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Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 02 Mar 2015 09:05
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Paul Wheeler wrote:
PAW,
Does this mean you are in favour of FOL introduction Aust wide ....................................................
You bet I am .........Yes Yes Yes
ASAP
Paw
Thanks Paul. Hope someone of your stature can help influence this.
Am really struggling to see the arguments against FOL.
Graeme Beasley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3265 Dogs 27 / Races 5 02 Mar 2015 09:46
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Robert Morris wrote:
Just a thought for those against the FOL for breeding reasons. Perhaps the current lure system combined with live baiting is causing more damage to the breed. How many stud dogs that have been used in last decade were not natural chasers and were only able to achieve their potential through live baiting.
What's that got to do with the lure system? Of course live baiting has hidden certain traits in non-chasers, same as drugs do and same as the FOL will do. The lure has nothing to do with it because, as we're all having drummed into us, the FOL makes some dogs (some nonnies, not all) chase harder, it doesn't make hard chasing dogs chase harder.
I must admit I got a laugh from Sandro's comment that they're not nonnies, they're dogs with tickets.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 02 Mar 2015 09:55
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Graeme Beasley wrote:
Robert Morris wrote:
Just a thought for those against the FOL for breeding reasons. Perhaps the current lure system combined with live baiting is causing more damage to the breed. How many stud dogs that have been used in last decade were not natural chasers and were only able to achieve their potential through live baiting.
What's that got to do with the lure system? Of course live baiting has hidden certain traits in non-chasers, same as drugs do and same as the FOL will do. The lure has nothing to do with it because, as we're all having drummed into us, the FOL makes some dogs (some nonnies, not all) chase harder, it doesn't make hard chasing dogs chase harder.
I must admit I got a laugh from Sandro's comment that they're not nonnies, they're dogs with tickets.
The FOL gives EVERY dog a reward for their effort,not a gate put in their path to STOP them chasing and maybe a mauling in the pen.
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 02 Mar 2015 10:04
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Could someone explain what exactly a 'follow on lure' is and how it differs from the current lure used in most Australian tracks please?
Jamie Osborn Australia (Verified User) Posts 89 Dogs 1 / Races 0 02 Mar 2015 12:44
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all it is they let the dogs catch the lure if you watch a new Zealand race you will be able to see it
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 02 Mar 2015 12:47
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Thanks Jamie. So instead of the lure disappearing the dogs get to see it stop. Since they are muzzled I'm assuming they just stand by the lure until caught?
Just found this which explains all. The slow motion at the end of the race gives us a closer look at the lure.
Jamie Osborn Australia (Verified User) Posts 89 Dogs 1 / Races 0 02 Mar 2015 12:52
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Lynda they let let them run without the muzzle so they can bite it when they catch it
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 02 Mar 2015 12:57
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jamie osborn wrote:
Lynda they let let them run without the muzzle so they can bite it when they catch it
That's an arm trial. FOL races are still muzzled.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 04 Mar 2015 04:13
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In Qld we currently have a systems review into the regulation of the Qld Greyhound Racing Industry,this review is tasked with investigating the regulation of the Qld greyhound industry and making recommendations to strengthen and improve integrity and public confidence in the Qld greyhound racing industry.Submissions are called for and must relate to a policy,process,SYSTEM,action,decision or other matter of the Qld greyhound racing industry,detail the matter and how it effects the integrity of,or the public confidence in greyhound racing. Submissions to be made in writing with contact details of submitter in case extra information is needed also anonymous submissions will also be considered. Submissions close on the 18th March,either emailed to- EXTERNAL LINK or mailed to-review into regulation of the Qld greyhound Racing Industry P.O.Box15187 City East QLD 4002
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 04 Mar 2015 09:51
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Any of you interstate owners and trainers who have raced on the FOL in Qld or S.A should submit your opinion and reason why the FOL is a greyhound welfare saviour.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 04 Mar 2015 21:43
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kev galloway wrote:
Any of you interstate owners and trainers who have raced on the FOL in Qld or S.A should submit your opinion and reason why the FOL is a greyhound welfare saviour.
Queenslanders already know that the FOL would be saving the racing lives of 3 out of every 4 greyhounds currently being suspended,but Racing Qld refuse to get their head out of the sand.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 04 Mar 2015 22:49
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what are they going to use for a lure Kev a piece of rag maybe a plastic bag because any animal skin might be just out of the question so I'm hearing
Robyn Mackellar Australia (Verified User) Posts 870 Dogs 41 / Races 138 04 Mar 2015 23:04
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We did Kev! Still took it away... Again we campaign for its return.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 04 Mar 2015 23:29
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John McAlister wrote:
what are they going to use for a lure Kev a piece of rag maybe a plastic bag because any animal skin might be just out of the question so I'm hearing
the Brisbane club an onion bag Im told.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 07 Mar 2015 00:24
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kev galloway wrote:
kev galloway wrote:
Any of you interstate owners and trainers who have raced on the FOL in Qld or S.A should submit your opinion and reason why the FOL is a greyhound welfare saviour.
Queenslanders already know that the FOL would be saving the racing lives of 3 out of every 4 greyhounds currently being suspended,but Racing Qld refuse to get their head out of the sand.
All Racing Qld are doing is making sure the animal liberation movement continue to lambaste the greyhound code while the greyhound board are as useful as tits on a bull.
Bill Warner Australia (Verified User) Posts 320 Dogs 20 / Races 384 07 Mar 2015 02:29
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To all Queensland industry participants.
Please delay signing and returning the recently distributed Stat. Dec. issued by Racing Queensland. It doesn't have to be returned until 19th March 2015 at the latest and the UQGA is seeking legal advice on this subject on behalf of all Queensland industry participants.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 07 Mar 2015 03:12
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all tuesday trails at ballarat they finish on the arm, i can not see the different between trail and races, no dogs got hurt in nz on the first two races that i saw.
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Mar 2015 20:30
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are akubra hats (they are made from rabbit hide) banned from the race track?
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Mar 2015 22:08
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In my opinion only the minority of trainers (mainly the one's big on baiting) are against the FOL because they know their dog/s are going to run through a brick wall and therefore is a possibility of injury running onto/into the lure. The difference between using a squeaker & live baiting is that with the squeaker the greyhounds see it as a game as such,but if they are blooded they are "serious".
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Mar 2015 22:39
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Another thing the 'controlling' "bodies" need to come down hard on is the use of anti-inflam's & therefore pain killers. And then you can mark my words, you will see a lot more of the honest trainers winning more of the races. Including over the top group 1 $$$ such as the Australian Cup etc, considering the poultry amount spent on "so called" animal welfare. And to top this all off, the powers are getting paid good $$$ to 'oversee' the industry. You know what is/isn't going on when the CEO of Greyhounds Australasia's answer to the reporters question about more stringent property inspections was something along the lines of there are "a lot" of properties way out in the countryside & only a certain amount of stewards to do so.
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