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I heard today Dapto is looking at puting in a 400m start. If its true I hope they make it so the angle of the run into the turn is as straight as possible.
That would just be another disaster IMHO. Isn't there enough carnage at that track?
If it is true, it is a further waste of industry funds and a step in the wrong direction for the industry up here to bow to this kind of pressure
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 20 Sep 2014 10:01
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Actually if they did it right and remodeled the track it would be a great addition for the track being bale to accommodate 297, 400, 520, 600 on a regular basis and adding a 729 to the program every few weeks would be a good thing as well.
if they got rid of the goat track called nowra and focused on bulli and dapto as the illawarra's premier tracks and upped the prizemoeny at both, it would be another step in the right direction.
Sandro, From what Im hearing, the Dapto Club is in a very good financial position from the land they lease to McDonalds ect and would be financing it on their own. As a owner I personally don't like corner starts but unfortunatly with the amount of short course dogs bred they are needed. Dapto is also struggling to get enough nominations to fill a program, so suppose that could be why they want them. If they positioned the boxes so there was minimal turn at the start it could be ok, but they need to consult some experienced trainers.
But on the Dapto side of things, I suppose I just don't want to see another 400m bend start as they are in general, very unfair starts for most of the field.
They really are a blight on our sport in this State
I'm trying to think of where the 400m starting boxes would be given the track shape,and all I can come up with is a bend start at the first corner of the 520 races
They have been extending the nominations a lot not a bad idea in my opinion
That's because the prizemoney is shit & dogs are going to Victoria, WA, Anywhere but NSW. Now they will be going to Qld as well. It's got nothing to do with no 400m starts at Dapto
Oh, & these masters races have helped the extension of noms too if you've noticed
I did not say the only reason dapto is not getting nominations is cause there is no. 400s we all know costs are to high and prizemoney on tab b is not good enough but you would have to think a 400 at dapto would help for nominations at the moment
Actually if they did it right and remodeled the track it would be a great addition for the track being bale to accommodate 297, 400, 520, 600 on a regular basis and adding a 729 to the program every few weeks would be a good thing as well.
if they got rid of the goat track called nowra and focused on bulli and dapto as the illawarra's premier tracks and upped the prizemoeny at both, it would be another step in the right direction.
Goat track compared to what in your expert opinion?
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 20 Sep 2014 12:35
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I'll bet IF they went in...there would be noms to cover EVERY 400 start there...
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 20 Sep 2014 21:21
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Craig Andrews wrote:
What's wrong with Nowra? It's a great track.
It's a good track for the locals I'm sure, but really why would anyone travel there to race apart from having another set of grades to fill.
I have been there and compared to dapto and bulli it's way behind. As I said better of closing it and go spending extra money on dapto remodeling and redesigning the track there and having 2 premier tracks in the illawarra and increase prize money.
Then add your 400 meter race.
I agree dapto is very tight into first bend and a hold your breath bend hence remodeling and taking track out into the road beside the track like it was intended.
Nowra has been the play ground for many of Australia's best race dogs over the years and without the facilities it offers the Australia racing industry would be at a loss. I could list many of Australia's best that begun their training at the track and went on to Group fame.
Yes, the facilities aren't as modern as Bulli or Dapto, but the racing track is a safe, well designed surface, that offers racing from 365-720m. Each starting location is well located to ensure low levels of interference and fairness to all racing and the people at the heart of the track are all extremely passionate about dogs.
If you want 400m racing go to Bulli, but for me, the real challenge is breeding 520m plus race dogs that are competitive in the city. The addition of another 400m offering will only drive NSW racing and breeding further toward the sprinting 'squib' and that is really saddening.
To me there's nothing better than racing over 520m's and beyond, and Nowra is perhaps one of the countries best tracks for providing the facility for trainers to build up there dog in search of that elusive city win and group glory.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 20 Sep 2014 23:45
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Craig Andrews wrote:
Sean, we'll have to agree to disagree again.
Nowra has been the play ground for many of Australia's best race dogs over the years and without the facilities it offers the Australia racing industry would be at a loss. I could list many of Australia's best that begun their training at the track and went on to Group fame.
Yes, the facilities aren't as modern as Bulli or Dapto, but the racing track is a safe, well designed surface, that offers racing from 365-720m. Each starting location is well located to ensure low levels of interference and fairness to all racing and the people at the heart of the track are all extremely passionate about dogs.
If you want 400m racing go to Bulli, but for me, the real challenge is breeding 520m plus race dogs that are competitive in the city. The addition of another 400m offering will only drive NSW racing and breeding further toward the sprinting 'squib' and that is really saddening.
To me there's nothing better than racing over 520m's and beyond, and Nowra is perhaps one of the countries best tracks for providing the facility for trainers to build up there dog in search of that elusive city win and group glory.
Craig that's okay, its the beauty of differing opinions. Yes very true there has been many a group greyhound been from a local product.
anyway its probably getting a bit off subject.
really if they are going to put in a 400 meter start I think they should remodel the whole track and do it right! The more 400 meter racing the better in the region.
really 297 meters is a trial distance and they should maybe look at running a non-tab meeting once a week as well, where people can go over 297 in say 8 races.
be interesting as to what is decided?
I agree with glenn my list of locations to send any good dogs I get would be Melbourne, Qld, Nsw, WA, Tas, SA. NSW have to address more than start distances.
but isn't this a club decision to put a 400 meter start at dapto?
If they offer 400m racing then the allocation to 500,600 and 700 racing will drop, leading to more squibs and inevitably dogs that won't ever get to the city. We should all be aiming to breed city class animals, and not be satisfied with spending money on track developments that suit the breeding of sprint stock.
Would love to hear your thoughts on why 400m racing is preferable to 520m plus races.
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