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Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 06 Dec 2015 07:26
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John, Please don't misrepresent or misconstrue what I have written. I expect tracks to close. I do not think the challenge against the ICA was an abject failure as it exposed everything and showed how political parties and participants responded under pressure. Only one political party continues to support us and I am more the wiser for the process. I'd like to see a slow and easy approach and I really don't think we all know the consequences if there were wholesale changes. . Btw, my preference is Hub and Spoke Venues. We are not Victoria n we don't have their money. .
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 06 Dec 2015 11:21
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Mark Gag was a total disaster it should never have happened I am not blaming them completely but they could have been more consiliatory when they were trying to do business.Victoria modernised their thinking they closed their Country tracks and rationalised NSW can do exactly the same the days of having meetings for the local bloke is gone and NSW knows that.Look at the far North Coast they have 3 TAB tracks in under 2 hrs apart another 3 here in the Hunter and Central Coast again well under 2 hrs apart and 5 of those 6 tracks race once a week any one of those 6 sand tracks could cater for all those meetings that are run in both areas so from where I sit this state could blossom if the job is done right we must move away from these Welfare Issue tracks like The Gardens Casino Lismore Gosford it's no good trying to modify tracks with 50m Radius's we must move away from corner starts and narrow tracks and try to get 380m top of the back straight starts.I took notice when they clsed the Gold Coast track the pople in Qld have been screaming out ever since for another 1 turn track
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 06 Dec 2015 19:18
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You keep on wanting the Victorian Model when there are major differences. We are being dudded 7% every year by the ICA, Trackside and now the Tax Harmonisation Bill. We are three times the size of Victoria n I think we are twice the population. We might be able to use it as a guide, but don't be fooled by the pollies.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 06 Dec 2015 22:23
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Mark the Intercode Agreement was finished the day it was signed all those years ago we have no legs to stand on it's been put to sleep by the fools of yeateryear and who knows with the way that things were it may have been a good deal back then move forward old son.Now you tell me what is wrong with rationalisation especially in this climate we are in now and Victoria wouldn't be a bad way to go seeing how successful they are going.We have big problems in this State we have more Non-TAB tracks as we do TAB tracks yes we are full of deadwood in this State and nothing is going to change in the near future and that's for sure. Mark seeing you're pushing this cart pretty hard how about you telling me what you would do in this State you seem to want to shoot me down some and please don't say getgrant or whatever our pretty boy Premiers name is to change the Intercode he won't do that dead issue Talk about what you would do with Welfare and Grading stuff like that it would be nice to know someone elses thoughts this thread seems to have struck a very dead patch
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 06 Dec 2015 23:23
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John, Again, you misrepresent what I have written. I have written many, many ways to improve the industry just like most of us. I further told you recently that I like the 'Hub and Spoke Venues' Model. Aren't you reading properly ? Some of your arguments or ideas don't stack up, but at least you've presented them here n I hope to GRNSW.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 07 Dec 2015 02:53
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I haven't read anything about the Hub and Spoke Venues so explain please personally I don't think you know which way you are going the way things look to me is Country need TAB they can't have that under the present system all tracks so let's get that right now they can have TAB Racing and Coverage if things are Rationalised which means closing tracks.Welfare is another thing the tracks of today in the Country are the old 50m Radius full Circle type again too small with the Welfare issue we have now 400m Bend starts are just not on and if you want me to keep going We don't at present cater for all types of dogs and services we need grass and Straight tracks Blind Freddy can see that ...it's no good spending 2 and sixpence when you need 5 Bob to do the job...now how about giving me something Mark all you can say I am misrepresenting what is it I am not getting right where did this Hub and Spokes System come into play to me that sounds like a Velodrome and we have plenty of them we need no more ...we do want to get more dogs racing do mwe not
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 07 Dec 2015 03:28
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John, You haven't read the Discusion Paper, have you ? Did you submit a reply to GRNSW ? . We changed to metric with dollars and cents in 1966 yet you have the mentality to suggest that I live in the past ! The ICA is still a live document. Seriously, are you okay ? Do you homework, Johnny and Be Good.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 07 Dec 2015 04:10
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Mark you're full of yourself your like everyone else out there you can't even fathom an answer less give one this group you are pinning the old hopes on Mark wouldn't come up with this crap if they had the answers ...tell me how many Country tracks did you say should close see I am far from the old 50's times it's the Gbots and people like yourself that are stuck in the mud like an old cow
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 07 Dec 2015 05:28
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I've been waiting for it since the first page. I don't know why you bother.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 07 Dec 2015 05:51
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Mark you want to shoot me down well do it with some of your answers
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 10 Dec 2015 22:23
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I copied the link from thedogs.com.au website. . Here's another chance.
Todd Smith Australia (Verified User) Posts 390 Dogs 14 / Races 3 10 Dec 2015 23:17
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tracks will close and people will have to travel that will just be a fact somehow they have to lift industry out of the 70.s through the 80's past the 90's and some how get into the 2000's!
I think youll find that GRNSW will be scaling back races to the contracted 500 meetings a year.
any money from the other 400 plus meetings will be put into welfare + integrity issues.
theres no chance that we will get any extra money for prixemoney due to recent happenings.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 11 Dec 2015 00:57
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Mark Donohue wrote:
I copied the link from thedogs.com.au website. . Here's another chance.
If we want to be heard and consulted I think as many people as possible should take time to respond to these papers. It is a good opportunity to express the positive and supportive role greyhound racing provides the community and participants and the really good things about the sport.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 11 Dec 2015 01:14
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Yes Jack. We can be positive just as much as we can be negative. If they don't get a balanced view well, they can only act on what they have in front of them. The first Inquiry did mention how greyhound racing in smaller communities was part of the social fabric.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 11 Dec 2015 13:23
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todd smith wrote:
tracks will close and people will have to travel that will just be a fact somehow they have to lift industry out of the 70.s through the 80's past the 90's and some how get into the 2000's!
I think youll find that GRNSW will be scaling back races to the contracted 500 meetings a year.
any money from the other 400 plus meetings will be put into welfare + integrity issues.
theres no chance that we will get any extra money for prixemoney due to recent happenings.
Todd...can you see just a few of the 'BIG' kennels supplying the majority of starters(so winning even more of the $$$'s that's to go around) at these rationalised tracks...???
Allen Hansen Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 6 / Races 0 11 Dec 2015 20:13
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I can see the number of tracks reduced but utilized more often, the number of meetings reduced to cater for declining number of dogs racing but perhaps running more races per meeting, just apply some maths, hopefully the prizemoney pool doesn't get savaged. The time has come for race clubs to step up and become more professional, they will have to find a way to top up prizemoney to encourage trainers to race at their tracks, travel is part of the game, at least when decisions are finally made trainers can choose how they want to participate in this industry, it doesn't have to be doom and gloom
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 13 Dec 2015 19:57
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Allen maybe this is the way to go instead of investing in dogs and training them maybe some of us should get into this I dare say we would be more people friendly and I'm sure we know more that the Antis do especially when it comes to intergrating Geyhounds with other animals EXTERNAL LINK 1st up though we have to do this EXTERNAL LINK because the antis don't know how to live amongst the people in the real world I think the authorities might be running into a little trouble
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 13 Dec 2015 20:09
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Like how can one be on the same level with the Welfare of the greyhound which is GRNSW in this case and they are truly trying to sort this issue out but the RSPCA who they are in bed with are the worst group for asking for handouts and putting dogs down their National Tally is 14+% while the kill rate for the RSPCA in NSW is near double that 27%+....ummm hullo Yogi Bear and BooBoo are you sure your Mr Ranger was squeaky clean
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 13 Dec 2015 21:59
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Yes John the witch hunt on us is SO hypocritical. The RSPCA, pounds, Vets, so called rescue shelters and back yard hatchet jobs is a reflection of the COMMUNITY - The so called 'Community' who we are meant to meet their expectations. I've said before I would be extremely surprised if the % of greyhounds euthanized was anywhere near as bad as the 'Community' - whose expectations we are meant to meet. I say God help us if we are anyway near the general public's rate of dog euthanasia. On a side note - I worked at the RSPCA Yagoona shelter and saw the euthanasia and was asked to give the dogs the needle - no training, no qualifications, just the bloke who was doing it telling me how he does it and watching while you did a few, then you were passed to put dogs down. I quit the next week.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 13 Dec 2015 22:27
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