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Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 03 Sep 2015 05:59
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Can anybody confirm that the dogs which trial are subject to being swabbed? It does say normal race conditions do apply, so therefore I would expect swabs also but would like to know.
Michael Floyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 803 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Sep 2015 07:51
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Yes they are.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 03 Sep 2015 08:17
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grant thomas wrote:
STEVE BENNIE wrote:
adam hatcher wrote:
Greyhound NSW have some great ideas as well.
That would be a first ?
Match races if my memory serves me correctly, were held at Wenty not so many yrs. ago...can't remember when...
Was I wrong...??? Can't find a reference for it...someone must know...
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Sep 2015 10:55
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grant thomas wrote:
grant thomas wrote:
STEVE BENNIE wrote:
adam hatcher wrote:
Greyhound NSW have some great ideas as well.
That would be a first ?
Match races if my memory serves me correctly, were held at Wenty not so many yrs. ago...can't remember when...
Was I wrong...??? Can't find a reference for it...someone must know...
Not sure if I'm on the same page as u Grant but I'm taking it that you want 2 be confirmed in your post as remembering if W.P held any match races not 2 far in the past. Well if that is what your mind 2 be refreshed up on well I can confirm this much. There were 4 match race events held at W.P during the early 90's I went & witnessed 1st hand. The 1st race was N.S.W G.O.T.Y bitch Jessica Casey up against the at the time current W.P "king" Warrens Flyer who soundly beat her by a coupla lengths. The 2nd race was the undisputed OZ No.1 champion bitch Flying Amy take on local W.P champs Gallant Ruler , Tap Dance & VIC superdog On The Payroll & she just brained em & gave em a galloping lesson on sheer speed from box 2 post with a leg in the air ! The next match race I saw there was VIC K9 Great Wish who swamped over Faithful Hawk & Mint Magic in the last 25mts 2 win - a bit of a surprise result was the consensus at the time. The last match race there 2 my knowledge was W.P "king" Major Gossip up against the current at the time W.P track record holding W.P "queen" Iceni Princess who the Major beat fair & square which also had the crowd stunned as well. I can say with all honesty on these particular nights the crowd attendances at W.P was 100 times on what the regular race nights showed up. This idea/concept now being inplimented in VIC is a sure fire winner 2 in my opinion bring people back 2 the K9 tracks more often + try 2 aim 2 cater 4 the younger generations who love the races + have plenty of disposable incomes. EVERY state should try 2 also resurrect this great concept as it HAS worked from what I've witnessed 2 bring in people 2 watch the best K9's duke it out amongst each other. Tip my hat 2 the individuals in VIC who have made this alive again. Congrats... P.s : Is that what you were wondering about Grant ? If not I have just bored everybody 2 tears with my post. Ha Ha Ha. Sorry.
Beaumont Park also used to run them. Can't remember the result however I remember one of my favourites in Under Thunder taking part in one trained by Dennis Reid.
It was a long time ago though.
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Sep 2015 11:28
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Brad Ellis wrote:
Beaumont Park also used to run them. Can't remember the result however I remember one of my favourites in Under Thunder taking part in one trained by Dennis Reid.
It was a long time ago though.
Yes Brad. I saw Credibility beat Jessica Casey , South Road Sid & Silver Cassie in a 4 K9 match race at Beaumont Park way back in the early 90's. The joint was that packed I had 2 scale up the side of the grandstand & hang off the side of it just 2 watch that quartet race ! TRUE ! The other race with Mr.D.Reid's speed demon Under Thunder was when he bolted in at Beaumont Park 1 night was when he won the final of the Winfield Cup I think the name of that series was Brad but I could be wrong but I clearly recall being there when the Thunder roared ! Regards m8...
Beaumont Park also used to run them. Can't remember the result however I remember one of my favourites in Under Thunder taking part in one trained by Dennis Reid.
It was a long time ago though.
Yes Brad. I saw Credibility beat Jessica Casey , South Road Sid & Silver Cassie in a 4 K9 match race at Beaumont Park way back in the early 90's. The joint was that packed I had 2 scale up the side of the grandstand & hang off the side of it just 2 watch that quartet race ! TRUE ! The other race with Mr.D.Reid's speed demon Under Thunder was when he bolted in at Beaumont Park 1 night was when he won the final of the Winfield Cup I think the name of that series was Brad but I could be wrong but I clearly recall being there when the Thunder roared ! Regards m8...
Ahh ok that's what the race was. Thanks Steve.
Let's face it match racing captures the imagination.
The Beaumont Park race was the Winfield Challenge and was for 6 dogs... and you are correct Steve the first running saw Credibility beat Jessica Casey a head with South Road Sid a further head away in 3rd. There weren't many Winfield Challenges run with the track closing. The Silver Bullet was the other feature sprint there and I think Under Thunder won that. They used to also run 280m time trial series there. Singleton had the Showdown - best 8 drawn into 4 x 2 dog match races with the 4 winners into the final... the 1st of this race launched the career of Mint Mojo from memory.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 03 Sep 2015 21:03
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Personally I don't like the idea ...
In Australia we worry about how fast the track is so our dogs can run even faster ..
I would prefer to see our money spent on further Track safety and design with the intent to make our dogs race for longer ..
Our Greyhounds are lucky to have 50 starts in there life time WHY do we continue to go down the road of speed tracks when the evidence is there for everyone to see.
We talk about animal welfare but our leaders continue to push us into this same direction without even one consideration for safety.
Australia has the worst statistics for LONGEVITY ....Our wastage as they say comes from GREYHOUNDS breaking down .....Just a reminder we have our busiest time ahead for track related injury's over summer ...HOCK SEASON
In Australia we worry about how fast the track is so our dogs can run even faster ..
I would prefer to see our money spent on further Track safety and design with the intent to make our dogs race for longer ..
Our Greyhounds are lucky to have 50 starts in there life time WHY do we continue to go down the road of speed tracks when the evidence is there for everyone to see.
We talk about animal welfare but our leaders continue to push us into this same direction without even one consideration for safety.
Australia has the worst statistics for LONGEVITY ....Our wastage as they say comes from GREYHOUNDS breaking down .....Just a reminder we have our busiest time ahead for track related injury's over summer ...HOCK SEASON
Kevin,
Dogs breaking down has nothing to do with match races, in fact the opposite as it would be safe to argue there should be less interference suffered in a 2 dog field hence less likelihood for injury.
No one has mentioned the excitement of speed track or times, simply the one on one aspect of safe match racing.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 03 Sep 2015 22:42
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Brad Ellis wrote:
kevin wright wrote:
Personally I don't like the idea ...
In Australia we worry about how fast the track is so our dogs can run even faster ..
I would prefer to see our money spent on further Track safety and design with the intent to make our dogs race for longer ..
Our Greyhounds are lucky to have 50 starts in there life time WHY do we continue to go down the road of speed tracks when the evidence is there for everyone to see.
We talk about animal welfare but our leaders continue to push us into this same direction without even one consideration for safety.
Australia has the worst statistics for LONGEVITY ....Our wastage as they say comes from GREYHOUNDS breaking down .....Just a reminder we have our busiest time ahead for track related injury's over summer ...HOCK SEASON
Kevin,
Dogs breaking down has nothing to do with match races, in fact the opposite as it would be safe to argue there should be less interference suffered in a 2 dog field hence less likelihood for injury.
No one has mentioned the excitement of speed track or times, simply the one on one aspect of safe match racing.
Brad so this fascination with speed times and match racing interest you and a few others but as a trainer IMO i think this kind of racing serves no purpose at all .
Every year we have peppered up tracks to suit speed and in the best interest of racing i believe now more than ever we should be talking about slowing tracks down and this will have a significant flow on effect for YOUNG DOGS and for our Older greyhounds and no one can tell me SPEED TRACKS are the way of the future .
Wouldn't it be great for the Animal Activists and our own image if we tried in the future to address the Longevity OF THE RACING GREYHOUND IN AUSTRALIA .
SPEED TRACKS AND SPEED DOGS have only one result in the end and that is broken down before the age of two and half ..
Lets go over the last 5 years in Victoria and see how many of these super fast speed dogs go on to race over 100 starts ......
.I think if we promote longevity in our racing in Australia then we will all be better served in the long run and wouldn't it be great to see 5 year old greyhounds racing well into there 150 start range rather than seeing a track record on some track going off every week over Australia and this seems to be the norm these days ....
A cynical view might be that Sandown have attempted to manipulate the racing schedule of Fernando Bale so that he can exceed the $1m stake money at this venue. It would provide good publicity and marketing material. But we know they wouldn't do that
Michael Floyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 803 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Sep 2015 00:29
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hayden gilders wrote:
A cynical view might be that Sandown have attempted to manipulate the racing schedule of Fernando Bale so that he can exceed the $1m stake money at this venue. It would provide good publicity and marketing material. But we know they wouldn't do that
I'm sure a cynic could think that... had planning for the series not started months ago. And even if Fernando Bale goes on to win his Traralgon Cup heat and final, then wins his match records the fastest time... he'd still be over $50k short of the million mark.
Re preparing the track - the track won't be 'juiced' up to make the dogs seem faster than they are. The same policy applies as always - safe and consistent.
A cynical view might be that Sandown have attempted to manipulate the racing schedule of Fernando Bale so that he can exceed the $1m stake money at this venue. It would provide good publicity and marketing material. But we know they wouldn't do that
I'm sure a cynic could think that... had planning for the series not started months ago. And even if Fernando Bale goes on to win his Traralgon Cup heat and final, then wins his match records the fastest time... he'd still be over $50k short of the million mark.
Re preparing the track - the track won't be 'juiced' up to make the dogs seem faster than they are. The same policy applies as always - safe and consistent.
Michael while your talking Re Sandown Training Venue article where you have been quoted as saying "it would help participants be more open and accountable" would there be a suggestion that other facilities such as Dailys, Bulls, Mcmahons, Collins et al are more likely to run foul of the rules than your employees?
Also in last weeks dog paper your clubs generosity was noted. Does this community support include the poker machine legislated community distribution or are these amounts above and beyond that.
If its the latter well done
Michael Floyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 803 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Sep 2015 01:52
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Above and beyond, and on top of existing sponsorships and donations to organisations including the PCFA, Southern Footy League and Dandy District Cricket Association among others.
No suggestion of any wrong doing at any of those venues, simply that if Sandown was available for more training then trainers may be able to go about their business without having to worry about other looking into their business.
Above and beyond, and on top of existing sponsorships and donations to organisations including the PCFA, Southern Footy League and Dandy District Cricket Association among others.
No suggestion of any wrong doing at any of those venues, simply that if Sandown was available for more training then trainers may be able to go about their business without having to worry about other looking into their business.
I like the idea of match racing, but is there a shortage of Group races? Considering The Meadows & Sandown Provincial struggle to get enough nominations on a weekly basis, could it be better served to use this style of racing to fill race meeting slots such as these and try to encourage people back to the city?
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 04 Sep 2015 03:14
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Don't think theres any dog in the country that could win a match race with dyna double one.His run at Angle was an amazing display of chase,speed and balance.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 04 Sep 2015 03:31
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Michael Floyd wrote:
hayden gilders wrote:
A cynical view might be that Sandown have attempted to manipulate the racing schedule of Fernando Bale so that he can exceed the $1m stake money at this venue. It would provide good publicity and marketing material. But we know they wouldn't do that
I'm sure a cynic could think that... had planning for the series not started months ago. And even if Fernando Bale goes on to win his Traralgon Cup heat and final, then wins his match records the fastest time... he'd still be over $50k short of the million mark.
Re preparing the track - the track won't be 'juiced' up to make the dogs seem faster than they are. The same policy applies as always - safe and consistent.
Interesting you say that Michael ..SAFE AND CONSISTENT ....Who holds the record for the most wins at Sandown ...I know do you ...When was the last time any dog had 23 wins at Sandown .....
What I am getting at is how many top FFA greyhounds race over 100 starts and these dogs only race a majority of the time at the two city tracks Sandown and The Meadows .....what's wrong with slowing down the tracks so dogs can extend there racing careers ...... I have the facts but you along with others feel this is unimportant for some kind of reason .
Slow the tracks down and it will have a flow on effect on so many levels and it will help every trainer with helping to keep younger dogs injury free ....
I would say this is a 100% animal welfare issue that still seems to get brushed under the carpet all the time . The FACTS ARE FACTS and no matter what spin you put on it ..
Australia has the worst record of starts by any Greyhound compared to other recognised greyhound racing Country...... WHY do you think this is so Michael Floyd...Give me one answer
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