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More pressure on the breeders - pups at 12 weeks to be ear marked and micro chipped cost 7 per pup that is not all, you do not get the naming papers as were the case when they were just earmarked - oh no - just a slip of paper which has to go to the ICC then you get charged yet again 15 per pup total 32 per pup. Also All dogs have to be micro chipped by the end of March 2016 regardless of their breed. Maybe could get the micro chip done cheaper at the vets or even an animal charity might be beneficial to the animal charities to do this - would sooner my money went to them.
yes Carole its an absolute rip of the ICC seem to be using the Microchipping regulation to Generate revenue.
the cost I believe is 7 euro per pup when pup is ear marked and chipped then you have 100 days to send forms in and pay another 15 euro per pup. you still have to pay more when you go to name the dog.
Its strange that the ICC are going to become the Regulator will they also now take over the regulation of dog licence and check that water rates etc are been paid ?
John Brennan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1252 Dogs 21 / Races 0 08 Oct 2015 12:24
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paddy you dont have a 100 days after the dogs are chipped you have 120 days from the day the pups were born so on average you have about 30/40 days to send away that form if the pups are earmarked/chipped with the 15e
The person who does the microchipping has to have been on a 3 day course recognized by one of the 4 data bases also has to have passed the course and has to be insured. Incidentally the ICC data base has only become recognized as of yesterday. At the present moment nobody seems to have a clear picture as to what is happening only that every dog in the country has to be microchipped by the end of March 2016. Talk about Big Brother is watching - what next will we have to be microchipped lol.
Chris Houlding United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 929 Dogs 10 / Races 3 08 Oct 2015 13:37
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EXTERNAL LINK I don't think its a 'lol' Carole. Watch this link and do some of your own research and you might or might not be surprised.
Patrick Kilduff Ireland (Verified User) Posts 996 Dogs 28 / Races 4 08 Oct 2015 14:09
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Carole can I ask where you got the figure of 32 per pup??? Also the 15 you speak of is to get the chip activated,The ICC get nothing of this activation fee. ..
Paddy, the ICC have set up their own data base and will get all of the 15 euro, they also will micro chip all other breeds and keep them on the data base. How much of this will be passed on to the igb/. Its 15 euro to chip a mature greyhound, no other cost to activate chip. But its different for pups. Something not right here, incentive for breeders, where. This will only drive more out of the game.
Tk John for pointing out my mistake with the 100 days. I have not had to chip pups yet though I am due pups in the next few weeks.
can those in the know educate me re passport do I have to go to vet for that ?. I have a feeling I do need the vet for the passport so the standard fee for a vet visit + the 22 euro chip and register seems like unsustainable cost for breeders
As I said earlier the ICC have no need to chip they are not the regulator the onus is on the owner of the pup.
John Brennan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1252 Dogs 21 / Races 0 08 Oct 2015 17:49
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paddy you will only need the passport if the pup is going to be traveling abroad and yes that means a trip to the vet
Maurice Mullaney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 376 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Oct 2015 18:15
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It is not COMPULSEARY to get any ICC stewart to microchip your dog. Also, owners should receive their papers ON THE DAY pups are marked like we have been doing for the last 50 + years.
John Tierney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 169 Dogs 7 / Races 0 08 Oct 2015 18:30
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would a porta mag wipe a microchip..dont know..heard stronh magnetic fields can
Maurice Mullaney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 376 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Oct 2015 18:44
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Not sure John, But Icc will Wipe out our pockets if we let them!!
John Brennan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1252 Dogs 21 / Races 0 08 Oct 2015 18:53
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they already have maurice as the nameing of a pup is also going up from 16e to 20e
Maurice Mullaney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 376 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Oct 2015 19:07
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Time now for Icc to stick to Coursing dogs only,and leave Track dogs to IGB.
The ICC Ceo salary is HUGE. Does anyone know how much the expenses he gets from attending meetings comes to?.
This is the same CEO who has registered ILL legal dogs& bitches for the last 5 years!.
Are we really going to let him take charge of a database?!!
Maurice the only way you will get your pups naming papers if they are already microchipped before there are ear marked hence by a vet or by a rehoming charity, you also get a certificate for each pup with its micro number - this was told to me today by the ICC and I checked with the Agriculture dept which also confirmed this. The ICC data base became official as of yesterday. There are 4 data bases ICC, Irish Kennel Club, Fido and sorry can't remember the other. Also there are 4 UK firms supplying the micro chips and the chips have to tie up with the scanner which also could lead to a problem, which I believe happened at Newcastle Greyhound Track.
you should be allowed name pup and all in the one go for 15e unless they are driving people out of the game. 15plus7 is 22e before you parvo vaccinate or have to feed them to twelve wks old absolute joke the making of the people of the game in my opinion.
Kevin Lindsay United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1420 Dogs 10 / Races 7 09 Oct 2015 05:41
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Carole Shinkwin wrote:
Maurice the only way you will get your pups naming papers if they are already microchipped before there are ear marked hence by a vet or by a rehoming charity, you also get a certificate for each pup with its micro number - this was told to me today by the ICC and I checked with the Agriculture dept which also confirmed this. The ICC data base became official as of yesterday. There are 4 data bases ICC, Irish Kennel Club, Fido and sorry can't remember the other. Also there are 4 UK firms supplying the micro chips and the chips have to tie up with the scanner which also could lead to a problem, which I believe happened at Newcastle Greyhound Track.
I had a litter born on 01/06 this year and the ICC guidance stated that they had to be microchipped. As the local steward hadn't been on the training course I had to get them 'chipped' by my vet. They are registered with Fido and a Certificate is required from Fido to submit with the Naming Form the steward issued when they were earmarked. You can get your pups microchipped independently of the ICC but you have to provide a Certificate to prove they have been 'chipped'. Irish law now forbids any breeder from selling pups without them being microchipped.
Tom O Connor Ireland (Verified User) Posts 107 Dogs 31 / Races 1 09 Oct 2015 10:00
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The facts people need to remember that it is a law brought in by the government that all dogs need to be microchipped. Its not something the ICC or the IGB wanted, but it is forced upon all breeders of all types of dogs. ( one could argue, that as greyhounds were already ear marked and were identifiable, they should have not have been forced into the scheme. I think the IGB lobbied the powers that be in this regard but to no avail. If you have a problem with it, bring it up with your local politician, not the IGB/ICC.)
Secondly, the ICC's rates for doing the micro chipping is far more cost effective than getting a vet to do it.
While it adds 22/pup (7 to install microchip, and 15 to register the microchip on ICC databsae) to the cost of getting a puppy registered, I think this is nothing compared to the scandal of poor prices being paid for pups and graders and being accepted by breeders. Thats a topic for another day. Note the 15 registration can be borne by the new owner of the pup, if the pup is sold to the new owner between being marked and microchipped at 12weeks(84days after whelping) and 120 days after whelping. He/she can send of the application to register the microchip form with the Fee instead of the breeder.
If the breeder still has the pups coming up to 120 days after whelping, he will be forced to fork out the 15/pup.
The microchipping is a european law all dogs in europe have to be microchipped by the end of March 2016, but also remember people that do not have dog licences will fall foul of this law as the councils will be able to check the data bases.
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