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Is this really what we are looking for in our sport ? Yes I did have one in it yes we got beat I don't mind getting beat on a fair playing ground but this s--t gets to me I don't think iam on my own,and before anyone starts to slate the racing manager he can only puts in what he sees he as seen an A7 grader with 6 races under its belt come on really.....
Charlie Borg Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2016 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Jul 2014 06:28
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dean randall wrote:
Is this really what we are looking for in our sport ? Yes I did have one in it yes we got beat I don't mind getting beat on a fair playing ground but this s--t gets to me I don't think iam on my own,and before anyone starts to slate the racing manager he can only puts in what he sees he as seen an A7 grader with 6 races under its belt come on really.....
While i see where you're coming from Dean but to be fair to all concerned this was the first time the dog in question actually managed to get a clear run so the fact he already had six previous runs don't really matter and it was just a one off graded race. Maybe a better example would be the sort of s--t that goes on in stake races ie: there's a big A6 stake in Galway (semi final stage last night) where all six dogs that qualified went under 29 seconds. The sad thing is there's no way of stopping it.
Charlie, looking through the dog in questions card he has been hampered in his last few runs alright, but if you look at his split time he has found serious pace from somewhere , maybe he is maturing and finding his rhythm ,to come down from his last splits to a 127 is a high jump his next run will tell a lot
Is this really what we are looking for in our sport ? Yes I did have one in it yes we got beat I don't mind getting beat on a fair playing ground but this s--t gets to me I don't think iam on my own,and before anyone starts to slate the racing manager he can only puts in what he sees he as seen an A7 grader with 6 races under its belt come on really.....
While i see where you're coming from Dean but to be fair to all concerned this was the first time the dog in question actually managed to get a clear run so the fact he already had six previous runs don't really matter and it was just a one off graded race. Maybe a better example would be the sort of s--t that goes on in stake races ie: there's a big A6 stake in Galway (semi final stage last night) where all six dogs that qualified went under 29 seconds. The sad thing is there's no way of stopping it.
Yes there is a way of stopping it Charlie ,there were stakes run in Enniscorthy called goodbye stakes ,were the conditions were set say an A6 confined stake however if u broke say A3 time that runner was eliminated ,problem solved?why more of these stake are not run in a mystery?
Charlie Borg Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2016 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Jul 2014 08:57
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
Charlie, looking through the dog in questions card he has been hampered in his last few runs alright, but if you look at his split time he has found serious pace from somewhere , maybe he is maturing and finding his rhythm ,to come down from his last splits to a 127 is a high jump his next run will tell a lot
Yeah Dave i see what you mean. Too be honest when i looked i just looked at the comments and saw the dog hasn't had much luck in his previous races.
re: John's post .....i've never come across a stake like that , but what a great idea and would like to say a big WELL DONE to whoever thought it up.. here's hoping that other tracks take their lead (if they haven't already) I've been out of the game for about 10 years now ..........only just getting back into it
I have a quick question to anyone that can help (didn't wanna start separate thread) as you can probably tell i'm new to this forum and haven't / can't figure out how to post a single post on a thread like Dave or John on this thread ?
Just click the reply button instead of the quote button.
Charlie Borg Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2016 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Jul 2014 09:08
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lynda bonner wrote:
Hi Charlie, welcome on board!
Just click the reply button instead of the quote button.
Thanks Lynda could have sworn i tried that first time on my first post (probably not) any ways thanks again for your help last week helping me get my account verified
Annoying as it is the dog that won that race had been clobbered in all its previous races, i would be more inclined to blame the track than the racing manager graded dogs finding time in Limerick is always going to be a problem due to the poor design quality of the track and the amount of dogs that are involved in first bend collisions.
Annoying as it is the dog that won that race had been clobbered in all its previous races, i would be more inclined to blame the track than the racing manager graded dogs finding time in Limerick is always going to be a problem due to the poor design quality of the track and the amount of dogs that are involved in first bend collisions.
obviously a fast dog that on the night everything clicked with it he trapped and got a clear run thats what happens with pups all the time anyone with any experience with dogs knows this
Wayne you are spot on dog got trouble in previous races I would say well done to owner for perservance , Can't see anything sinister in better split would put it down to good work by trainer ensuring dog got away and advoided first bend trouble l
the greyhound industry at the moment ,all we do is sign petitions ,talk about it , but people running graders at the moment,dont get together as a unit to stop anything ,dont forget without the raw material they cant make up races. half the time they say well done shake your hand ,and they cut cut it off if they could . i said it before time and time again the open races look after themselves, we are all in it for the sport but if you have perseverence and get your dog checked and keep running him, maybe your luck will change.
stop talking and signing about it and pull your dog out if you think your not getting justice ,dont forget it costs you the same money to train a grader than an open dog ,some times they grade up and are not good enough you improve in time ,i believe if you win a race you should automatically go up 1 grade at a time.
its very frustrating i know ,but the english seem to have the right idea ,they get paid for running and dont seem to jump grades to often they go up through them
its unfair but what can you do ,your run is down to an a8, the winner gone to a1 he was unlucky in races, the pups race winner had the same sectional as you and hes up to a4 if yo get a good and fair graded race you might improve ,its totallly unfair it happened me before ,but as i said its hard but in the end NO ONE CARES .good luck
So what ever time we have a pup doing 2880 runs and ur in a a7 can we expect a non runner will u ring manager and say this dog is doing 2880 and will win by half the track and i dont want to do that
We all know it happens in competitions look at the one on in Galway and the A4 that is starting Tuesday in Tralee open class will come at the end that I can except but when it happens in a normal graded race where all the dogs have had a few runs it's not on....
MLooking at your race RM has graded the dogs fairly so no bias there all dogs in the race have improved their grade except yours even the 5 dog who got a bit of trouble, the winner now faces big rise in class next time out and will have to do everything correct even to be competitive unlikley to be sold as race was low gradeThe odds on fav is second so no big gamble on winner ! The nature of racing in Ireland is that many dogs improve with racing it can take a good few races to find their level as owners let them run from race to race , your bitch seems to have found her level and will always be likely to come up against improvers especially in Limerick where young dogs are always on the card . I notice the weight of your greyhound has varied 4 pounds over last few races this would need to be stabilised I hope you win a race but it won't be easy. As regArds the stake in Galway most of the entrieis will have consisted of unraced or lightly raced greyhounds as per the conditions anyone who runs know what is needed to be cpetitive . The stake in Tralee will also have improvers as it is the logical step for a young dog to try get a few races together ibefore taking on the big guns .
Charlie Borg Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2016 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Jul 2014 16:34
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gerard duncan wrote:
Looking at your race RM has graded the dogs fairly so no bias there all dogs in the race have improved their grade except yours even the 5 dog who got a bit of trouble, the winner now faces big rise in class next time out and will have to do everything correct even to be competitive unlikley to be sold as race was low gradeThe odds on fav is second so no big gamble on winner ! The nature of racing in Ireland is that many dogs improve with racing it can take a good few races to find their level as owners let them run from race to race , your bitch seems to have found her level and will always be likely to come up against improvers especially in Limerick where young dogs are always on the card . I notice the weight of your greyhound has varied 4 pounds over last few races this would need to be stabilised I hope you win a race but it won't be easy. As regArds the stake in Galway most of the entrieis will have consisted of unraced or lightly raced greyhounds as per the conditions anyone who runs know what is needed to be cpetitive . The stake in Tralee will also have improvers as it is the logical step for a young dog to try get a few races together ibefore taking on the big guns .
I understand everything you said there , my problem is with the system not the racing managers as far as stakes go ..the idea that John Murray brought up earlier should be enforced in all graded stakes IMO open class dogs (even pups) should not be allowed to enter low graded stakes A6 in this case .
edit:sorry let me correct my wording there .........they can enter but not allowed to win the stake
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