are quite a few simply because of the Benchmark Rule that says the Top weighted Horse must carry 60kgs unless blah blah blah. If ever we are going to move forward Grading is the 1st place to start because the lower end is the Welfare issue and that's not the fault of any trainer
Kenneth Markham Australia (Verified User) Posts 252 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 02:48
(0)
(0)
Grading is a big issue this race clearly highlights it but most Bulli meetings have similar situations which is why noms are regularly extended.No one can lay blame on the trainer he is a nice fellow and a good man with collar and lead I just wish I could get a 1400 donation lol.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 02:51
(0)
(0)
Grant they are Government and they can do what they like because they waste the money on the wrong people to try to get the right answers just look at the fine example now they have us in dilemma and it's the blind trying to lead us and take us forward with rules rules and more rules Kennel Size 3 square metres floor area Dogs must have fresh clean water [well that's should be done twice daily] What in your opinion would be the average amount of starts that a greyhound has in its racing life [ahum yes well that depends how the dog is going] Gee the rules the questions my god I hope the ones that write the answers know what they are talking about Really Grant they make the rules and ask the questions and some from both those areas we know are wrong
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Oct 2015 02:54
(0)
(0)
The problem we all face now is MEDIOCRITY ....
We have a level of dog that is well above what many people's dogs are and it's always been the case .
We promote to now have slow dogs and its suits most small time people who have one or two dogs and breed a litter every two years or so but they do race all the dogs or we try to race them all because we have vested interest in them .
We have the PRO'S who make all the money and this has never changed .
Our biggest problem is that we need to protect the small players and at the same time we need to protect our industry and we must have the better dogs racing in Town because they deserve the right to be there and the owners and trainers of these dogs deserve that right as well .
This is where it gets interesting .....
The Tier 3 racing in Victoria sometimes is very poor but the funny thing is THE PUNTER DON'T CARE AND THE POOLS ARE BIGGER THAN SOME MEETINGS AT THE MEADOWS AND SANDOWN on their non penalty days .
You will find once some tracks start closing in NSW that this will also come into play up your way John at some point in time .
We are very fortunate to be able to race the dogs we breed regardless of their ability and a lot of people just love having a lead and collar on a dog and its a hobby and there is nothing wrong with that at all and this is our right to be able to have races to suit all classes of greyhounds and lets face it if u owned a slow tier3 dog you would be happy to race for a bag of kibble every week so i see no problem at all with this model ..
What we don't want is for us to become Americanised and then all of these little backyard kennels will disappear never to return again because you will have to get a track booking to race at that track .
Our system at times is unfair to some degree but we could be in a far worse situation with only the BIG BOYS CONTROLLING THE SHOW ..
As greyhound lovers we need to PROTECT EVERYONE BIG AND SMALL and we need to make sure we are NOT RAILROADED BY A BUNCH OF MORONS who have never put a leash and collar on a greyhound in there entire lives .
Grading will always be give and take and its up to the trainer to try and place his dog to win regardless of the fields if you are eligible then you must hit the softer targets and give your young dog confidence and if he has to run against lower class dogs then so be it that's the way it goes ...IT IS WHAT IT IS
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 02:56
(0)
(0)
Good luck to him Ken I wonder if he breaks the record would it be classed as such forgot it was a 7 dog field before scratchings ...see rules I think there was a race here not long back where 3 dogs raced the record was broken and the glory given to the winner ..maybe in Melbourne not long back
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 03:18
(0)
(0)
Kev we have to get this Welfare Issue sorted Grading is a great start and with the order of Choice Ratings we have a great start and there don't have to be Grades at all.The Order Of Choice gets used 2 ways a by the Club that is presenting and featuring the race and B by the Graders. A club advertises for a Maximum 150 Rated Race with Maximum 3 wins The Grader selects the best 10 dogs nominated that are eligible The winner and placegetters move up in Ratings while the losers go down And we must remember there maybe enough dogs nommed to get a number of fields The Club advertises for a Max 300 Rated race Open The Grader gets 10 noms at 260 Rated Points and under ...he makes the field up at that from top down Each and every dog handicaps itself on performance If it goes well and runs a place it moves up the scale if not then it is down Everything is fair the dog will find its racing level and the Welfare Issue will start to correct because trainers will hang on to their dogs and race them for a longer period knowing full well they will be in with some chance
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 03:32
(0)
(0)
Track closures will happen have no fears there and this area again should be looked at in Regional Areas that cater for 100klm radius or more. Dubbo 1 Tab C and 1 Tab B meeting along with a D meeting when needed Tamworth Tab C weekly with 1 D meeting when Needed Now the Chestnut Cessnock infrastructure there with plenty of Scope Close Maitland The Gardens and Gosford Make Cessnock Regional with Dual Tracks Richmond becomes our City Track with Straight Built This way we don't lose out
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Oct 2015 04:08
(0)
(0)
John McAlister wrote:
Track closures will happen have no fears there and this area again should be looked at in Regional Areas that cater for 100klm radius or more. Dubbo 1 Tab C and 1 Tab B meeting along with a D meeting when needed Tamworth Tab C weekly with 1 D meeting when Needed Now the Chestnut Cessnock infrastructure there with plenty of Scope Close Maitland The Gardens and Gosford Make Cessnock Regional with Dual Tracks Richmond becomes our City Track with Straight Built This way we don't lose out
NSW will never prosper with Wentworth park and the rules governing anything you can do with its present position ...
Cut the small tracks back and create the same model we have in Victoria with two tracks that are generating money for both clubs to prosper . Make maybe a duel track city venue at Richmond and to try and get into Wentworth Park is a nightmare and it is logistically out of the area you need to be in ..
Example
The Meadows Built in the slums of Broadmeadows on a old tip site .....and people love it in the area
Its State of the art track but its a bad track for young dogs because its to fast at times and especially this time of the year but thats another story for a future thread
The club derives its money from a joint venture with Sandown and its a proven model to follow regardless of the over fast track surface we are forced to race on .
Sandown Built next to Springvale and this place is a little like visiting Vietnam and they have the very best of everything and the pokies and restaurant alone generate millions and its built in the heart of the racing precinct and was built in a very poor area at the time but People love it Both tracks cater for the masses and are based on the same concept and each city track is on the fringe of each city with Freeways running very close to each of them ....
Wentworth park is a dinosaur A PLACE THAT'S IN THE HEART OF THE CITY AND IT ATTRACTS NO ONE AT ALL ....Rip it down build a track at Richmond and the Gardens and go from there . IMO ..
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 30 Oct 2015 05:02
(0)
(0)
John McAlister wrote:
Track closures will happen have no fears there and this area again should be looked at in Regional Areas that cater for 100klm radius or more. Dubbo 1 Tab C and 1 Tab B meeting along with a D meeting when needed Tamworth Tab C weekly with 1 D meeting when Needed Now the Chestnut Cessnock infrastructure there with plenty of Scope Close Maitland The Gardens and Gosford Make Cessnock Regional with Dual Tracks Richmond becomes our City Track with Straight Built This way we don't lose out
We should have done it years ago on our terms..Plenty said it but were howled down now these new people will bungle that job and we will be further in the hole.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 05:59
(0)
(0)
kevin wright wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
Track closures will happen have no fears there and this area again should be looked at in Regional Areas that cater for 100klm radius or more. Dubbo 1 Tab C and 1 Tab B meeting along with a D meeting when needed Tamworth Tab C weekly with 1 D meeting when Needed Now the Chestnut Cessnock infrastructure there with plenty of Scope Close Maitland The Gardens and Gosford Make Cessnock Regional with Dual Tracks Richmond becomes our City Track with Straight Built This way we don't lose out
NSW will never prosper with Wentworth park and the rules governing anything you can do with its present position ...
Cut the small tracks back and create the same model we have in Victoria with two tracks that are generating money for both clubs to prosper . Make maybe a duel track city venue at Richmond and to try and get into Wentworth Park is a nightmare and it is logistically out of the area you need to be in ..
Example
The Meadows Built in the slums of Broadmeadows on a old tip site .....and people love it in the area
Its State of the art track but its a bad track for young dogs because its to fast at times and especially this time of the year but thats another story for a future thread
The club derives its money from a joint venture with Sandown and its a proven model to follow regardless of the over fast track surface we are forced to race on .
Sandown Built next to Springvale and this place is a little like visiting Vietnam and they have the very best of everything and the pokies and restaurant alone generate millions and its built in the heart of the racing precinct and was built in a very poor area at the time but People love it Both tracks cater for the masses and are based on the same concept and each city track is on the fringe of each city with Freeways running very close to each of them ....
Wentworth park is a dinosaur A PLACE THAT'S IN THE HEART OF THE CITY AND IT ATTRACTS NO ONE AT ALL ....Rip it down build a track at Richmond and the Gardens and go from there . IMO ..
Hey Kev. Not turning this subject into a shouting match bro but there is 1 or 2 points you raise that I disagree with you on. No.1 Shut down small tracks - I take that as being non tab country tracks you suggest. CAN'T DO THAT , cos country tracks are the grass roots of it all m8. Plenty Champs & Superstars kicked off their careers on such tracks. If ya got a fair K9 that don't handle Gardens , Gosford but flies at say Wauchope, Border Park & you shut down these tracks , where do I take it 2 win or be competitive at bro ? I also have a dislike 4 W.P track probably cos I've never had any good K9 2 take there & earn $'s ! Ha Ha Ha... I hate 2 sound like an old broken record long trashed but the closure of H.P back in the late 80's was the nucleaous from which all the rot that we have now originated from breeding 2 racing 2 catering etc etc. Just my opinion m8. Sell off W.P lease early get big bucks then build a purpose built dual track complex big shoe & 2 turn type - that cater 4 plenty of different galloping styles of K9's. Just a dream but what about that $6 million "white elephant" at W.P , great idea that 1 man ! Ha Ha Ha. Vic grading policy got it all over NSW policy so you "Mexicans" shouldn't be complaining 2 loudly , why ALL Wheeler K9's go straight 2 VIC , so got chance 2 win many more races & earn p/money , simple ! Regards m8
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Oct 2015 06:06
(0)
(0)
steve harvey wrote:
kevin wright wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
Track closures will happen have no fears there and this area again should be looked at in Regional Areas that cater for 100klm radius or more. Dubbo 1 Tab C and 1 Tab B meeting along with a D meeting when needed Tamworth Tab C weekly with 1 D meeting when Needed Now the Chestnut Cessnock infrastructure there with plenty of Scope Close Maitland The Gardens and Gosford Make Cessnock Regional with Dual Tracks Richmond becomes our City Track with Straight Built This way we don't lose out
NSW will never prosper with Wentworth park and the rules governing anything you can do with its present position ...
Cut the small tracks back and create the same model we have in Victoria with two tracks that are generating money for both clubs to prosper . Make maybe a duel track city venue at Richmond and to try and get into Wentworth Park is a nightmare and it is logistically out of the area you need to be in ..
Example
The Meadows Built in the slums of Broadmeadows on a old tip site .....and people love it in the area
Its State of the art track but its a bad track for young dogs because its to fast at times and especially this time of the year but thats another story for a future thread
The club derives its money from a joint venture with Sandown and its a proven model to follow regardless of the over fast track surface we are forced to race on .
Sandown Built next to Springvale and this place is a little like visiting Vietnam and they have the very best of everything and the pokies and restaurant alone generate millions and its built in the heart of the racing precinct and was built in a very poor area at the time but People love it Both tracks cater for the masses and are based on the same concept and each city track is on the fringe of each city with Freeways running very close to each of them ....
Wentworth park is a dinosaur A PLACE THAT'S IN THE HEART OF THE CITY AND IT ATTRACTS NO ONE AT ALL ....Rip it down build a track at Richmond and the Gardens and go from there . IMO ..
Hey Kev. Not turning this subject into a shouting match bro but there is 1 or 2 points you raise that I disagree with you on. No.1 Shut down small tracks - I take that as being non tab country tracks you suggest. CAN'T DO THAT , cos country tracks are the grass roots of it all m8. Plenty Champs & Superstars kicked off their careers on such tracks. If ya got a fair K9 that don't handle Gardens , Gosford but flies at say Wauchope, Border Park & you shut down these tracks , where do I take it 2 win or be competitive at bro ? I also have a dislike 4 W.P track probably cos I've never had any good K9 2 take there & earn $'s ! Ha Ha Ha... I hate 2 sound like an old broken record long trashed but the closure of H.P back in the late 80's was the nucleaous from which all the rot that we have now originated from breeding 2 racing 2 catering etc etc. Just my opinion m8. Sell off W.P lease early get big bucks then build a purpose built dual track complex big shoe & 2 turn type - that cater 4 plenty of different galloping styles of K9's. Just a dream but what about that $6 million "white elephant" at W.P , great idea that 1 man ! Ha Ha Ha. Vic grading policy got it all over NSW policy so you "Mexicans" shouldn't be complaining 2 loudly , why ALL Wheeler K9's go straight 2 VIC , so got chance 2 win many more races & earn p/money , simple ! Regards m8
Steve you guys in NSW complain about everything possible and the answer is in front of your eyes and all the work has been done and it is a very successful model to follow ..........
Take down half of your tracks and build new state of the art tracks that can handle racing two or three times a week
Do you want the answer ....... Here it is .VICTORIA GREYHOUND TRACKS .....they serve us all so why should a track be losing money and like any business mate you piss off the dead wood and work on a new concept .....very very simple path to follow my K9 friend ..
Build it and they will come .....
Lets face it some of your tracks are like goat tracks that are inconsistent from week to week and the fields you would look twice at on some of those Country tracks and the breakdowns alone costs everyone money big time ...
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Oct 2015 06:17
(0)
(0)
kevin wright wrote:
steve harvey wrote:
kevin wright wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
Track closures will happen have no fears there and this area again should be looked at in Regional Areas that cater for 100klm radius or more. Dubbo 1 Tab C and 1 Tab B meeting along with a D meeting when needed Tamworth Tab C weekly with 1 D meeting when Needed Now the Chestnut Cessnock infrastructure there with plenty of Scope Close Maitland The Gardens and Gosford Make Cessnock Regional with Dual Tracks Richmond becomes our City Track with Straight Built This way we don't lose out
NSW will never prosper with Wentworth park and the rules governing anything you can do with its present position ...
Cut the small tracks back and create the same model we have in Victoria with two tracks that are generating money for both clubs to prosper . Make maybe a duel track city venue at Richmond and to try and get into Wentworth Park is a nightmare and it is logistically out of the area you need to be in ..
Example
The Meadows Built in the slums of Broadmeadows on a old tip site .....and people love it in the area
Its State of the art track but its a bad track for young dogs because its to fast at times and especially this time of the year but thats another story for a future thread
The club derives its money from a joint venture with Sandown and its a proven model to follow regardless of the over fast track surface we are forced to race on .
Sandown Built next to Springvale and this place is a little like visiting Vietnam and they have the very best of everything and the pokies and restaurant alone generate millions and its built in the heart of the racing precinct and was built in a very poor area at the time but People love it Both tracks cater for the masses and are based on the same concept and each city track is on the fringe of each city with Freeways running very close to each of them ....
Wentworth park is a dinosaur A PLACE THAT'S IN THE HEART OF THE CITY AND IT ATTRACTS NO ONE AT ALL ....Rip it down build a track at Richmond and the Gardens and go from there . IMO ..
Hey Kev. Not turning this subject into a shouting match bro but there is 1 or 2 points you raise that I disagree with you on. No.1 Shut down small tracks - I take that as being non tab country tracks you suggest. CAN'T DO THAT , cos country tracks are the grass roots of it all m8. Plenty Champs & Superstars kicked off their careers on such tracks. If ya got a fair K9 that don't handle Gardens , Gosford but flies at say Wauchope, Border Park & you shut down these tracks , where do I take it 2 win or be competitive at bro ? I also have a dislike 4 W.P track probably cos I've never had any good K9 2 take there & earn $'s ! Ha Ha Ha... I hate 2 sound like an old broken record long trashed but the closure of H.P back in the late 80's was the nucleaous from which all the rot that we have now originated from breeding 2 racing 2 catering etc etc. Just my opinion m8. Sell off W.P lease early get big bucks then build a purpose built dual track complex big shoe & 2 turn type - that cater 4 plenty of different galloping styles of K9's. Just a dream but what about that $6 million "white elephant" at W.P , great idea that 1 man ! Ha Ha Ha. Vic grading policy got it all over NSW policy so you "Mexicans" shouldn't be complaining 2 loudly , why ALL Wheeler K9's go straight 2 VIC , so got chance 2 win many more races & earn p/money , simple ! Regards m8
Steve you guys in NSW complain about everything possible and the answer is in front of your eyes and all the work has been done and it is a very successful model to follow ..........
Take down half of your tracks and build new state of the art tracks that can handle racing two or three times a week
Do you want the answer ....... Here it is .VICTORIA GREYHOUND TRACKS .....they serve us all so why should a track be losing money and like any business mate you piss off the dead wood and work on a new concept .....very very simple path to follow my K9 friend ..
Build it and they will come .....
I got nothing against VIC at all as I think your state is at least a decade ahead of NSW M8. When training I rarely complain about what gets dished up 2 my K9's I cop it sweet, bad box's, grading etc etc my ONLY gripe was about the cleanliness of K9 competitors as in the past that left PLENTY 2 be desired in my mind & I not born yesterday bro ! But things seem 2 be getting better policed in that area 2 sweep out the rubbish 4 good but I have no plans 2 train again 4 at least 2yrs m8. Just my circumstances have changed. All the best Kev...
Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
