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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
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Chris Priestley
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13 Dec 2010 14:28


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has anyone had a dog with the thumps?

and what did you do to cure it?if you could.

i had a bitch with thumps about a year ago, and i fixed it.

i told the recorder, the greyhound form, and they didnt listen to me or acknowledge me. probably because im only young they thought i was telling stories.

so they can waste millions on research and i spent 2 hours on research and putting 2 and 2 together :)





Jim Turner
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13 Dec 2010 15:29


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Read this Chris:-
CLICK HERE



Grant Thomas
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13 Dec 2010 16:24


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Chris, if you are after any info just type in the search box what your looking for. There is most much info on so many topics, that is why this site is a very good source for anyone wishing to take advantage of all the contributors knowledge...


Mark Glennerster
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13 Dec 2010 17:04


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I think Chris is saying he has found something that works through researching online.


Claire Needham
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13 Dec 2010 19:25


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I have one. Please tell us what you did Chris


Chris Priestley
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it is spasms of the diaphrame(excuse my spelling)brought on by extreme excercise(hence racing). once the spasm has gone, they go into a deep sleep from exhaustion and all energy is lost

it is caused by a thing called hypocalcemia, which is poor levels of calcium in the blood flow.(my bitch developed it after a season).

so i simply googled how to cure hypocalcemia. i found a site that give me a list of all these different calcium items.

the most effective was "calcium glubionate" which we could not find anywhere. the next best was "calcium carbonate" so we went to petbarn and bought a bag of it in powdered form, i forget the price i think it was $15??.

so we put a teaspoon in her breakfast, then same in some milk at lunch and again at dinner. we trialled her 1 week later. the thumps lasted no more then 1 minute and it wasnt even bad at all.

the previous week, after a trial the vet told us to not race her at all.

but then we raced her, and he looked at us strangly and i said to him, she wont do it today i fixed it. and she didnt do it. mind you she was no good what-so-ever. before she had thumps she would run 18.50 at canberra. when she had the thumps she would run 18.70.

first start back all cured, she got beat a nose on the line in 18.21.

so after about a month we took her off it, to see if she can cope without it. but she had a minor thumps and that was it. so we put her back on it again.

so if anyone uses this let me know how you get on.


Carole Brown
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13 Dec 2010 19:57


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Chris, a low calcium level is well known to be one of the primary causes of this condition, but there are a couple of other things which are also involved. The phrenic nerve, and the choice of electrolytes are also involved. When these three things are sorted out, the condition should not recur.


Sue Burley
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13 Dec 2010 20:24


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Is Thumps a new thing because I can honestly say that in my 30 years in greyhounds I have never witnessed it in any of my dogs? In fact I had never even heard of it until reading about it some time ago on this forum.




Carole Brown
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13 Dec 2010 20:32


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We have never had any of ours with it either, Sue, in all the time we have had dogs.


Sue Burley
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13 Dec 2010 20:34


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Do you remember it being around in the old days Carole? If not about when did it emerge?


James Saunders
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13 Dec 2010 20:35


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putting dogs over the distance too quick can also exacerbate the problem but get a blood and check the calcium levels.


Carole Brown
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Sue, I have never known anyone to have had a dog with it until recently. If you want to drop me an email, I can tell you a couple of things.


James Saunders
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well sue barry lazzarini who won his first race in 1947 told me it was not a common thing but he did come across it a few times in all his years in dogs.young chris gets a gold star because the type of calcium you are using and pushing the dog to fast to quick all contribute so its not a new age thing.



Jack Ogilvie
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13 Dec 2010 20:59


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Did see a full blood profile a couple of years ago from a Trainer who had a dog with this problem.. had high potassium levels. the dog also had a high HCT.I dont think if i remember if his calcium levels were high.I remember talking to Carole about this dog, we were both of the view that using a certain electrolyte replacer and the over use of potassium was causing some concern. Recently i had a lot of contact from Trainers who were using a certain calcium from China all had Cramping problems. So beware ...


Robyn Mackellar
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13 Dec 2010 21:09


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POST RACE DISTRESS SYNDROME

Greyhounds Australasia (GA) members in conjunction with the Australian Greyhound Veterinary
Association (AGVA) have been investigating a condition in the racing greyhound which has been labeled
"Post Race Distress Syndrome", commonly referred to in the industry as "thumps".

The AGVA have become increasingly concerned regarding the occurrence of this condition which refers
to a breathing difficulty with the greyhound, and is characterized by a rapid irregular breathing almost
resembling a "hiccup". The affected greyhound will be distressed, stagger, and sometimes collapse with
general body muscle spasms. The heart rate is very rapid and a "jugular pulse" will often be seen in the
neck between the ear and chest on each side. The cause of the condition is not fully understood but
factors such as hot weather, dehydration, dogs racing too often or over distances they are not used to,
and excited prior to racing or trialing are considered potential issues.

AGVA President, Dr Chris Doyle has been investigating this condition for some time and through the
auspices of the AGVA recommended that GA commission research into the condition.

The GA Board did request statistical data on occurrence of this condition from the GA membership base
and it was discovered that "Post Race Distress Syndrome" does exist in all States and Territories, and in
New Zealand.

The AGVA have provided GA with a research proposal in regard to this matter which was proposed to
be undertaken by Murdoch University as part of a PhD for a veterinarian student interested in greyhound
medicine.

The GA Board after considering all of the information before them RESOLVED that it would fund the
research by Murdoch University under the guidance of the AGVA in an attempt to understand what is
causing "Post Race Distress Syndrome" in the greyhound and identify how it can be managed.

The GA Chairman, Mr Russell Ware, stated that:

"As it is now clear that this syndrome is occurring in all GA covered jurisdictions, a national (including
New Zealand) approach is desirable and appropriate."

Dr Chris Doyle, AGVA President, said:

"After several years of investigation it is time that this condition is fully understood so we as practising
veterinarians can manage the condition."

"The decision of GA is to finally find out what is causing this condition and indeed what is physically
going on instead of regarding it as a simple synchronous diaphragmatic spasm."

"Unfortunately in some circles it is being dismissed as a normal greyhound condition and treated as such
routinely at the track."

"In reference to the equine situation, greyhounds have different metabolism to horses and this post race
distress may not necessarily be treated the same as for horses."

"On behalf of the AGVA membership base we thank Greyhounds Australasia for their financial
contribution towards this project."

The project is expected to begin officially in late 2010 and is forecast to take between 12 to 18 months to
finalize.

I spoke to Chris 2 days ago as a newly acquired bitch trialled over 500m no probs, then had a shorts trial and did it, so i rang him straight away. The study was supposed to take place in Perth and now its being done in Vic. There's many theories on its causes. There's a race rug being made with a monitor in it for dogs trialling that have it or have had it. Talking to the former of said bitch she had done it on occasions with them too. She's pulled up a treat and had been racing over more than the 500m. Must admit though shes a super keen and super excited little girl at the track.



Jack Ogilvie
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13 Dec 2010 21:22


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Amazing all this time and money spent..Ross wilson can do a DNA test for $130 this was the same test done on Phar lap. it will show 100% whats happening with this dog. If you dont believe me ask chub,how this test found his wife had a metal plate in her head.This Technology is far different than that in QLD or Ballarat.If ever you cant pin point a problem contact Ross 03 354 8007


Stephen Chambers
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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Amazing all this time and money spent..Ross wilson can do a DNA test for $130 this was the same test done on Phar lap. it will show 100% whats happening with this dog. If you dont believe me ask chub,how this test found his wife had a metal plate in her head.This Technology is far different than that in QLD or Ballarat.If ever you cant pin point a problem contact Ross 03 354 8007

can vouch for that my partner has 2 titanium clips in her head after an operation to remove anourisms (life and death 6 hour surgery)and ross found this out from some hair from penny and posted too him and he wanted to talk to penny about her result cheers chub.


Shane Richer
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28 Sep 2011 06:41


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Craig my name is Shane Richer,i am writing to you on behalf of a friend as to weather or not you could, send any further information you have on curing thumps. Any further information would be gratefully appreciated. My friend Ken is not very good at using his computer at the moment, but does know how to use the email side basically. His email address is [email protected]
Thank you Craig for your time Shane Richer


Carole Brown
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28 Sep 2011 06:46


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Shane, I have some literature on it if you would like me to forward it on.


Shane Richer
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28 Sep 2011 10:48


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I am sure ken would be very grateful for your time ,many thanks

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