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Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 02 Dec 2014 05:17
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steven spoljaric wrote:
I came all the way from melbourne with the intension to spend 20k on about 5 greys but I can tell you as a purchaser it was a complete waste of time.i will never go again better for me to stay home and look at the classified on this website. In the last 100 lots I bid on about 25 and couldn't even spend 3k.i would say over 90% were buy back if not all. I suppose its ok for the locals but it is a complete waste of time for people who are just there to buy.
I even won a bid at the end but they re opened because the owner missed her chance to bid.where I come from the hammer drops deal done. People may think its dodgey to .
Fall of Hammer = SOLD...NO comeback FROM ANYONE...What's it say in...Terms and Conditions...???
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 02 Dec 2014 05:49
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steven spoljaric wrote:
I even won a bid at the end but they re opened because the owner missed her chance to bid.where I come from the hammer drops deal done. People may think its dodgey to .
Yeah that sounds pretty ordinary...what was the end result?? Did you still buy the pup?
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 02 Dec 2014 06:45
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FWIW - IMO
Would the solution not be to have those who "buy back" pay a higher commission (say x2 or x1.5) in order to deter (but not prohibit).
If you did this & combined with a rule that then restricts participation for those whom are found to "work around" the rule then the matter would be resolved (IMO).
Andrew Varasdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 1287 Dogs 2 / Races 11 02 Dec 2014 07:00
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rubbish - should never happen.
glenn hatton wrote:
steven spoljaric wrote:
I even won a bid at the end but they re opened because the owner missed her chance to bid.where I come from the hammer drops deal done. People may think its dodgey to .
Yeah that sounds pretty ordinary...what was the end result?? Did you still buy the pup?
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 02 Dec 2014 07:22
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I don't really have a problem with buy backs , but they should have the same rules applied to them , as there is to the genuine purchaser , you settle on the day , but not for the commission. But the actual amount. Example the 30 gran pup , you pay 30 gran as if it was a genuine sale , not 3 gran.commision, On the day. Then when it's settlement day you get paid just like those who are genuine , is there any other type of auction where you can buy 30 grans worth of product and only pay 3 gran. Also the auction results (total figures) reflect that 30 gran was paid. When in fact 3 gran was paid. Giving overall very distorted figures. Sometimes known as creative accounting ,, the figures I used are just examples. So let the buy back guy produce the $$$$$ like all purchasers lol
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Dec 2014 07:49
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michael barry wrote:
I don't really have a problem with buy backs , but they should have the same rules applied to them , as there is to the genuine purchaser , you settle on the day , but not for the commission. But the actual amount. Example the 30 gran pup , you pay 30 gran as if it was a genuine sale , not 3 gran.commision, On the day. Then when it's settlement day you get paid just like those who are genuine , is there any other type of auction where you can buy 30 grans worth of product and only pay 3 gran. Also the auction results (total figures) reflect that 30 gran was paid. When in fact 3 gran was paid. Giving overall very distorted figures. Sometimes known as creative accounting ,, the figures I used are just examples. So let the buy back guy produce the $$$$$ like all purchasers lol
Another bad idea on this thread.
I wouldnt have had the cash to pay the club to pay me for my dog on Sunday. He simply wouldnt have gone to the auction.
Steven Spoljaric Australia (Verified User) Posts 16 Dogs 3 / Races 0 02 Dec 2014 08:49
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No I didn't buy because I was shocked but in hind sight I should off kept bidding till I won and then say sorry didnt mean to bid just like the buy back didnt mean not to bid.
I was driving back the next day and was bashing my trainers ears with what happened totally rubbish and still can't believe it.not a good way to start your first auction richmond.
Steven Spoljaric Australia (Verified User) Posts 16 Dogs 3 / Races 0 02 Dec 2014 08:50
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I think its says the auctioneer can play god.what ever he says is final
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 02 Dec 2014 09:06
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Robert Morris wrote:
michael barry wrote:
I don't really have a problem with buy backs , but they should have the same rules applied to them , as there is to the genuine purchaser , you settle on the day , but not for the commission. But the actual amount. Example the 30 gran pup , you pay 30 gran as if it was a genuine sale , not 3 gran.commision, On the day. Then when it's settlement day you get paid just like those who are genuine , is there any other type of auction where you can buy 30 grans worth of product and only pay 3 gran. Also the auction results (total figures) reflect that 30 gran was paid. When in fact 3 gran was paid. Giving overall very distorted figures. Sometimes known as creative accounting ,, the figures I used are just examples. So let the buy back guy produce the $$$$$ like all purchasers lol
Another bad idea on this thread.
I wouldnt have had the cash to pay the club to pay me for my dog on Sunday. He simply wouldnt have gone to the auction.
if it wasnt for genuine sale , and you didnt have the money to back it back , then it should have stayed at home ,,
whats needed in australia , is a genuine auction , probably will never happen
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Dec 2014 09:32
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michael barry wrote:
Robert Morris wrote:
michael barry wrote:
I don't really have a problem with buy backs , but they should have the same rules applied to them , as there is to the genuine purchaser , you settle on the day , but not for the commission. But the actual amount. Example the 30 gran pup , you pay 30 gran as if it was a genuine sale , not 3 gran.commision, On the day. Then when it's settlement day you get paid just like those who are genuine , is there any other type of auction where you can buy 30 grans worth of product and only pay 3 gran. Also the auction results (total figures) reflect that 30 gran was paid. When in fact 3 gran was paid. Giving overall very distorted figures. Sometimes known as creative accounting ,, the figures I used are just examples. So let the buy back guy produce the $$$$$ like all purchasers lol
Another bad idea on this thread.
I wouldnt have had the cash to pay the club to pay me for my dog on Sunday. He simply wouldnt have gone to the auction.
if it wasnt for genuine sale , and you didnt have the money to back it back , then it should have stayed at home ,,
whats needed in australia , is a genuine auction , probably will never happen
The dog was for genuine sale but didnt reach the price I required.
Perhaps a reserve price might work but requiring an owner to fork out cash to pay for their own dog is silly.
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Dec 2014 09:46
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Also your idea wouldn't impact the high profile breeders that have plenty of money behind them. Their pups even get plugged before the auction on Sky 2 even though they had no intention of selling any of them.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 02 Dec 2014 10:27
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Robert Morris wrote:
Also your idea wouldn't impact the high profile breeders that have plenty of money behind them. Their pups even get plugged before the auction on Sky 2 even though they had no intention of selling any of them.
robert just an idea ,, dont start me on profiles,/ breeders and commentary
i wasnt at richmond , but i have been to dapto for twelve years,
the introduction , from pd for jo blo is a disgrace ,,
come the who should bee's and he cant shut his TRAP
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 02 Dec 2014 19:41
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To people from victoria please keep in mind that richmond twenty years ago was a rural town and even though its 40 mins from parramatta you would never know and the greyhound community run that track and make no mistake that auction as well wayne billet might think he is in control out there but rub a few locals up the wrong way and he will be out.Go there trial morning an hour before it starts and your name will be near the bottom of the board even though the place is empty.lol Only track in new south two prominent trainers go toe to toe in front of the grandstand but no enquiry or penalty .I got 12 month good behaviour and a fine for slipping a pup(slipping track) at gosford on race day even though there was hardly a car there and they hadnt opened the kennel block,richmond are a rule to themselves so dont expect to go to an auction there from interstate and get the rub of the green.
Chris Ashworth Australia (Verified User) Posts 162 Dogs 23 / Races 0 02 Dec 2014 22:12
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Speaking of buy-backs .I had 2 pups for sale and they were for genuine sale "at the right price".They are eleven months old and nicely bred and I went to Richmond with high hopes. I had put a personal reserve on them at $4000 as that would give me a small profit on what they had cost me up till now as I don't rear them myself. Neither of them reached even close to what I thought they were worth so I bought them back. I spoke to a number of people there and they said the same thing . The more popular lots were sold at inflated prices IMO (and I was informed most of them were buy-backs anyway)and it appears no-one was too interested in the slightly lesser lots. Apart from that I must congratulate Richmond on the way the day was run dispite the fact it was oppressively hot and uncomfortable for man and dog. I also agree that there were too many lots for sale and I felt by about lot 300 they were trying to sell the pups as quickly as possible as the bids were very low on most of the late lots.Good luck to all the buyers in the series in 2016
Vince Cassar Australia (Verified User) Posts 413 Dogs 10 / Races 3 02 Dec 2014 22:21
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Unwanted by owner after break in , now that's an auction i would attend !
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 02 Dec 2014 22:50
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vince cassar wrote:
Unwanted by owner after break in , now that's an auction i would attend !
i am with u vince
Scott Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1948 Dogs 4 / Races 0 02 Dec 2014 22:51
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Chris, shouldn't they simply have a Reserve on them? No, because the club gets nothing out of them in that case.
Chris Ashworth Australia (Verified User) Posts 162 Dogs 23 / Races 0 03 Dec 2014 05:20
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Hi Scott The minimum bid was $1000 and a few didn't sell for much more than that. Breeders have a fair idea of what their pups are worth but I think most people went there with the intention of inflating the price to prevent the genuine buyers from getting their hands on a reasonably bred pup. But that's the way auctions go when there is good prizemoney at he end I suppose
Michael Eberand Australia (Verified User) Posts 845 Dogs 3 / Races 0 03 Dec 2014 06:34
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EXTERNAL LINK Bids on later lots look reasonable to me ..
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 03 Dec 2014 08:19
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some big money pay for some, people say greyhound is dying in nsw, doesnt seem to me it is. it getting stronger.
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