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Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 21 Apr 2018 22:40
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You beauty. At last some respite from our glut of black dogs. Look forward to a comeback of parti-colours the way it used to be.
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Apr 2018 04:56
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John Staines wrote:
champion race dog now a proven champion stud dog.I said it when he went to stud he will be the next brett lee or he would be better than brett lee in my opinion he is better than the old champion.champion race dog the best I have seen now a proven champion stud dog.
Hi John , Fernando Bale is a legendary race dog & very good Stud dog (I've got nothing against Fernando) but his Group / Group consolation winning progeny over the past few nights have something in common with his Group winners at Wentworth Park a couple of months ago which is all of those Top dogs are out of top class race / broodbitches & he's enjoying the easiest ride to the top of the Stud ranks due to serving the best bitches in Australia which Brett Lee didn't get early in his Stud career yet still produced numerous Group class dogs & Stud dogs out of both ordinary & Group bitches which Fernando has only produced Top race dogs with Group class bitches only & he's still got a long way to go to reach The Legendary Brett Lee or Bombastic Shiraz in terms of Stud ranks , if Banjo Boy , Keybow , Glen Gallon or Hostile etc served a quarter of the Group class bitches that Fernando served they would've been producing just as good if not better results IMO
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 22 Apr 2018 06:23
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Don't really see why people need to compare Champions from different era's ???
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 22 Apr 2018 07:50
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Branko Lezaja wrote:
he's enjoying the easiest ride to the top of the Stud ranks due to serving the best bitches in Australia which Brett Lee didn't get early in his Stud career
MASSIVE STATEMENT Branko.
Are you sure your figures are right? Or are you simply having a stab in the dark?
Rod Strachan Australia (Verified User) Posts 3610 Dogs 46 / Races 16 22 Apr 2018 07:54
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steven martin wrote:
Branko Lezaja wrote:
he's enjoying the easiest ride to the top of the Stud ranks due to serving the best bitches in Australia which Brett Lee didn't get early in his Stud career
MASSIVE STATEMENT Branko.
Are you sure your figures are right? Or are you simply having a stab in the dark?
Steve he is the same bloke whinging about box draws every week...Wouldn't pay much attention to those sorts of attention seekers lol
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Apr 2018 08:29
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Rod Strachan wrote:
steven martin wrote:
Branko Lezaja wrote:
he's enjoying the easiest ride to the top of the Stud ranks due to serving the best bitches in Australia which Brett Lee didn't get early in his Stud career
MASSIVE STATEMENT Branko.
Are you sure your figures are right? Or are you simply having a stab in the dark?
Steve he is the same bloke whinging about box draws every week...Wouldn't pay much attention to those sorts of attention seekers lol
All I did was admit the truth & Rod there was no need to bring up ancient history LOL , wouldn't you have complained about boxdraws if it took 4 years for any of your dogs to get box 1 ? , Barcia Bale is the only Wheeler bred current sire that is worthy & closest to reaching Brett Lee's Stud heights IMO & time will tell & like I said before I have nothing against Fernando Bale & hope he continues to succeed at stud.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 22 Apr 2018 09:22
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You haven't answered my question Branko!
steven martin wrote:
MASSIVE STATEMENT Branko.
Are you sure your figures are right? Or are you simply having a stab in the dark?
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Apr 2018 09:36
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steven martin wrote:
You haven't answered my question Branko!
steven martin wrote:
MASSIVE STATEMENT Branko.
Are you sure your figures are right? Or are you simply having a stab in the dark?
What figures ? , My statement is going off what I've heard from several people that put non group bitches to Fernando & got lemons , Compare how many Group bitches Fernando Bale has served & how many Stud dogs (non Wheeler bred) like Keybow , Glen Gallon , Shoulders etc served & the figures speaks for itself & go through the list of all the bitches Fernando Bale has served & you'll see that 85% are Top bitches (Group class) Wheeler & non Wheeler bred.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 22 Apr 2018 09:52
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I have to agree with branko. I was a huge Fernando bale fan not that long ago, but the more you talk to people and watch all of his progeny and not just his good pups the more a few chinks are starting to show in his armour. Don't get me wrong he's been good, but there are some sires I think could be just as good if not better given the chance.
he's enjoying the easiest ride to the top of the Stud ranks due to serving the best bitches in Australia which Brett Lee didn't get early in his Stud career
MASSIVE STATEMENT Branko.
Are you sure your figures are right? Or are you simply having a stab in the dark?
Check the top 20 broods list for this year yourself
It's clearly not a stab in the dark And does it warrant another price rise to $7000 I think not I've said it before , you are watching a one sided show at present of the best in the business week in week out From rearing to track ! He's earnt his cream , but it doesn't mean you have to be blind to the whole show and what's happening.... please
John Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 3490 Dogs 945 / Races 0 22 Apr 2018 10:16
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there is a lot of group bitchs that went to stud and produced lemons and there where bitchs that were unraced or didn't win city races and produced group dogs i have bred a few group dogs from bitchs like that so what are you talking about do your home work.
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 22 Apr 2018 11:44
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John Staines wrote:
there is a lot of group bitchs that went to stud and produced lemons and there where bitchs that were unraced or didn't win city races and produced group dogs i have bred a few group dogs from bitchs like that so what are you talking about do your home work.
LMAO John, most Group bitches are good producers not duds in the breeding barn & one of the best ever broodies that's unraced is Goggo Sutro , like Matt & Nathan said the proof is in plain sight that Fernando served the cream of the crop broodies & all of his Group winners to date are out of Group bitches,difference between Fernando & Brett Lee is that Brett Lee produced talented dogs with both ordinary & Group class bitches & Fernando hasn't as yet , isn't it funny how an ordinary bitch that went to Banjo Boy had every pup in the litter win races but when that same bitch went to Fernando ended up producing all lemons & it's a bit rich for anyone to compare Fernando Bale to the Immortal Brett Lee in terms of Stud ranks & personally I think Fernando is overpriced & will not be using him.
When Brett Lee went to stud as the most expensive stud dog of all time in Ireland people argued that he was only successful because only the top bitches went to him. He also produced lemons to some of them. That's just how breeding goes. Became the best sire of all time.
John Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 3490 Dogs 945 / Races 0 22 Apr 2018 12:16
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every one has the right to an opinion like you and me but who is right and who is wrong we shall see in the future.i have been wrong plenty of times but in this case I think I will be right only time will tell.good luck with your breeding I hope you get plenty of winners in this game we need people to breed to keep this industry going.but I will be using Fernando bale and a nother couple of dogs as much as I can.
We've used him here John to a Brett Lee bitch. I try to follow the Aussie scene and Fernando looks an outstanding sire. Will take a lot to match BL mind. FBs played his part in making those top 20 broods. Some are maiden breeders. Searle Bale produced nothing of note to SH avatar and her FBs are outstanding. Doesn't mean Sh avatar is a bad sire. Breeding is never an exact science.
We've used him here John to a Brett Lee bitch. I try to follow the Aussie scene and Fernando looks an outstanding sire. Will take a lot to match BL mind. FBs played his part in making those top 20 broods. Some are maiden breeders. Searle Bale produced nothing of note to SH avatar and her FBs are outstanding. Doesn't mean Sh avatar is a bad sire. Breeding is never an exact science.
I will never compare one sire to another , in relation to one being better then the other,they all offer different pluses and negatives I am only stating what is a success on the track at present is from 500mtr min to 700 mtr grp racing bitches (maiden broods) look at their race pedigree! I have given you a page of broods that shows this, if you still disagree then that's your choice .Searle bales maiden litter (Sh Avatar)has amassed $70k I wish all my litters of nothing to note produce this ....???Missing the point ! She was a 600 city bitch grp quality ! Good luck Fernando breeders , it's good for our industry, cannot deny this !
Info must be missing on this site Nathan re the Sh avatar litter. Still the Fernando's are far superior,on target to break the million mark at this rate. No doubt he's mated fast bitches but breeding fast bitches alone is no guarantee even though it does increase chances. The great Brett Lee produced dud litters here to group bitches and proven bitches. It happens but using a great sire increases your chances. Its a gamble no matter what way you go.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 22 Apr 2018 20:06
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Branko Lezaja wrote:
What figures ? , My statement is going off what I've heard from several people
Need I say no more.
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 22 Apr 2018 20:30
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Branko Lezaja wrote:
steven martin wrote:
You haven't answered my question Branko!
steven martin wrote:
MASSIVE STATEMENT Branko.
Are you sure your figures are right? Or are you simply having a stab in the dark?
What figures ? , My statement is going off what I've heard from several people that put non group bitches to Fernando & got lemons , Compare how many Group bitches Fernando Bale has served & how many Stud dogs (non Wheeler bred) like Keybow , Glen Gallon , Shoulders etc served & the figures speaks for itself & go through the list of all the bitches Fernando Bale has served & you'll see that 85% are Top bitches (Group class) Wheeler & non Wheeler bred.
Hi Branko,
Nowadays "hearsay" means very little as the information available to a prospective buyer/breeder can be sourced from various places. These will be factual rather than people's opinions. Figures and stats don't lie. The GRV site is probably the best to get information from. Although it's a long winded exercise, you can check all registered pups from all sires in regards to performance on the track. A very handy tool.
he's enjoying the easiest ride to the top of the Stud ranks due to serving the best bitches in Australia which Brett Lee didn't get early in his Stud career
I'm not commenting on the merits of the sires in question but the statement I have quoted above is false. Perhaps you should go and actually look at the merits of the first 20-30 bitches Brett Lee served also. He too (and may I say deservedly) got to serve some outstanding types at the start of his career.
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