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Zak Brcic Australia (Verified User) Posts 834 Dogs 8 / Races 5 28 Mar 2015 05:43
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Twenty years ago the Live Baiting would not have garnered as much attention as it has today. A similar incidence in 20 years from now however could be a firestorm if steps are not taken.
The Demographic is constantly changing, The future Voters of our leaders & Participants we hope to bring into the Sport, are growing up with information at their finger tips. They are growing up with only seeing the negative aspect of the sport as it is constantly being push by the ANTIs and bad media.
You can have all the welfare changes in the world, simple fact is while animal racing is available we will be at war.
Historically racing has and continues to be defensive / reactive.
The ANTIS/Greens are actively waging a long term War for the Hearts and Minds of the populace. The industry, can no longer afford to continue as it has. "She'll be right mate" Is not good enough, we can not afford to be complacent.
The current fiasco and batten down the hatches mentality of the governing bodies has showed change of Attitude is well over due.
The lack of a National coordinated VOICE in my opinion has done as much damage as the 4C program.
Time to get PROACTIVE!
We should have one organization which is either integrated into GA or however legally it can be done. With the sole mandate of advancing & protecting the sport at a national level. Be it keeping the Media honest with any and all means. Along with Educating the general public on the BREED and All the good the Industry does for the community.
If the main media are not interested then get a Greyhound segment going on the likes of Channel 31 or TVS and get it into peoples homes.
Give the Organization some Balls and Teeth with funding from the Industry....
If the following is accurate
"Why were greyhounds removed from the Girls On Track promotion?
Answer.
The other two codes are not involved. (in scandal) A very vocal interjector yelled out loudly, What about cobalt. Another interjector yelled out loudly, What about the whip, so interjectors en mass drowned out the speaker. When he was audible again, Darren Condon stated, Cobalt certainly doesnt have the same level of (the interjections continued). If you allow me to finish. Cobalt does not have the same level of community angst. If you walk out into the community, people are more against, far, far, far more against, Id say 2000 to 1, against live baiting as compared to cobalt"
GA or whatever organization should be down RQ throat asking WHY they have moved beyond there brief in promoting the Sport. Apart from the obvious hypocritical aspects Gallops would and should not stop a promotion because of public angst. Neither should Greys Qld.
Only an Ex Digger I'll leave it to the more knowledgeable out there to see if this is doable
Zak
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 987 Dogs 16 / Races 44 28 Mar 2015 06:08
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Zak you are a hundred percent right. By banning us from promotions (Girls on Tracks) plus caling off the 2014 awards night to me shows complete lack of support by Racing Queensland to the Greyhound people in general. I believe the new minister will see that neither Government has been successful in running Queensland Racing under the current set up and will restructure simular to Victoria.
Elsie Bayliss Australia (Verified User) Posts 430 Dogs 10 / Races 0 28 Mar 2015 06:11
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Hello ZAC,
You make a lot of sense. Can we suggest we need a positive FRONT Man who can run with great ideas.
Folks like yourself have ideas. Others have the skill set & the means to make them come alive.
NOW , How do we marry those ideas people with the skilful set. Bring them together, And yes this industry CAN come back.
What puzzles us , IS why are the current LEADERS hell bent on giving in to the antis. ?
Anti`s are great at telling us what is wrong ( in their view !!).
Lousy at suggesting a way of fixing it.
We need a ROYAL Commission to find out WHY our leaders are ALLOWING the level of Damage to occur. Only when in the witness box will DARREN CONDON come up with a truthful answer to the one you highlighted.
I welcome ideas...Elsie...
Zak Brcic Australia (Verified User) Posts 834 Dogs 8 / Races 5 29 Mar 2015 22:45
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The industry focus is too narrow!
Recent gains in market share shows we have a strong product. (yes GEE GEES you should be scared of the Dishlickers)
Knowledge is power, Naturally the main focus has always been the punter & choir who are mostly punters also. We have SKY Racing & so much more for the punter and limited growth focus.
IMO there is no reason why this Code should not be able to eventually have the number 1 Share of all codes in the country. After all it is alot easier to train a Dog from a Backyard than any horse.
WE will always have punters with or without a Greyhound Code as we will always have Politicians who care about VOTES & $$$$.
To counter the ANTIs and possible ignorant public backlash in future we need to get into the Populations PSYCHE and show what a great industry we have and that it is ok to get involved. Hell most people never think about Greys or racing in general. The bigger and stronger our Participation Base at all levels, The larger our economic footprint is in the country & the more people who will be touched by the sport wither directly or indirectly.
If we don't do it already, We should be actively involved with an Education Program Introducing Primary School children to THE BREED (not Racing) & Secondary school kids that hay look we have a huge industry here. Maybe you like to come to us for your Work Experience instead of McDonalds, See what great animals we work with and all aspects of the Sport from Admin/Breeding/Training/Vetenary/Welfare. Anything that can be done to increase active participation within the industry will have a snowball effect. The more participants the more employment options within the industry.
Get people thinking & Talking GREYS not just Racing or the Negative aspects.
Each new active participant brings in dozens of people they know, into some kind of contact with the Code which we may never had otherwise. Imagine the potential impact 1000 more Active Participants would have. Then put another zero on the end of it.As we grow bigger only Then can we Defend our selves and Challenge to be number 1 in the Country.
FREE to AIR Greyhound info Segment is a must. Educating the population is a must.
Needs to be done at a National level IMO funded by a fixed % from the regions to make it fair on all. The us and them mentality isn't good enough & a State implementing it locally because they can afford it is to narrow a scope.
Zak
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 30 Mar 2015 03:44
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There was a race the other day in Dubai...Purse...$10,000,000...
Sires bought for 15/20 MILLION Dollars...
Their NOT scared of any dishlickers...
BUT...
IF Saeed bin Suroor and/or Godolphin ever take up the collar and lead...???
Zak...Should there be 1 governance covering ALL states...same rules and regs, boxes, lure types, fines, etc, etc...???
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Mar 2015 04:07
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All good ideas by participants - however we don't get paid for coming up with or implementing them? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE who get paid big money to promote and govern the sport? What do 'publicity officers' get paid for? How can our boards continue to let anti groups and the RSPCA continue to feed outrageous lies and fantasy stats to the media and just sit back and not even challenge these groups publicly. They should be suing them for slander. It's not good enough - the sport needs and deserves boards with leaders who have the sport at heart and not their undeserved pay packets.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Mar 2015 05:44
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Jack Gatty wrote:
All good ideas by participants - however we don't get paid for coming up with or implementing them? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE who get paid big money to promote and govern the sport? What do 'publicity officers' get paid for? How can our boards continue to let anti groups and the RSPCA continue to feed outrageous lies and fantasy stats to the media and just sit back and not even challenge these groups publicly. They should be suing them for slander. It's not good enough - the sport needs and deserves boards with leaders who have the sport at heart and not their undeserved pay packets.
Its only natural for people to not want to admit their failures, but at a certain point passing the buck becomes a deterrent to productivity in the workplace. On top of being a fruitless discussion, determining whos to blame for setbacks This negative tension further adds a barrier to progress, which adds a taste of irony to a situation that stemmed from poor performance in the first place. With a greater focus on positivity, leadership, and personal responsibility, the environment can achieve a foundation of success. Passing the buck occurs on such a wide scale and so subtly that it may not be as easy to define and recognize when the act takes place right in front of us. Essentially, this act occurs when a failure in the workplace is attributed solely to the acts of another team member. For example, We could have finished the project on time if Janet hadnt made those miscalculations or The meeting would have been much more successful if Jim hadnt shown up late. Each of these statements exemplifies what it means to place blame on another member of the team, rather than working to solve the problem as a collective unit.
Because shifting blame onto others is a natural act, professionals must take on a more active role in both recognizing it and trying to correct their own behavior, as well as the behavior of others in their environment. When a negative thought occurs due to a mistake made at work, try taking personal responsibility instead of placing the blame on others. Although every worker on the team will have different tasks to accomplish, there is always something everyone can be doing to have a more positive and progressive impact on the workplace as whole.
Anthony Jeffress Australia (Verified User) Posts 3669 Dogs 54 / Races 10 30 Mar 2015 05:54
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"Passing the buck" has a closely related half-brother; called "Covering One's Arse" .... Plenty of both prevalent up here in recent weeks it seems .... and more's the pity.
WHY are our so-called leaders in the mode/s referred to above? Well, I'll leave that for each person to decide and answer for themselves.
If one was to 'rate' / score the performance of the decision makers in each state over the past 5 - 6 weeks as if it were a live race, Vic would be leading by a few lengths as they near the home turn; from Nsw, who is a clear but distant 2nd .... then the poor old Qld runner, who it seems has barely having left the starting boxes ...
Gee, what a shame I backed the Maroon-rugged runner ... :-(
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Mar 2015 06:38
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Anthony Jeffress wrote:
"Passing the buck" has a closely related half-brother; called "Covering One's Arse" .... Plenty of both prevalent up here in recent weeks it seems .... and more's the pity.
WHY are our so-called leaders in the mode/s referred to above? Well, I'll leave that for each person to decide and answer for themselves.
If one was to 'rate' / score the performance of the decision makers in each state over the past 5 - 6 weeks as if it were a live race, Vic would be leading by a few lengths as they near the home turn; from Nsw, who is a clear but distant 2nd .... then the poor old Qld runner, who it seems has barely having left the starting boxes ...
Gee, what a shame I backed the Maroon-rugged runner ... :-(
Dead heat on the line Anthony ....GA ..GRV ..GRNSW ...GRQ ......all have failed but the buck keeps getting passed on week after week ...
it's Time to cut the fat Time to stand up and defend ourselves publicly .Facebook .Twitter ..Cable TV ..Main stream TV Time for the CEO to fall on his sword . Time for GA to go .
How many weeks and months should we sit by and watch our Greyhound control boards continue on with this crap .
Why haven't OUR LEADERS AT ... GRV been proactive and sent a clear message to to Anti's who continue to throw out lie's all over the internet .
Passing the buck seems to be the norm and it looks like this will continue .
Why have we not seen hard hitting campaigns in support of GREYHOUND RACING AND IT'S MEMBERS .
To this day we still have greyhound Owners and Trainers who are clearly innocent of any live baiting still living there lives in LIMBO not knowing if there pups and dogs are safe ....
We have innocent members still not knowing if they will be able to train or own greyhounds again and it is these people who are fighting the battle that no one wants to fight and to this day many still have not been informed of any charges or direction for the future from all of the GREYHOUND CONTROL BOARDS ......
This is so WRONG and UN AUSTRALIAN to convict people without proof.....
Zak Brcic Australia (Verified User) Posts 834 Dogs 8 / Races 5 30 Mar 2015 06:49
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Jack Gatty wrote:
All good ideas by participants - however we don't get paid for coming up with or implementing them? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE who get paid big money to promote and govern the sport? What do 'publicity officers' get paid for? How can our boards continue to let anti groups and the RSPCA continue to feed outrageous lies and fantasy stats to the media and just sit back and not even challenge these groups publicly. They should be suing them for slander. It's not good enough - the sport needs and deserves boards with leaders who have the sport at heart and not their undeserved pay packets.
Jack,
As I said above, Historically racing is a reactive organization, not only here but globally. Although our structure here is IMO much more robust than either the US or EU. The big lesson we should take from the US is the impact of the Internet & actions of the likes of Grey2k and others on PUBLIC OPINION.
Without public support none of those Casino operated tracks would be closed nor Greys banned in certain States.
The Sport here will DIE when either public opinion is overwhelming to force the politicians to ban it for VOTES or lack of participant growth to sustain the industry.
No good blaming the powers that be for continuing to operate on a proven behavior set. We don't have anyone to police the media or educate the populace because it wasn't considered Crucial in the past. But is this thread good enough to change peoples thinking or at least get them to have a good hard look.
It's no good changing or becoming defensive once the ground swell has reached critical momentum against. If any or all above suggestions are implemented they can only be a good thing for the future of the code.As the saying goes "need to spend money to make money" Would we be exercising our Care of Duty if we did not do everything in our power to ensure the long term viability of the sport?
Grant,
""Their NOT scared of any dishlickers...
BUT...
IF Saeed bin Suroor and/or Godolphin ever take up the collar and lead...???
Zak...Should there be 1 governance covering ALL states...same rules and regs, boxes, lure types, fines, etc, etc...???""
You missed my point, Each percentage gain for us in the TATTS revenue is a decline for the other 2 codes. All three codes are fighting for every $. As we gain a larger share they must be losing ground, even a single percentage point would be concern to the other codes as it represents millions of wagering dollars they missed out on. I believe the potential for Greys from what I have seen is huge. To grow the industry we need to target people who'd normally never even think about Greys or betting on one. Marketing just for the punter or promotions imo is very limiting.
It is not possible to have one Governing body with all the state legislation's and copyright or property rights etc in place. No state will relinquish control of this Cash Cow.
We can't become like the AFL or NRL, but there are many aspects we could incorporate from those organizations at a National Level. Be it a disciplinary Tribunal so all penalties stay uniform etc. There is so much an organization like this could take on board. Financing Research into injury prevention ie: Hock injuries, is it a genetic thing in certain bloodlines that makes a grey more susceptible to this or track design/surface so on and so on. No individual state should have to pay for this as the results would benefit us ALL. There is so much Scope to improve what we have. Imagine if GA turned around one day and said the first week next month will be a GO SLOW nationally as the company we are dealing with for new TV Rights is treating us like chumps.
A good manager or Leader listens to the people around them.
Firstly you need people to realize change is needed, secondly people with the will/fortitude to see it done.
Long live the GREYHOUND FEDERATION AUSTRALIA. lol
Zak
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Mar 2015 07:01
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That's basically what I said Kevin - why can people on G-data come up with a few ideas/solutions and front foot efforts - when the people who get paid to look after these matters sit round thinking of rules and fees to hit the participants with instead of getting off the comfy office chair and try to take it to the 'welfare' groups that are making up rubbish to keep the donations rolling in under false pretences.
Zak Brcic Australia (Verified User) Posts 834 Dogs 8 / Races 5 30 Mar 2015 07:14
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Anthony Jeffress wrote:
"Passing the buck" has a closely related half-brother; called "Covering One's Arse" .... Plenty of both prevalent up here in recent weeks it seems .... and more's the pity.
WHY are our so-called leaders in the mode/s referred to above? Well, I'll leave that for each person to decide and answer for themselves.
If one was to 'rate' / score the performance of the decision makers in each state over the past 5 - 6 weeks as if it were a live race, Vic would be leading by a few lengths as they near the home turn; from Nsw, who is a clear but distant 2nd .... then the poor old Qld runner, who it seems has barely having left the starting boxes ...
Gee, what a shame I backed the Maroon-rugged runner ... :-(
Human nature mate, can you really blame them? We all have family's to feed especially during a media frenzy.
The mind set needs to change to what is the best for the sport without the US and THEM MENTALITY. The Administrators are here to govern and police the industry & ensure the services needed for the participants are available to continue providing the required product. Neither can survive without the other.
Someone like GA should have the powers and funds to take anyone too account if they bring the Sport into Disrepute. Without teeth you have no power to keep the media or individuals to the facts. As your power grows so does your influence.
Hellen Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 3217 Dogs 6 / Races 26 30 Mar 2015 07:25
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GRV has a post on yahoo apologizing for the live baiting scandal.Apart from giving anyone involved the penalty they deserve, what else can they do? You might think you can help out on facebook etc but you more than likely would make things worse. You more so Kevin. Cheers.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Mar 2015 07:37
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Zac - you make some very sound common sense observations on the industry. You say GA would have the resources to make media and groups accountable for bringing the sport into disrepute - but do you know Why they are not exercising that power to defend the industry? I know I'm perplexed.
Hellen Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 3217 Dogs 6 / Races 26 30 Mar 2015 08:13
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No Jack, Zac said "should" you wrote "would" . Just to clear that up. And as for why are we removed from "the girls on track promotion" anyone consider that the Lady decided herself not to do it with all the bad publicity around. Of course that might not be correct, as Zac pointed out his post on that comment might not be. Cheers.
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 987 Dogs 16 / Races 44 30 Mar 2015 08:32
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Hellen Jackson wrote:
No Jack, Zac said "should" you wrote "would" . Just to clear that up. And as for why are we removed from "the girls on track promotion" anyone consider that the Lady decided herself not to do it with all the bad publicity around. Of course that might not be correct, as Zac pointed out his post on that comment might not be. Cheers.
I can assure you that is not correct.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Mar 2015 08:41
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Hellen Jackson wrote:
GRV has a post on yahoo apologizing for the live baiting scandal.Apart from giving anyone involved the penalty they deserve, what else can they do? You might think you can help out on facebook etc but you more than likely would make things worse. You more so Kevin. Cheers.
Hellen you have no idea at all . I take your constant trolling as a sign of ignorance so I guess its not your fault .
Why do you even bother posting comments on any of these threads when all you do is hang crap on the trainers and owners caught up in this saga .
Now the GRV COME OUT and say something on Yahoo and you make a big song and dance about it WOOPPYY DOOOO ... The GRV are responsible for its Victorian members and the last time I looked you still lived in SA ...
The GRV said from the very start for its members to shut up and keep quiet and say nothing but we see how well this has worked and without the support of Greyhound participants on Facebook and twitter defending our great sport then we would of been sitting targets for the ANTI'S ........
I along with many other greyhound lovers are still supporting the industry through Facebook and Twitter and on all of the ANTI GREYHOUND forums .......
The ties of greyhound people is strong but our own greyhound control boards have LET US DOWN week after week month after month ....
Hellen Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 3217 Dogs 6 / Races 26 30 Mar 2015 17:50
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Thank you for proving my point Kevin. You stated "The GRV are responsible for its Victorian members and the last time I looked you still lived in SA". Am I not a Victorian member if my dogs are whelped reared broken in and also race in Victoria, am I not a member if GRV have issued me with a breeders licence and owners licence. Yes I also hold the same for SA, but I am yet to race or rear a pup here. As for Yahoo and face book, I would rather leave it to those that had the intelligence, so please don't post anymore Kevin.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Mar 2015 20:34
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Hellen Jackson wrote:
Thank you for proving my point Kevin. You stated "The GRV are responsible for its Victorian members and the last time I looked you still lived in SA". Am I not a Victorian member if my dogs are whelped reared broken in and also race in Victoria, am I not a member if GRV have issued me with a breeders licence and owners licence. Yes I also hold the same for SA, but I am yet to race or rear a pup here. As for Yahoo and face book, I would rather leave it to those that had the intelligence, so please don't post anymore Kevin.
intelligence ... YOU SAY You Knowledge and experience.... ADDS NOTHING AT ALL TO ANY THREAD OR POST
If you have nothing to add to these threads then why do you even bother posting at al
You along with a few others just sit back waiting to take pot shots at people and your opinions are based of that of a OWNER WITH 5 YEARS EXPERIENCE .... You know none of the people affected in the Live baiting saga ....but you seem to be the one saying lets hangem ..... Your lack of understanding of anything greyhound related clearly shows in your POSTS .
You say I lack intelligence but you better have a good look in the mirror .
Zak Brcic Australia (Verified User) Posts 834 Dogs 8 / Races 5 30 Mar 2015 22:46
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Hellen Jackson wrote:
GRV has a post on yahoo apologizing for the live baiting scandal.Apart from giving anyone involved the penalty they deserve, what else can they do? You might think you can help out on facebook etc but you more than likely would make things worse. You more so Kevin. Cheers.
Image if this had been the one Voice approach for the entire industry.
Greyhound Racing Victoria (GRV) Chairman Ray Gunston has spoken for the first time since his appointment and expressed the organisations deep regret that live-baiting activities had been missed by the regulator.
The fact of the matter is that this totally unacceptable behaviour of live-baiting was happening, and we missed it. For that we are sorry
There have been many reasons raised why this might have happened, but irrespective of their validity or not there can be no excuses for allowing an environment where this occurred and went undetected.
We say sorry to those in the industry that do the right thing and have had their names dragged through the mud. We let them down. We also say sorry to families who have adopted beautiful greyhounds and have been abused in the streets, and we say sorry to everyone who saw that shocking footage.
Everything we do from here will be about ensuring we are able to detect such behaviours and act quickly to eradicate them.
Mr Gunston said the road ahead would be difficult for the new board but they were looking to move the industry forward, informed by past mistakes, and the need to institute cultural and behavioural change was paramount.
There will be no action that is off-limits in examining and rectifying how GRV did not detect and eradicate such behaviours. Additionally, we will improve our enforcement, education and regulation activities to ensure all in the industry can be assured that such behaviours will not be tolerated, and hopefully not even contemplated.
The recommendations emanating from the Racing Integrity Commissioners interim-report have been accepted by GRV and Mr Gunston has reinforced that they are working closely with the RSPCA, RIC and Chief Veterinary Officer to advance their investigations.
We fully accept all the recommendations made by Sal Perna in his interim report. GRV has met a number of times with the Office of Racing to discuss legislative changes to the Racing Act that would enable greater investigative powers and improved enforcement of rules.
A number of rule changes have already been implemented and more will flow from legislative changes. A thorough review of the industrys 13,000 registered participants is underway to identify their roles in the rearing and education of greyhounds. This will give as a clearer understanding of how best to develop a regulatory framework for all participants involved in the development of the greyhounds. Our objective is to have all greyhounds under the care of a registered participant at all times during their lifecycle, unless retired as a pet.
We have met with the RSPCA and extended an invitation to Animals Australia to meet and discuss their ideas and suggestions. We would welcome any agreement with these groups that helps us detect animal cruelty in our industry.
GRV is currently undertaking its own inquiry into the suspended persons having opened a Notice of Inquiry into each of them and providing an opportunity for all suspended persons to view the evidence from the Tooradin Trial Track and cooperate with the investigation. These Inquiries are scheduled to run until early April after which time charges will be considered.
GRV Stewards are working hard to prepare the best case they can against the suspended persons in addition to assisting the RSPCA with the development of their criminal case. These are vitally important cases for the future of the industry and no stone will be left unturned in the course of the investigation.
While only newly appointed Mr Gunston felt confident that the board has the experience and credentials to institute positive change in the greyhound racing industry.
Ken Lay has extensive change management experience and success in restoring public trust in authorities. Judith Bornstein has experience with industrial relations matters in the greyhound racing industry and tremendous legal expertise. Combined with my broad background and our extensive governance experience we look forward to ensuring that GRV and the greyhound industry come out of this situation with a much better culture and future.
A great commonsense measured response especially pleasing is they included the adoptive families.
No QLD you can't have him, appears to be another keeper