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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
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Peter Bryce
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John check the amounts of Citrate its all about ratios. Too much of anything is not good.



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Yes, John a scorpion sting is not as bad as a Tiger snake bite lol. I can't see any percentages/ratios.at all.?Even in small amounts Sodium citrate is bad for Greyhounds.




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27 Dec 2023 09:23


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Mark sodium citrate no matter how much causes cramping adrenal gland damage. Only fools would use products containing S C no matter how small amounts.


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Why any one would give there dogs products with(Sodium Citrate ) in it after all the horror stories of dog cramping and having Acidosis . On greyhound data forum Carole & Jack for years pointed out how bad this product is for greyhound ?



Jack Ogilvie
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Spot on Donna for the past 15-odd years there have been horrendous stories of dogs on drips with acidosis all over the world. Both Carole Brown and myself, analysis of blood profiles proved beyond any doubt that sodium citrate was a bad product. All my DNA testing of over 50 dogs x3 times proved that dogs who were on a certain product had dehydration and kidney and adrenal issues.
Warning do not use or trust any products with sodium citrate no matter what the manufacturer says.



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A well known Electrolyte Brand for Greyhounds contains 6.5g per 1kg of Sodium Citrate in the product, 6.5g as percentage of 1kg (1000g) = 0.65%

Whilst a well known product for Horses used by some Greyhound Trainers,
NEUTRADEX is an original, palatable muscle recovery supplement, mild diuretic and urinary buffer for horses. It contains sodium acid citrate to: Help horses prone to 'tying up' and assist with reducing muscle stiffness and soreness. Help delay the onset of muscle fatigue to improve endurance.

Horse Electrolyte is higher in Salt than Greyhounds whilst Greyhound body salt is Potassium based

Sodium Citrate as a dietary supplement can provide health benefits to assist the reduction of inflammation, help digestion, reduce the risk of kidney stones. help to regulate blood pressure, reduce cholesterol levels, improve the absorption of nutrients from food.
All of the above issues that Sodium Citrate can help resolve can be worse by avoiding those issues.

To suggest that ingredients in formulas in micro ratios are detrimental to the wellbeing of the user is misleading.
The body cells carry countless minerals found in the Earth.
Fed by Vitamins grown above the Earth.
Bio Chemistry is simple when understood.
Too much of anything in incorrect proportions is not healthy.
Trainers should show more concern about the levels of Sodium Chloride fed to Greyhounds in Kibbles,1 to 3% as indicated on the bag equates to 2g to 2.5g per cup of Kibble.
Excess Sodium Chloride hardens arteries restricts bloodflow causes Cramping, Stroke and Heart attacks.

Potassium Chloride is the Greyhound Athletes main body salt.

So what happens if the Greyhound has too much Potassium Chloride?

How does potassium chloride affect the heart? If taken in too high ratio, potassium chloride may cause heart palpitations or heart arrhythmia, which can be life threatening. However, having low potassium levels can also affect the heart, increasing the stiffness of the arteries and reducing muscle movements.

There are prescribed amounts for all Minerals.



Jack Ogilvie
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What an absolute crocAs I have said many times only fools would give their dogs Sodium chloride.


Tony Robinson
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what is the best to use



Peter Bryce
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Jack a vast number of Trainers with Greyhounds cramping were supplementing Neutradex, A product for Horses
That product was used by many many Greyhound Trainers to the extent Virbac put a label on it for Greyhounds.
Sodium Acid Citrate is great for Horses
Potassium Citrate is the Diuretic for Greyhounds.
Dr Jim Gannon and Ross Mitchell brought out a product called AKM Alkanalising Kidney Mixture by Action Chemicals.
I was responsible for Rapidvite purchasing the Action Brand several years ago.
Rapidvite / Sykes Vet International sell the product today.
It is not Sodium Citrate that is the issue The issue is using a product with high levels of Sodium Citrate (meant for Horses).
Given that Ice Cream contains Sodium Citrate it will be a brave or silly Trainer who decides to withdraw the Ice Cream treat from winning Greyhounds because it contains Sodium Citrate.




Jack Ogilvie
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There you go again. Some trainers give their dogs 1 soft serve after a win. That is not the issue ,it's the many trainers especially in hot weather after a trial or work in the lanes who were giving products with sodium citrate daily. you still haven't put up any testing you did or more to the point didn't. Doesn't matter if you stuff people's dogs as long as you make a $.Once again people check out the many horror stories on data about dogs cramping, and acidosis.



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Jack the well known product? Neutradex? A DIURETIC Product with 1 Ingredient Sodium Acid Citrate, for Horses NOT Greyhounds.
This product is not an ELECTROLYTE for Horses or Greyhounds.



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Hint it started with a R.



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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Hint it started with a R.

Jack not sure why it has to be a game?
but the Sodium Citrate in Recharge can hardly be called an overdose.

5mil equates to 5gram

5mL of RECHARGE contains:
Sodium 0.14g.
Citrate 0.06g.
Potassium 0.15g.
Magnesium 0.02g.
Chloride 0.22g.
Sulfate 0.06g.
Phosphate 0.09g.
Glucose 1.3g.

The only ingredient over 1 gram of the 5 gram total is Glucose the balance after ingredient total is made up of Water.




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Well Peter search the threads on data about recharge and. See some bad stories about it



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Well Peter search the threads on data about recharge and. See some bad stories about it Aftr all the bad reports the manufacturer changed the way sodium citrate was reported to separate the word sodium citrate into 2 words.Sodium and citrate what.As I have said before in deleted posts .Anone using products with sodium citrate are fools When there are so many good products without sodium citrate.


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no need to use any of that rubbish bottom line is if your doing your job cooling dogs down properly there should be no need to use any of that shit as for cramping you need to find out first whats causing the dog to cramp dogs dont just start cramping for no reason and then theres dogs that get stirred up when you kennel or travel them even if you think there calm there still getting stirred up inside them dogs are very hard to fix may never get 500 for that reason iv tried all the bullshit on the market doesnt work change in diet can help less is better



Peter Bryce
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Well Peter search the threads on data about recharge and. See some bad stories about it Aftr all the bad reports the manufacturer changed the way sodium citrate was reported to separate the word sodium citrate into 2 words.Sodium and citrate what.As I have said before in deleted posts .Anone using products with sodium citrate are fools When there are so many good products without sodium citrate.

The Importance of Sodium in Your Dog's Diet
Found in the blood and in the fluid that surrounds cells, sodium maintains the cellular environment and prevents cells from swelling or dehydrating. Sodium is also important for maintaining proper nerve and muscle cell function.

For greyhounds lactate and citrate act as more effective buffers against acidosis in the muscles and blood than bicarbonates which are found in electrolytes for horses. Bicarbonate when fed to dogs is excreted and increases the amount of potassium that is loss through the kidneys.





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Spot on Andy. These products are bad and have ruined many dogs.



Peter Bryce
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anthony lord wrote:

no need to use any of that rubbish bottom line is if your doing your job cooling dogs down properly there should be no need to use any of that shit as for cramping you need to find out first whats causing the dog to cramp dogs dont just start cramping for no reason and then theres dogs that get stirred up when you kennel or travel them even if you think there calm there still getting stirred up inside them dogs are very hard to fix may never get 500 for that reason iv tried all the bullshit on the market doesnt work change in diet can help less is better

Correct Andy,
The most common cause of issues starts with poor Diet.
Short cut feeding, Kibbles with excess Salt (as preservative).
Kibbles have 25% + Protein then added to excess Meat, Protein is not Energy its role is to build strength and fibre to Muscle.
These high Protein Diets compromise Carbohydrate and Fatty Acids (Omega 3 6 & 9 Oil).
These high Protein Diets cause Kidneys and Liver to work overtime to process causing Dark Yellow heavy thick smelly urine.
Hence the start of the problem, Compromised Filters for Blood (Liver) and Fluids (Kidneys).
To say you dont need Mineral based products to deal with these issues is to bury ones head in the sand.
Kidney Flushes for Canine and Human generally Potassium Citrate, Potassium Acetate, Sodium Acetate, Sodium Citrate in micro ratio.
Methionine as Liver Detox.
Horse Kidney flushes are high in Sodium Citrate and should NEVER be used for Greyhounds.





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And yo're now telling one Australis best every trainer. What to do ROFLMAO.

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